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Into the Sky with Diamonds
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Into the Sky with Diamonds said 

Billy Rhythm on the thread devoted to the 50th Anniversary of many exciting events including Apollo 8 launched (pardon the term) into the topic of whether the moon landings were fake. Apollo 8 involved no moon landing, and as such, this topic that fits in nicely here IMO is more of a distraction on the 50th Anniversary thread.

Apollo 8 didn't happen and I wasn't the first to bring up Apollo 11 during that thread...  But to be more specific here...  How did Apollo 8 successfully navigate humans through the Van Allen Belts?  What exactly shielded them from relativistic & ultra-relativistic particles?...:-)

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I agree with this conversation being continued over here myself. This thread has long since stopped being solely about @Into the Sky with Diamonds' book, and much of the discussion of space on the forum has happened here. Though I made an Apollo 8 post in the other thread, I never thought for a moment that the thread - as intended by ItSwD - was meant to be a discussion of if we made it to the moon. The thread was meant to be mainly about Beatles' 50th anniversaries during the year ahead, and not whether the moon landings were faked.

I, myself, have often responded to a question in a different thread to which it was asked - in effect, moving it - because I felt my reply could derail the thread. This thread is far better suited, especially if this turns into prolonged discussion. There was too little Beatles talk in the other thread, too much conspiracy theory, IMO.

The trouble with evidence, even with scientific evidence, @Billy Rhythm, is that someone always has a contradictory view. This is partly how we get conspiracy theories. For every opinion there is an equal and opposite opinion. It is, I think, true to say that nearly every major public event has a conspiracy theory attached: The Beatles were a Communist plot to corrupt the youth of America; John's assassin was programmed by CIA using mind control; Brian was murdered; Paul is dead; Hitler fled Germany and died of old age in South America; the Jews were behind 9/11, and the Towers were dynamited; Marilyn was murdered by the CIA and/or the Mafia; Elvis faked his death; Diana was murdered by MI5 and/or 6; Obama wasn't born on American soil... the list just goes on and on.

So, you say that you have approached it scientifically? Interesting. So, are you suggesting the majority scientific opinion, especially among those involved in the applicable sciences, is that we have never traversed the Van Allen belts?

For all those who claim "undeniable proof" that the masses have been lied to, there are those - many, many more - who find it deniable. Now, you can claim vested interests for those who go along with the consensus view; however, you can also claim the same vested interests in those that argue contrary to the accepted history - it is far easier to become a major voice in a small pond than it is a ocean.

You're more likely to become a go-to "talking head" if you're among the minority that call the consensus a lie, than if you're among the majority who don't believe we've been lied to. Or, at least, far less regularly than the amount of conspiracy theories would suggest. The Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four come to mind. Conspiracies do happen, but just like in those cases, they collapse.

And those miscarriages of justice involved pretty small groups of people. Secrets really are hard to keep.

But conspiracies become a lot like religion; a matter of faith, of belief, of listening to and trusting those few who have seen the light.

Here is an alternate view - or rather, the consensus view - from an Assistant Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Oberlin College in Ohio and contributor to Forbes, Jillian Scudder (she has a PhD in Astrophysics a-hard-days-night-ringo-6a-hard-days-night-george-10), Why Aren't the Van Allen Belts a Barrier to Spaceflight?

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@Ron Nasty  Thank you, Ron Nasty.

I was not able to open that link to Forbes, but you inspired me to look for similar articles, and I landed on this Youtube video that pretty much lays it all out

How NASA dealt with the Van Allen radiation belts

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ITSWD emailed me asking for permission to move the conversation here. He didn't need to, but he did, and I gave him the go-ahead because it makes sense. The snarky remark about moving the conversation here to promote his book was non-forum friendly, @Billy Rhythm. You are better than that. The comment was beneath you. You can argue in circles about the moon landings all you like; just remember to be nice.

Thank you to Holey and RN for jumping in and helping smooth over the transition. I barely had time to think about the situation before I walked into a funeral, left immediately after the funeral to drive to Dallas, had dinner* with @Expert Textpert and Mrs. Textpert and one of my co-workers, and drove to the hotel where my workshop is tomorrow. I'm tired.

I can't see the moon over Dallas for all the cloud cover.

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The snarky remark about moving the conversation here to promote his book was non-forum friendly, @Billy Rhythm. You are better than that. The comment was beneath you

You obviously don't know me very well...;-)  It also appears that you haven't had the time to see how this whole nonsense started...  The author of both threads in question starts a thread in 'The Songs' section of the forum with five separate items in the title of which only two are actually songs (and both all ready have their own threads)...  Perhaps you don't remember that this was a road that we'd gone down before years ago on this forum...  The title of the thread eludes me but it had something to do with "aliens causing John's death", if I'm remembering correctly...  The author remembers this all too well and likely tacked 'Apollo 8' onto the title of his thread intentionally...

Having a low tolerance for NASA lies, I proceeded to voice my opinion on the Apollo 8 item...  The author then remarks afterwards:

"@Billy Rhythm Welcome back! I thought, "Will he resist this tasty morsel?""  (not sure what the "Welcome back!" is all about for I wasn't aware that I'd gone anywhere?!) but he clearly baited me and so I bit... 

I provided "evidence" to back up my claims upon request by another poster...  Instead of contributing to the conversation that he apparently was gunning for, he dismisses my well articulated thoughts on the subject as a "distraction" and declares that he's moving the conversation that he started to a thread about his own book...  Another poster here "saw no reason for the discussion to be moved over" while I saw a couple reasons...  to plug his own work and to runaway from the extensive evidence that I'd presented during the other thread that he had no response for...  nothing "snarky" going on there, that's how I saw it...

Yes...  'The Songs' isn't the ideal place for this discussion but neither is 'The Beatles' Books' section either...  A better question is, why do we need THREE threads to discuss this...  If the author wanted to talk Apollo then he should've continued the same conversation from years ago, not start up a new thread in 'The Songs' section...  the migration to his own book thread was just as dubious a choice, in my opinion...  One thing that he effectively demonstrated however, in classic NASA fashion, was a keen sense to redirect the truth to serve his own agenda...  You want to villify me for sharing this opinion on here then I'm happy to play the role, but I still love you...:-)

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The discussion about space specific topics was very friendly, and actually quite interesting. Furthering the discussion about why it was moved serves no purpose at this point it seems. I do sympathize with Billy Rhythm here however as he is receiving criticism for something that I saw as totally appropriate forum discussion. 

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Joe and I have discussed this. He wants to have a Space/NASA thread in ATN .

I will go create one now so that people can continue the conversation there. Hope that works for everyone involved.

Love you too, @Billy Rhythm. Keep posting.

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Great idea!

 @Billy Rhythm 

I actually had no idea I'd posted my thread in "Songs"

I just clicked "New Topic"

The thread could just have easily ended up in Movies, Books or Beatley Moments. My bad. (P.S. I've done that before.)

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well...  where to start, eh?...  I'll pick up on some of Ron Nasty's thoughts which I've yet to comment on...

 

Ron Nasty said:

For all those who claim "undeniable proof" that the masses have been lied to, there are those - many, many more - who find it deniable.

 

In the case for the Apollo Missions that never happened...  There's no majority opinion either way...  There was a poll done in the UK, either last year or the one before, where 52% of those who participated actually believed that it's all a lie...  You'll probably find that any poll done outside of the U.S. (sorry, but the bias is obvious) is very divided and split down the middle...  This isn't the case for other "conspiracies" such as Bigfoot, etc... which are often lumped into any Apollo Hoax discussions in an attempt to discredit its merits...

You also brought up the idea of "consensus" amongst the scientific community...  There is no consensus...  The scientific community is about a competitive arena as you'll find anywhere...  The ego, the competition for glory and, above all, the clamouring for big league contracts (NASA would apply) is about "dog-eat-dog" as you can get...  It goes back centuries...  When Galileo dropped the two balls with two different masses off of the Leaning Tower of Pisa and correctly predicted that they would fall at the same time...  The "better educated" scientists who were there to laugh at the results all walked away muttering to themselves trying to explain the phenom with their own outdated theories...  The World really hasn't changed all that much since...

Even Nikola Tesla & Albert Einstein, two of the brightest scientific minds in human history, had great difficulty seeing eye-to-eye while both worked together during the infamous Philadelphia Experiment...  The only "consensus" is amongst the peer review journals (Popular Science, etc.) which are mostly fortified with articles from lower faculty members whose Ph.D's are bought and paid for and are highly dependant on submission...  The flow of information there is extremely controlled...  I try my best not to prejudge, but I usually put more stock into someone with a M.S. after their name than a Ph.D for they often display characteristics of one who's in search of the truth without preconceived notions and display a most refreshing zest to break new ground...:-)

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So, @Billy Rhythm objects to this thread being used, and then continues the conversation in this thread after AG and Joe have created a thread specifically to discuss this subject. Sorry, but fe*k off.

Rather than ignore Joe and the mods reacting to your objection, I will respect their decision to move this conversation elsewhere.

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
Great idea!

 @Billy Rhythm 

I actually had no idea I'd posted my thread in "Songs"

I just clicked "New Topic"

The thread could just have easily ended up in Movies, Books or Beatley Moments. My bad. (P.S. I've done that before.)  

I understand completely...  I accidentally deposited my latest post on the subject here, by accident, while attempting to quote Ron Nasty's post on the previous page with the intention of posting to the new thread...  and now Ron Nasty's, well, feeling rather nasty...:-( 

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Gahhhhh, I should have put a link to the new thread in my post above. I was late getting to my afternoon conference session ... being in a rush I forgot. (Yes, I put this situation above work for a wee 10 minutes. Don't tell my boss, please.)

Here's the thread: https://www.beatlesbible.com/f.....-race-etc/

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Tough week for Race to the Moon buffs.

Alan Bean passed away as did Tom Wolfe, author of The Right Stuff, the only book I've read three times.

Alan Bean was part of the 2nd expedition to the moon - and an artist. In fact, he once said that he wasn't an astronaut who also painted; he was an astronaut who happened to walk on the moon. His paintings focused on his days as an astronaut - with colorful renditions of an otherwise colorless moon. (NASA played with the pictures, why not Alan Bean!) He also sometimes added the 3rd member of his team, Richard Gordon, who was actually orbiting the moon while Bean and Conrad cavorted below.

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[The NASA thread appears locked, so I'm back to posting here. Feel free to move]

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After 4 years of my Beatles and Friends Radio show being purely audio, I was talked into trying a Facebook Live broadcast simultaneously.

Many glitches need to be worked out (like the writing being backwards), but anyway, here's one of the first attempts.

Beatles and Friends Radio live Facebook

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Anyone see the First Man movie? I enjoyed it despite the "reverse Hollywood" ending that I'm not sure was completely true to life. The movie, however, does a fantastic job of conveying the harrowing experiences Armstrong went through.

(First Man doesn't tell you how Armstrong got into his near-death experiences (or what Ed White is talking about when discussing his space walk). Here are the page references in Into the Sky (3rd edition) that 'splain it all: 177, 202-204, 327, 335-338 and regarding Ed White 163-165.)

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Tickled to have three pages of ITSWD excerpted in this high school textbook. 🙂

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Tickled to have three pages of ITSWD excerpted in this high school textbook. 🙂

  

Fabulously awesome, @Into the Sky with Diamonds!!! paul-mccartney-thumb_gif a-hard-days-night-george-9

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Hey, Into the Sky with Diamonds got a shoutout on the Fab Fourum segment of SiriusXM's Beatle channel this week!

apple01apple01apple01apple01 to yours truly. 🙂

Hope everyone's beating the heat.

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The NY Times reports that Armstrong died of a 1-in-a-million complication. Yea, right... The government killed him off as he was about to reveal that his moon walk was a hoax.

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The NY Times reports that Armstrong died of a 1-in-a-million complication. Yea, right... The government killed him off as he was about to reveal that his moon walk was a hoax.

  

Was that the one he did on the 25th Motown Anniversary special?

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