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The Beatles: All These Years by Mark Lewisohn. Tune In - What do you think? (Spoilers alert!)
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guitarman
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27 September 2013 - 2.40pm

I'm really enjoying David Hepworth's posts (I've always liked his stuff, especially when he was writing for Word magazine). I'm a bit puzzled as to why the publishers have OK'd them but have stopped you from posting spoilers, Joe. Perhaps he's having to get them pre-approved, so they have control over what he puts out?

 

 

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Linde
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27 September 2013 - 2.41pm

Thanks so much for posting all the spoilers! Am going to read all of it now.

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4 October 2013 - 4.16pm

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walrusgumboot
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4 October 2013 - 4.54pm

Thanx Joe, GREAT review. Will Amazon have the UK deluxe version available to buy in the USA, do you know?

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4 October 2013 - 5.29pm

Yes, you can import it for a standard shipping fee (I think £7, but check the site). It's been discussed on the other Lewisohn thread in this section, though you'd be forgiven for not wanting to wade through pages and pages of discussion!

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4 October 2013 - 7.49pm

Missed it. I must be more watchful.... a-hard-days-night-john-3

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7 October 2013 - 8.49pm

DrBeatle's excellent review can be found here: http://rnrchemist.blogspot.com.....years.html

Whilst Mojo's is here (as alerted to by parlance): http://www.mojo4music.com/7455.....book-ever/

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7 October 2013 - 8.59pm

I need this book! Sadly can't afford it at the moment, may be able to get it next month. If you're a huge Beatle fan it's boring sometimes when reading a book about them as we have to trawl through the story of how they got together and the Hamburg escapes which we already know inside out. However, this looks like it's got all new information instead of the usual stories which may now turn out to be not completely accurate. Thanks for the review Joe, you've definitely succeeded in getting me excited about this book! 

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9 October 2013 - 11.32am

mja6758 said
DrBeatle's excellent review can be found here: http://rnrchemist.blogspot.com.....years.html

Whilst Mojo's is here (as alerted to by parlance): http://www.mojo4music.com/7455.....book-ever/

 

Thanks for that!

DrBeatle's review is excellent indeed! Makes me even more enthousiastic.

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10 October 2013 - 4.39am

From Beatles Blog: audio excerpts from Lewisohn's site are up at SoundCloud.

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11 October 2013 - 3.09am

It does disappoint me when, with all this work, all the checking that must have gone on with this, I find my first typo on page 20! Hope it's not a sign of things to come!

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11 October 2013 - 1.29pm

mja6758 said
It does disappoint me when, with all this work, all the checking that must have gone on with this, I find my first typo on page 20! Hope it's not a sign of things to come.

I'm with you. That is aggrevating. Let's hope it's all uphill from there.

Revised standard edition? Revised deluxe edition? Revised Kindle-only edition? The can easily fix the error in the digital copy before they sell any more of them.

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11 October 2013 - 2.57pm

It's not major, "an RC church" instead of "a RC church", but is annoying as it jars the line - "a" before consonants, "an" before vowels. Simple rule.

Just slightly clumsy use of language that has slipped through. Trivial certainly, but I really hope there aren't too many others.

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12 October 2013 - 5.42am

mja6758 said
It does disappoint me when, with all this work, all the checking that must have gone on with this, I find my first typo on page 20! Hope it's not a sign of things to come!

I was thinking the same about the editing; and that from page xiii - the sentence which begins "Unless quoting documents that had it differently ..." is repeated twice within three paragraphs with only a minor variation and exactly the same meaning.  And I haven't even started reading it yet.

I was a newspaper sub-editor in a former life and am just horrified by the typos and errors which manifest themselves in books and newspapers these days since we moved from manual to electronic typesetting; which has reduced the number of people involved - many of those people used to spot errors that made it past the formal checking.

 

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12 October 2013 - 6.33am

trcanberra said

mja6758 said
It does disappoint me when, with all this work, all the checking that must have gone on with this, I find my first typo on page 20! Hope it's not a sign of things to come!

I was thinking the same about the editing; and that from page xiii - the sentence which begins "Unless quoting documents that had it differently ..." is repeated twice within three paragraphs with only a minor variation and exactly the same meaning.  And I haven't even started reading it yet.

I was a newspaper sub-editor in a former life and am just horrified by the typos and errors which manifest themselves in books and newspapers these days since we moved from manual to electronic typesetting; which has reduced the number of people involved - many of those people used to spot errors that made it past the formal checking.

 

I am saying the same thing about the national bibliographic utilities such as OCLC's WorldCat and SkyRiver's database. When libraries think they can do without catalogers, the quality of the records and the database as a whole start going down the tubes. We have to clean up records much more now than we did in the past. And...don't get me started on e-book records we dump into our local catalogs these days. Off topic. Time to get a finger wagged at me by a mod.

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12 October 2013 - 10.45am

OK I am waiting for the expanded edition but couldn't resist reading the preview which is currently available on Amazon. I like it very much but given the Lewisohn says that he's steeped himself in Liverpool history, he does commit a howler when he's describing John and Paul's songwriting. He mentions that the label inside John's guitar - "guaranteed not to split" - would often make them laugh because "by heck, it 'adn't". "By heck" isn't a Scouse phrase (I'm from Merseyside). It's actually used by people from other parts of Lancashire and Greater Manchester. You just wouldn't hear a Scouser say 'by heck'. If we're going for authenticity and 'this is the Beatles in their time'...

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trcanberra
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12 October 2013 - 12.07pm

guitarman said
OK I am waiting for the expanded edition but couldn't resist reading the preview which is currently available on Amazon. I like it very much but given the Lewisohn says that he's steeped himself in Liverpool history, he does commit a howler when he's describing John and Paul's songwriting. He mentions that the label inside John's guitar - "guaranteed not to split" - would often make them laugh because "by heck, it 'adn't". "By heck" isn't a Scouse phrase (I'm from Merseyside). It's actually used by people from other parts of Lancashire and Greater Manchester. You just wouldn't hear a Scouser say 'by heck'. If we're going for authenticity and 'this is the Beatles in their time'...

I fully expect us to find 100 items that will make one or more of us cringe, but then we have set expectations so far that some of us are bound to come back down to earth with a thump.

I also fully expect that this will still be the best biography of the lads by a long country mile.

 

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12 October 2013 - 2.30pm

"It's not major, "an RC church" instead of "a RC church", but is annoying as it jars the line - "a" before consonants, "an" before vowels. Simple rule. Just slightly clumsy use of language that has slipped through. Trivial certainly, but I really hope there aren't too many others."

Can't quote properly on an iPad/Chrome for some reason. Anyway, this is a matter of house style, and presumably Little, Brown go by verbal cues - ie if you'd say "an RC church", that's how it'd be written too. Similar with acronyms like Uefa, Nasa etc (not UEFA, NASA). Be guided by speech. It's the same rule I've always had wherever I've worked in publishing - I think "an RC church" is fine. I'd find the alternative far more jarring.

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trcanberra
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12 October 2013 - 10.49pm

I am finding this book very heavy going just now.

Umm - not stylistically - just literally.  The thing weighs a ton and I am finding it hard to hold it comfortably, while still having it in position to flip to the end notes all the time.

I'm wondering whether I might prefer notes at the bottom of each page; though with the number of them it would have broken the flow of pages a lot I guess.

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Lennonista
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13 October 2013 - 3.13am

My copy hasn't arrived yet, but I'm worried about that, too. So I borrowed a friend's music stand. Hope that will work!

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