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The Beatles: All These Years by Mark Lewisohn. Tune In - What do you think? (Spoilers alert!)
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I started re-reading the Extended last night, paying more attention to the notes this time around, and I've found something that's either a mistake, or else I'm not understanding something.

On page 20 (for those who have it) there is a list of the children born to John's paternal grandparents. The third of those children Lewisohn names as John Arthur Lennon (their first child who'd died two years earlier was also called John), the seventh child Lewisohn names as Leonard Joseph Lennon. Lewisohn attaches a note to Leonard Joseph, which begins: "This was their only child to be given two first names..."

What about John Arthur? It doesn't appear to be a misprint as the same name is given for both mentions of the boy (birth and death).

Anybody any thoughts? @Joe?

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I hadn't noticed. Sounds like an error to me. I'd have to check my copy.

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29 October 2014
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@Zig The question it throws up is which is the error - the name John Arthur or Lewisohn's note on Leonard Joseph? It's such a small detail in Lennon's geneology, but it's annoying.

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I have had a response from Mr. Lewisohn himself. I tweeted him about it this morning and he responded!

It is an error. We all make them.

Very gracious I thought. I wasn't really expecting him to reply. Unfortunately he didn't say which was the error, John Arthur or the note. I'm assuming the note is the error, but have tweeted again asking. If I get a clarification I will let you know.

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Stop pestering the man @Ron Nasty . a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

It's bad enough that the next two volumes of his trilogy are eons away. If he has to keep responding to your tweets, we will never see them!

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Maybe my resolution for the year should be to read this (the extended edition). I have it sitting there but the one time i was about to read it was when i was away elsewhere and i found i had brought book 2. Yet i have just started reading 'The Unreleased Beatles: Music and Film'.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

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As a long-time Beatles fan (1979 and counting), I would urge you to immerse yourself in the Extended edition. The story of their ancestors would make a film in itself. As a Merseysider myself, the chapters dealing with the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s are full of Scouse colour. You get a real sense of the world in which they grew up and it's vital to understanding who they were. It's worth the time and effort and you will go back to it frequently.

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I've started reading this book, only 16 months after it was published.

Am up to George's materal side of the family line.

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I like being able to spot things that come later plus the little jokes Mark puts into the text. Gotta be honest and say if this wasn't a Beatles book i woudnt be reading such history but its cool as i know the Beatles are coming.

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meanmistermustard said

I've started reading this book, only 16 months after it was published.

Am up to George's maternal side of the family line.

Gotta be honest and say if this wasn't a Beatles book i woudnt be reading such history but its cool as i know the Beatles are coming.

Their backgrounds fascinate me to no end.

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Zig said

Their backgrounds fascinate me to no end.

Agreed.  Reading it all again.

“Send John out first; he’s the one they want.”

~ someone said it, dammit.

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This might have spoilers, so I posted here!

I wonder if there will be appendices in the third volume. Kind of like in the Lord of the Rings for a bit more detail that wouldn't fit into words very well.  It would be cool to have a summarizing section of the details so they would stand out a bit more than in paragraph form.

Appendices I: Family Trees

Appendices II: Map(s) of Liverpool/London/Hamburg from different time frames of the books.

Appendices III: ML interviews with different people to read in full

Appendices IV: Abbey Road Studio layouts. (Where players/instruments were when they recorded songs)

 

ML as an author would defiantly be capable of doing this because of his knowledge and writing style.

Any other ideas for these from you guys?

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Reklo87 said 

Any other ideas for these from you guys?

Yes - he should learn how to type faster. I want the second installment yesterday.

The first three items you brought up are great ideas. The last one would not be practical for several reasons if you stop and think about it. Chief among them would be the fact that recording sessions are not always choreographed.

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Zig said

Reklo87 said 
Any other ideas for these from you guys?

Yes - he should learn how to type faster. I want the second installment yesterday.

The first three items you brought up are great ideas. The last one would not be practical for several reasons if you stop and think about it. Chief among them would be the fact that recording sessions are not always choreographed.

You REALLY REALLY want these books fast... at least you keep saying it anyway!! Haha!

I know the Abbey Road one isn't very practical but if anyone could put it into writing it would be ML!  I didn't think I would ever know some of the details in volume 1 I now know.

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Reklo87 said
I didn't think I would ever know some of the details in volume 1 I now know.

It's cool isn't it? After 48 years of fandom, I still get excited when new-to-us details surface.

As for my wanting it fast, that is partly my craving more details but mostly a case of racing the life clock by me and the author.

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Zig said 

It's cool isn't it? After 48 years of fandom, I still get excited when new-to-us details surface.
 

I am excited for the details that will be in the next books!!

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I always thought of it being Bruno Koschmider as the one to yell "mach schau!" at The Beatles. He may have at some point, but on page 701 of the extended edition, Lewisohn says that it was Bruno's assistant, Willi Limpinsel, who "did his best to spark them properly into action: MACH SCHAU! he roared."

Man, I wish I could have seen The Beatles mach schau in Hamburg. (Where's that time machine thread??)

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Seeing this thread pop up reminded me - I have been meaning to ask if folks who have read the expanded edition considered it worth the cost and effort. $100 is a lot for a book but on the other hand I enjoyed the regular edition so much that I'm leaning toward investing in it... 

Anyone care to share their thoughts?

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Pablo Ramon said
Seeing this thread pop up reminded me - I have been meaning to ask if folks who have read the expanded edition considered it worth the cost and effort. $100 is a lot for a book but on the other hand I enjoyed the regular edition so much that I'm leaning toward investing in it... 

Anyone care to share their thoughts?  

Yes. Without any doubt. And $100 is a lot for a book for me too.

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meanmistermustard said

Yes. Without any doubt. And $100 is a lot for a book for me too.  

Sold, thank you. 

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 After joining this forum, I discovered the existence of this book!  I may have read about it upon its release, but didn't buy it then.  I've checked it out from my friendly neighborhood library; the U.S. First Edition, and it is $40.00 retail price.  I've just started reading it and it's fascinating, especially if you're a history buff (World War Two, history of Liverpool, so far.)

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