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17 December 2012
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Will people please
This is not a Paul/Linda thread. It a John/Cynthia thread, in relation to her second book about John. I responded to a couple of points raised in response to what I said about The Beatles leaving Liverpool. My point was always about John and Cynthia. Stop talking about Paul and Linda, great as their relationship was, it doesn’t count in a thread about John and Cynthia!
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Getting back on track, John was such a conflicted character because on one hand he had no interest in remaining faithful to her after marriage, yet in many of his letters during the Beatlemania years he laments how he needed to be a better and more faithful husband and father. As someone who has ADHD myself, reading about John in Cyn’s book and Philip Norman’s book, he exhibits many of the same symptoms.
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DrBeatle said
As someone who has ADHD myself, reading about John in Cyn’s book and Philip Norman’s book, he exhibits many of the same symptoms.
Didn’t know that about John, but it doesn’t surprise me. I have it too. 
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Offline There have been other threads where folks discussed whether or not John was bipolar, had ADHD, or any other disorders, for those who wish to read them.
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5.37pm
1 November 2012
Offline Sorry, back on track: Someone in another thread said that John physically abused Cynthia. Is this true? And does Cynthia discuss this in her book(s)?
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1 May 2011
Offline During the Playboy interviews John was asked about the song Getting Better and replied
LENNON: It is a diary form of writing. All that “I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved” was me. I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically — any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn’t express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything’s the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace. I am not violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence. I will have to be a lot older before I can face in public how I treated women as a youngster.
Dont know if its in any of Cyth’s books as i havent read them.
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5.54pm
1 November 2012
Offline meanmistermustard said
During the Playboy interviews John was asked about the song Getting Better and repliedLENNON: It is a diary form of writing. All that “I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved” was me. I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically — any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn’t express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything’s the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace. I am not violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence. I will have to be a lot older before I can face in public how I treated women as a youngster.
Dont know if its in any of Cyth’s books as i havent read them.
Thanks for the info. There’s one sentence in there I don’t quite get:
“I am not violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence.”
Aside from the apparent typo (shouldn’t there be an “a” after the 3rd word?) the sentence doesn’t seem to make sense.
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17 December 2012
Offline Funny Paper said
meanmistermustard said
During the Playboy interviews John was asked about the song Getting Better and repliedLENNON: It is a diary form of writing. All that “I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved” was me. I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically — any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn’t express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything’s the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace. I am not violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence. I will have to be a lot older before I can face in public how I treated women as a youngster.
Dont know if its in any of Cyth’s books as i havent read them.
Thanks for the info. There’s one sentence in there I don’t quite get:
“I am not violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence.”
Aside from the apparent typo (shouldn’t there be an “a” after the 3rd word?) the sentence doesn’t seem to make sense.
meanmistermustard misquoted. I quoted it in another thread, lifting it from Joe’s entry on the song. It should read, “I am a violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence.” You replace the “not” with “a” as the third word and it makes, in an imperfect world, perfect sense.
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Offline Apologies for the misquote, got from an online transcript of the interview, the link is in my last post. And thanks to mja for correcting it.
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5 November 2011
Offline Funny Paper said
Sorry, back on track: Someone in another thread said that John physically abused Cynthia. Is this true? And does Cynthia discuss this in her book(s)?
John was only physically violent towards Cynthia once, and she does talk about it in her book. They separated for three months because of it.
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8 November 2012
Offline I wonder if there are more incidents than Cynthia admitted to. Hunter Davies’ book notes an incident where a cleaning woman at the college caught John hitting Cynthia (it’s refernced in the Wikipedia entry on Cynthia).
Edit: I found it – it’s a quote from Cynthia in the Davies book (p. 53 of the 2009 edition). “Molly, the cleaning woman, once caught John hitting me, really clouting me. She said I was a silly girl to get mixed up with someone like that.”
I suppose it could have been the same incident as the one in John? But she doesn’t mention in that book that there was a witness.
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29 November 2012
Offline the one mentioned in her book took place in the basement of the art building outside the ladies room.
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17 January 2013
Offline unknown said
John was only physically violent towards Cynthia once, and she does talk about it in her book. They separated for three months because of it.
I take from what John has said in interviews that there was most likely more than one occasion. Just because she didn’t talk about it in her book, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It’s difficult to take the “truth” from only one source. 
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29 November 2012
Offline Exactly. John’s image has been whitewashed a lot by Yoko, especially since his death, and I’m sure Cynthia and Julian don’t want to open a lot of old wounds. But chances are if he did it once, he did it more than once. Didn’t Thelma Pickles (his girlfriend before Cynthia) claim he hit her, too?
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12.24am
8 November 2012
Offline DrBeatle said
Exactly. John’s image has been whitewashed a lot by Yoko, especially since his death, and I’m sure Cynthia and Julian don’t want to open a lot of old wounds. But chances are if he did it once, he did it more than once.
That’s also my take on it.
Didn’t Thelma Pickles (his girlfriend before Cynthia) claim he hit her, too?
Yes, she did.
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7.52pm
1 November 2012
Offline Thelma Pickles! What a name! That name could be a great Beatles song, one of those whimsical references!
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29 November 2012
Offline Funny Paper said
Thelma Pickles! What a name! That name could be a great Beatles song, one of those whimsical references!
I know, I remember when I first read that name years and years ago, I thought it was either a joke or a typo 
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4.18am
5 November 2011
Offline LongHairedLady said
unknown said
John was only physically violent towards Cynthia once, and she does talk about it in her book. They separated for three months because of it.
Just because she didn’t talk about it in her book, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It’s difficult to take the “truth” from only one source.
She could be lying because it’s embarrassing or blocked it from her memory or something, but she says in her book that was the only time he hit her.
So, although he was still verbally cutting and unkind, he was never again physically violent to me.
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5.55am
17 January 2013
Offline unknown said
She could be lying because it’s embarrassing or blocked it from her memory or something, but she says in her book that was the only time he hit her.
So, although he was still verbally cutting and unkind, he was never again physically violent to me.
True, the brain can do that with traumatic memories.
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8.01am
8 November 2012
Offline Saw a link at Livejournal – an essay at The Believer on memoirs of rock star exes that talks extensively about John.
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