Please consider registering
Guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed sp_TopicIcon
The Beatles: All These Years by Mark Lewisohn. Tune In - What do you think? (Spoilers alert!)
30 October 2013
2.16am
Lennonista
Los Angeles
The Star-Club
Members
Forum Posts: 69
Member Since:
24 April 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

parlance said
What a small world! What did you talk about regarding Pete Shotton?

Nothing revelatory, I’m afraid. I asked ML if he interviewed Pete as part of this project, and he told me no, that certain people are just “Beatled out” and he feels Pete may be one of them. We then discussed his illness, and ML said he didn’t know what Pete was suffering from—but, honestly, I think he was just being respectful of Pete’s privacy and didn’t want to tell me. (I had heard a few different things, all of them degenerative diseases.) ML then mentioned Pete’s book, which both of us loved, agreeing that some of the anecdotes were absolutely priceless.

30 October 2013
5.54am
Avatar
parlance
Slaggers
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 7111
Member Since:
8 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Lennonista said

parlance said
What a small world! What did you talk about regarding Pete Shotton?

Nothing revelatory, I’m afraid. I asked ML if he interviewed Pete as part of this project, and he told me no, that certain people are just “Beatled out” and he feels Pete may be one of them. We then discussed his illness, and ML said he didn’t know what Pete was suffering from—but, honestly, I think he was just being respectful of Pete’s privacy and didn’t want to tell me. (I had heard a few different things, all of them degenerative diseases.) ML then mentioned Pete’s book, which both of us loved, agreeing that some of the anecdotes were absolutely priceless.

 

Thanks for sharing that.  A couple of weeks ago, I got a used copy of Pete’s book. Very glad to add that to my collection.

parlance

Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at Vimeo or YouTube.

2 November 2013
1.40pm
Avatar
guitarman
London, UK
The Top Ten Club
Members
Forum Posts: 57
Member Since:
28 June 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Johnny Rogan’s review of the Extended Edition:

http://www.irishtimes.com/cult…..-1.1577907?

 

Somebody spoke and I went into a dream

2 November 2013
2.10pm
Avatar
parlance
Slaggers
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 7111
Member Since:
8 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks for moving the above review link, mja. I actually wish the review had more spoilers, or at least some indication of how the two editions differ.

parlance

Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at Vimeo or YouTube.

2 November 2013
2.18pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Did you read all three pages? I thought, especially on the third page, he was very clear about how different the editions are.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

2 November 2013
2.24pm
Avatar
parlance
Slaggers
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 7111
Member Since:
8 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

mja said:

Did you read all three pages? I thought, especially on the third page, he was very clear about how different the editions are.

 

Yes, of course. I make a point of not commenting unless I read an article thoroughly.

I think his was a vague description of differences, but there wasn’t enough detail to convince someone who was on the fence as to why they might want to expend the extra cash.

parlance

Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at Vimeo or YouTube.

2 November 2013
2.37pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I think, though true he doesn’t mention many new spoilers, the last five paragraphs make clear just how huge the differences are, and just how much better Lewisohn comes out of the “Extended” as a writer.

I wasn’t meaning to imply you comment without reading the whole thing, but I know I have occasionally found myself missing “next” page links and based an opinion on part of an article.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

2 November 2013
2.41pm
Avatar
parlance
Slaggers
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 7111
Member Since:
8 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I personally don’t need convincing, though I’m waiting for the ebook to be available for purchase in the US. But I was just hoping that someone with access to both editions might at least say something like, “Here’s an example of one story where you’ll find more detail in the extended version than the standard.” At least then I might be able to convince my local library that the purchase is worthwhile.

parlance

Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at Vimeo or YouTube.

2 November 2013
2.52pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Though for various reasons it might take time, I think there’s a good chance Joe’s review may do something of that. ahdn_george_07 And, who knows, I may even decide to offer a review once I’ve finished it sometime in the middle of next year! heart

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

4 November 2013
5.00am
Lennonista
Los Angeles
The Star-Club
Members
Forum Posts: 69
Member Since:
24 April 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I got my book last week and I have just glanced through it, which is not what I expected to do. I expected to devour it in two or three readings. But knowing that the Extended Version is on the way has made me want to hold off. (Besides, I’ve had an especially busy week and no time to myself until now.) I’m just wondering how many people will be like me and only read one or the other but not both.

4 November 2013
10.41am
Avatar
trcanberra
Oz
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 6064
Member Since:
29 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Lennonista said
I got my book last week and I have just glanced through it, which is not what I expected to do. I expected to devour it in two or three readings. But knowing that the Extended Version is on the way has made me want to hold off. (Besides, I’ve had an especially busy week and no time to myself until now.) I’m just wondering how many people will be like me and only read one or the other but not both.

Well – I’m only reading the standard edition – the other is way too expensive for my level of interest; if he can’t say what I need to know in 850 pages the rest would be too minor for me to lose sleep over.  I’m sure folks here will let me know if I miss anything important :)

[EDIT] Finished it this morning as well – a nice read but a few bits dragged so I think that is plenty for me.  Now, how long until part 2?

 

==> trcanberra and hongkonglady - Together even when not (married for those not in the know!) <==

10 November 2013
7.31pm
Lennonista
Los Angeles
The Star-Club
Members
Forum Posts: 69
Member Since:
24 April 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Lennonista said

I asked ML if he interviewed Pete as part of this project, and he told me no,

Check out this interview, which was taped the day after I met ML. At 3:34, Peeples asked him whom he wished he had interviewed… wonder if our convo influenced his answer.

 

11 November 2013
2.14pm
Avatar
Joe
Pepperland
Admin
Forum Posts: 5694
Member Since:
31 March 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

mja6758 said
Though for various reasons it might take time, I think there’s a good chance Joe’s review may do something of that. ahdn_george_07 And, who knows, I may even decide to offer a review once I’ve finished it sometime in the middle of next year! heart

I won’t be reviewing the extended edition, though I will be reading it. I’ve just had a dispatch email from hive.co.uk – should be here sometime this week.

Incidentally, since I placed my order they’ve raised the price from £59.26 to £67.99 (still cheaper than Amazon, and supports independent booksellers). I hope those who wanted it managed to get it at the lower price.

Can buy me love! Please consider supporting the Beatles Bible on Amazon
Or buy my paperback/ebook! Riding So High – The Beatles and Drugs

Don't miss The Bowie Bible – now live!

11 November 2013
5.38pm
Avatar
Zig
The Toppermost of the Poppermost
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 9832
Member Since:
14 April 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Lennonista said
I’m just wondering how many people will be like me and only read one or the other but not both.

I am currently reading the US edition only becuase I did not want to wait for the UK Deluxe edition. Amazon UK anticipates it being on my front porch sometime between 20 and 22 November. At that point, I will start all over again from the beginning. And I will love every minute of it.

 

To the fountain of perpetual mirth, let it roll for all its worth. And all the children boogie.

15 November 2013
5.01pm
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 22221
Member Since:
20 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I guess I could wait until my copy of the book arrives, but I’m too curious to wait. Does the information that parlance posted the other day about the news clippings found at Grosvenor Ballroom contradict the information presented by Lewisohn on the subject of when the group started calling themselves the “Silver Beatles” or “The Beatles”?

15 November 2013
5.09pm
Avatar
HeyTrud
Edmonton, Alberta Canada
Carnegie Hall
Members
Forum Posts: 550
Member Since:
14 February 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I’m about 250 pages through the US Edition and this book is my new addiction!  I am someone who is rarely late…especially for work.  I’m the Type-A personality who is typically 5 minutes early.  This damn book has made me late for work twice! HA! 

"....take a sad song & make it Meilleur"....

17 November 2013
1.01am
Lennonista
Los Angeles
The Star-Club
Members
Forum Posts: 69
Member Since:
24 April 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Ahhh Girl said
I guess I could wait until my copy of the book arrives, but I’m too curious to wait. Does the information that parlance posted the other day about the news clippings found at Grosvenor Ballroom contradict the information presented by Lewisohn on the subject of when the group started calling themselves the “Silver Beatles” or “The Beatles”?

Lewisohn writes that they dropped Silver from their name before the Scotland trip, probably in mid/late May 1960. He claims that Stuart still preferred writing the Beatals, though. The article about the news clippings assumes they were still called the Silver Beetles in June, but Lewisohn explains that Allan Williams just continued to bill them as the Silver Beetles through the summer, even though they were calling themselves the Beatles by that time.

The article makes another error, stating: “but they did return [to the Grosvenor] on September 15, 1960, ‘making their first appearance since their German tour.'” That’s not possible since they were still in Hamburg at the time. They played there in September of 1961.

17 November 2013
2.53am
Avatar
parlance
Slaggers
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 7111
Member Since:
8 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Good question and good answer!

parlance

Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at Vimeo or YouTube.

17 November 2013
2.41pm
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 22221
Member Since:
20 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Lennonista said

Ahhh Girl said
I guess I could wait until my copy of the book arrives, but I’m too curious to wait. Does the information that parlance posted the other day about the news clippings found at Grosvenor Ballroom contradict the information presented by Lewisohn on the subject of when the group started calling themselves the “Silver Beatles” or “The Beatles”?

Lewisohn writes that they dropped Silver from their name before the Scotland trip, probably in mid/late May 1960. He claims that Stuart still preferred writing the Beatals, though. The article about the news clippings assumes they were still called the Silver Beetles in June, but Lewisohn explains that Allan Williams just continued to bill them as the Silver Beetles through the summer, even though they were calling themselves the Beatles by that time.

The article makes another error, stating: “but they did return [to the Grosvenor] on September 15, 1960, ‘making their first appearance since their German tour.'” That’s not possible since they were still in Hamburg at the time. They played there in September of 1961.

vielen dank, Lennonista. I’m glad we don’t already need a revised 2nd edition.

17 November 2013
7.28pm
Avatar
parlance
Slaggers
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 7111
Member Since:
8 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
100sp_Permalink sp_Print

Ahhh Girl said

vielen dank, Lennonista. I’m glad we don’t already need a revised 2nd edition.

Brings up an interesting point. I wonder if, after he’s finished with the trilogy, Lewisohn will want to revise as necessary.

parlance

Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at Vimeo or YouTube.

Forum Timezone: Europe/London
Most Users Ever Online: 700
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 1
Top Posters:
Starr Shine?: 16105
Ron Nasty: 12534
Zig: 9832
50yearslate: 8759
Necko: 8043
AppleScruffJunior: 7583
parlance: 7111
mr. Sun king coming together: 6402
Mr. Kite: 6147
trcanberra: 6064
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 88
Members: 2858
Moderators: 5
Admins: 1
Forum Stats:
Groups: 3
Forums: 44
Topics: 5518
Posts: 380508
Newest Members:
katybphoto, sleeptalker, Lovethebeatles, vtrop, nickygrangery
Moderators: Joe: 5694, meanmistermustard: 24963, Ahhh Girl: 22221, Beatlebug: 18182, The Hole Got Fixed: 8410
Administrators: Joe: 5694