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The Beatles: All These Years by Mark Lewisohn. Tune In - What do you think? (Spoilers alert!)
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StrawberryRose said
 After joining this forum, I discovered the existence of this book!  I may have read about it upon its release, but didn't buy it then.  I've checked it out from my friendly neighborhood library; the U.S. First Edition, and it is $40.00 retail price.  I've just started reading it and it's fascinating, especially if you're a history buff (World War Two, history of Liverpool, so far.)  

It is a good book!

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I just finished listening to this book on audible. I hadn't read any Beatles books before, and I loved it.

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McCall1981 said
I just finished listening to this book on audible. I hadn't read any Beatles books before, and I loved it.  

Wow! The proverbial being thrown into the deep end of the pool. That's lots of deep info in a compact container.

9 June 2017
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I still haven't finished it.

This is the longest I've ever taken to read a book. I've been reading for over 3.5 years or something. It's insane!
It's not that I'm a slow reader, it's more like I read a bit, then won't touch it for months, read a bit, etc.

9 June 2017
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I've read several Beatles bios as well as biographies of other favorite artists, and Tune In is sitting right on my* shelf, but I don't have the balls to pick it up and read it. It is so daunting!

*a shelf in my house, not my own shelf. 

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9 June 2017
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You won't regret it. Once i started it i couldn't stop reading it.
I need to re-read it though.

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9 June 2017
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The way I am reading it:

Take small bites and push back from the table when you are stuffed. Let that digest for a while then go back for more. Yes, it is taking me a long time to read it, but I am thoroughly enjoying it.

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I guess I'm alone in having read this book 3 times. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

I am you as you are you as you are you and you are all together. 

10 June 2017
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Usually when I read Beatles books, I just go to the page that I need and read that, especially with research books like the ones by people like Mark Lewisohn.

If you're reading this, you are looking for something to do.

12 June 2017
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It took me weeks to read but I'm glad I did. This book is a model of great, objective research and reporting and elegant, economical writing (yes, those 800 pages are models of efficiency...)

For me, it works as a reference and a narrative and has utterly spoiled me on all other Beatles bios.

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Who was the person Lewisohn mentioned that was John, Paul, and George's "manager" before Williams? It wasn't a long-lived relationship.

24 June 2017
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Found it. Derek Hodkin. He is in the Japage3 section. He was John, Paul, and George's manager after Nigel Walley.

Joe mentions him on this page: https://www.beatlesbible.com/b.....-lewisohn/

Nigel Walley had to tell Eric Griffiths he was out of the band like Brian had to tell Pete Best that he was being let go.

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I just read the part where Astrid visits Stu in Liverpool. She didn't speak or understand English. That got me wondering: when did German children began learning English at school? @Martha, can you shed any light on this for me?

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Ahhh Girl said
I just read the part where Astrid visits Stu in Liverpool. She didn't speak or understand English. That got me wondering: when did German children began learning English at school? @Martha, can you shed any light on this for me?  

That's very strange, from what I found out, there was a law in Hamburg which made it compulsory for every public school to teach English. So, since Astrid had already finished her basic school education when she meet Stuart, she must have already learnt it then. However, outside Hamburg, learning English was only made compulsory from the fifth grade onwards in 1964, so maybe she went to school in a autonomous suburb of Hamburg or a nearby village  where the laws differed from the citie's law. In this case, it is possible that she never had English classes but instead Latin  or French classes.

That's a bit vague, I know, sorry about that. 

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Thanks, Martha. Learning English would probably have helped people in Hamburg communicate with the sailors that came to the city.

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Two things to consider, @Ahhh Girl, @Martha.

Firstly, what was the state of post-war German school education? Was it capable of fully teaching its official curriculum in the post-War years? Astrid was born in 1938, making her seven in 1945, and among the first-generation of post-Nazi children. While Hamburg state schools were supposed to teach English, were they always able to find an English speaker at this time in the country's history?

Secondly, Astrid has always seemed to me to come from a well-to-do family that survived the war relatively undisturbed. I'd class them, from what I know of Astrid, as - speaking in British terms - either upper middle-class, or lower upper-class. This throws up the question as to whether she attended a Hamburg state school or received a private education, and if she received a private education, the teaching English may well have not applied.

Just some thoughts. I see no reason for Astrid saying she did not speak English unless she didn't speak English.

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^That makes a lot of sense, especially the first point since the law is from 1870 which was a totally different time, as the country had flourished under Bismarck back then. The situation in 1870 time was, of course, in no way comparable to the situation after the Second Worl War - finding enough English teachers was probably the smallest problem for schools immediately after the Nazi reign.

However, thinking about it, I think also your second point could easily be true. For instance, I find it really striking how Astrid's first education is never mentioned anywhere. I even read an interview with her where she says:

Moving on to your education and training - could you recall how you became a student, what you were studying and the type of work you were developing at the time?

Yes, I wanted to become either a fashion designer or do drawings for fashion magazines [...] So that's why I went to the Meisterschule für Mode, Werkschule für Textil Grafik und Werbung ( Master School for Fashion, College for Textiles, Graphic Art, and Advertisement) It was there where you could really learn everything from the peak like drawing, writing, and graphic design. [...]

Isn't it interesting how she recalls 'how she became a student' as her college years? It doesn't have to mean anything but to me, it sounds as if this was actually the first time she visited a proper public school, so your theory could very well be true.

 

Thanks for the logical arguments, this question has somewhat bothered me over the last days.

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It took me nearly 5 years, but I FINALLY finished the book last week. Amazing. 

Next is a Paul McCartney bio my mom bought me for my birthday last year. That's almost an entire year ago. Oops.

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Hi @Linde - nice to see you again. Glad you finished the book. What do you think of it?

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I'm only on page 3.

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