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The Beatles: All These Years by Mark Lewisohn. Tune In - What do you think? (Spoilers alert!)
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This was one I listened to on audio, I have to confess.  The audiobook comes in at around 43 hours of listening.  I don’t mind hefty books at all but it’s an  incredibly forensic love affair that Lewisohn has with the Beatles ( to our advantage) and maybe when I’m retired I will read the book.

I have a few others of his proper hooks, they are enjoyable reads despite the detail. Lots we already know of course, but he assembles it all with love and dedication; warts and all.

Looking forward to Vol II, on audio more than likely, only wish it was him narrating.

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He has a lovely voice, but I’d rather he spend his time on volumes 2 and 3 ahdn_george_08

I think he should consider setting up a patreon account. I’m sure there are lots of fans who would like to support him while he works on the other volumes so he doesn’t have to interrupt himself by doing tours and things (if he doesn’t want to).

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meaigs said
He has a lovely voice, but I’d rather he spend his time on volumes 2 and 3 ahdn_george_08[….]

Probably he feels the samea-hard-days-night-john-6

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I finished the second part of the extended edition, and I feel a bit bereft! Not least because I thought there was another 1000 or so pages (on my e-reader), but it was all index and references paul-mccartney

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There is definitely a feeling of depression when you get to the end; for me it was that the you had come all that way with the band, they were on the cusp of breaking Britain… and you have to stop reading. Amazon has the publication date as September 2015 which confused me as the timeline doesn’t work, turns out it was 2013. Wait . 2015 is paperback, 2013 is hardback which explains it.

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I have been reading the extended edition and it is no doubt that it’s one of the best books about The Beatles ever published. I’m currently up to 1956.

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For anyone who hasn’t given up hope of reading volume two in the next few years, Mark Lewinsohn has said

 

“‘Tune In’ came out in 2013, nine years ago, but – quite honestly – I still don’t know when book two will be finished,” he explains. “It’s really quite some challenge to dive into such a deep, wide and vast history and to assess, condense and relate it thrillingly on the page. It IS coming, and in every single second of every single day I’m aware that it’s for me to do. But what a task it is.

 

There comes a point where you stop researching in a bid to try to be in a position to write the definitive biography and just bloody write the damn thing. It’s slower than Paul’s Archive series which is saying something.

 

I might as well accept there will not be a volume three as there is no chance it’s coming in the next 15 years at this rate, possibly twenty.

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I think he’s made a mistake trying to do it by himself for multiple reasons. It would obviously be much faster with help, but also, it would be a better historical record. Especially if he was working with historians.

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He is the Beatles historian, @meaigs. Nobody close to him in the field.

His difficulty seems to be that he’s constantly finding new pieces of the history, and having to decide how important they are, and how they fit in.

He probably does use researchers on some aspects (he himself was a researcher on several books published by others), but the writing of the book has to be down to him. I definitely wouldn’t want it written by committee.

His big flaw seems to be that he doesn’t seem happy to set a deadline and say “I go with what I know at the point.” He has the problem that he finds something new and pushes back the deadline to work out how it fits into the story.

But it is wrong to suggest, if you were, that he isn’t a historian, and in his field he’s the world’s leading expert, and has been for around forty years. He’s the experts expert, the historians historian. That gets in the way, too much the perfectionist wanting it to be as right as it can be.

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he were now to think he jumped the gun with Volume One as so much additional information has come to light since.

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He is the Beatles historian, @meaigs. Nobody close to him in the field.

His difficulty seems to be that he’s constantly finding new pieces of the history, and having to decide how important they are, and how they fit in.

He probably does use researchers on some aspects (he himself was a researcher on several books published by others), but the writing of the book has to be down to him. I definitely wouldn’t want it written by committee.

His big flaw seems to be that he doesn’t seem happy to set a deadline and say “I go with what I know at the point.” He has the problem that he finds something new and pushes back the deadline to work out how it fits into the story.

But it is wrong to suggest, if you were, that he isn’t a historian, and in his field he’s the world’s leading expert, and has been for around forty years. He’s the experts expert, the historians historian. That gets in the way, too much the perfectionist wanting it to be as right as it can be.

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he were now to think he jumped the gun with Volume One as so much additional information has come to light since.

  

 

He’s not going to go back and update part one before releasing part one is he? Don’t put ideas into the air; the wait is long enough with him going forward, can’t deal if he goes into reverse.

 

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I know historian isn’t a protected term like engineer, but his background is in research and journalism. I’m not sure he has any education in modern historical methods.

I’ve also heard him say on a podcast that he can’t afford assistants, but also doesn’t want to use them.

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I think you are being quite dismissive of Lewisohn in your description of him @meaigs.

Any historian I know of is first and foremost a researcher, it’s the basis of being a historian. I also wouldn’t consider him to be a journalist in the basic meaning and understanding of the word. He has only ever been employed by three magazines — The Beatles Book Monthly which he contributed to during its second run that started with reprints of the originals in the mid-70s; Radio Times, where he largely wrote about comedy, and went on to write The Radio Times Book of TV Comedy; and Match of the Day, where he wrote about football.

His work was much more commentary than journalism.

Here is the opening paragraph of his Wikipedia entry…

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Note he is described as an historian and biographer, not a researcher with a background in journalism.

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I don’t mean to be dismissive, @Ron Nasty . I think he’s done incredible work, and I devoured the extended edition of Tune In. There were some frustrating things about it though. For example, his unsympathetic attitude to Paul’s issues with money. He said “he kept his hand in his pocket” when discussing the fact that Paul didn’t buy a new instrument (he didn’t seem to give any thought to where Paul’s money might be going — like home to his father for example). I must admit I was taken aback by his casual racism against the Irish too.

The fact that Wikipedia calls him a historian only reflects the fact that he gets called that a lot. I’m still not convinced that the word is entirely accurate, but ymmv.

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I hope Mark Lewisohn is, at least, keeping detailed notes in some way (writing or audio, for example?) – so that an appropriate person could take over to some extent if necessary. I certainly wish Mark a long and healthy life, but clearly there’s a signficant possibility that he may die before he completes all the volumes himself.

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Richard said
I hope Mark Lewisohn is, at least, keeping detailed notes in some way (writing or audio, for example?) – so that an appropriate person could take over to some extent if necessary. I certainly wish Mark a long and healthy life, but clearly there’s a signficant possibility that he may die before he completes all the volumes himself.

  

There is a significant possibility we all will be dead before he completes all the volumes.

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