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John: Cynthia Lennon
22 April 2015
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LittleBeatlemaniac
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I just finished the book and thought it was pretty interesting to read from Cynthia's perspective. I feel even worse for Julian, he had such a rough childhood. 

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May be a bit late to the thread but wanted to add to it anyway! I really enjoyed this read I felt it was like a harsh reality and Cynthia didn't whitewash over things like she could have about her years with John. It gives us so much personal insight into her relationship with John especially the distance she felt between them during those later years and her descriptions of how it felt to be with someone who was there but not 'really there' seem so accurate and heart wrenching. I feel it helped us see not only what John was like in his romantic relationships but also his character as a father and friend. What stuck with me the most and was probably the most saddening was the last sentence of the book in which she wrote:

"But the truth is if I'd have known as a teenager what falling for John Lennon would lead to, I would have turned round right then and walked away."

"Who's that little old man?

1 June 2019
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I've always thought that an incredibly cruel line because, at its most basic, it's saying she'd be willing to not have had Julian.

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1 June 2019
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That's the difficult thing, because she says she could never regret having Julian yet of course we know there is no Julian without John.

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I suppose she would most likely have had a child with someone else.. but it wouldn't have been Julian. 

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LittleBeatlemaniac said
I just finished the book and thought it was pretty interesting to read from Cynthia's perspective. I feel even worse for Julian, he had such a rough childhood. 

  

Julian’s childhood is what makes him more authentically like John than Sean. John really had bastard aspects of his personality, especially as a younger guy, and through his attitude towards Sean he basically repeated how he himself was raised. I am not an untrustworthy liar, but I have sociopathic aspects to my personality. I think, like John, it’s about holding onto a sense of individuality and having a sense of control. These things are very hard to shake, nigh impossible. It’s either in your DNA or it’s not. 

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^I thought that (broadly speaking) sociopathy was environmental while psychopathy was genetic?

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No, it's to do with the severity of the illness, @Beatlebug. Psychopathy is a more severe form of sociopathy. All psychopaths are also sociopaths, but not all sociopaths are psychopaths.

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3 June 2019
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Well technically both are outdated terms for what is now called anti-social personality disorder.

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8 June 2019
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I read this book a few years ago, and I remember being really disturbed by it. It made me lose a lot of respect for both John and Yoko. Julian was a strong kid to allow his father back into his life after being neglected for so long. A lot of people wouldn't have given him that chance. 

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8 June 2019
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Julian was no more neglected by the parent who didn't have custody and lived abroad than any child in that situation. While Julian says he rarely saw his father in the last years of his life, there are photographs that contradict that, and also quotes from Julian that contradict his more damning appraisals of John as a father. It all needs balancing.

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Whether or not Julian saw John a couple more times than he claims doesn't make much of a difference. John was the one who made the decision to move to New York and abandon his child. His absence did not start with his and Cyn's separation, either. Julian was born while The Beatles were on tour, and when John finally got a break from touring, he decided that going on a two week vacation was more important than spending time with his wife and newborn child. He started this pattern in the very beginning of Julian's life. 

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Given the choice that not going to New York would have meant that Yoko had no chance of getting Kyoko back, since Anthony Cox was hiding her in a US-based cult. Many children of broken relationships only see their parents during school breaks, and Julian was no different. Lots of those who were there have said Cynthia made it difficult for John to see as much of Julian as he might have wanted. Sadly kids often become the battleground in parental break-ups, and Julian and Kyoko were victims of this. Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans.

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13 June 2019
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I'm glad I haven't read this book.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death.” —John Lennon 

14 June 2019
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I finished the book 2 months ago. It was really good, but depressing. 

I found it unpersonal though, whenever she mentioned happenings in The Beatles timeline that she didn't witness. I guess it was to not confuse the new fans about what happended when.

Even though I got more respect for Cynthia for what she went through and got to understand better why a lot of people hate Yoko, I wouldn't had wished that John had stayed with Cynthia because they would had fallen apart no matter what (gosh, how I wish some fans on the internet would stop romanticizing their relationship based on photos) and in the end it was better for both of them to leave eachother.

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Expert Textpert said
I'm glad I haven't read this book.

  

To each his own. I'm glad i did it. a-hard-days-night-john-1

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