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9.02am
14 October 2009
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A great book to read with insight into the recording of Revolver onwards BUT I had two faults with this book:
1. Emerick was scathing in his attitude towards George. He as good as portrayed him an an imcompitant guitarist;
2. He is so far up Paul's “arse” it's not true! Yes we know you are still great friends Geoff, but Paul wasn't the only Beatle you know!
"If we feel our heads starting to swell.....we just look at Ringo!"
9.14pm
31 March 2008
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Have you seen the Ken Scott site where he questions a lot of what GE wrote?
http://www.komosproductions.co…..7&p=2
There was a retort from Emerick, which I can't find right now. It was followed by this from Scott: http://www.komosproductions.co…..7&p=4
I understand there was a second edition of the book which put right a lot of the incorrect stuff. I've always been put off though – I do wonder how good it can be if it was originally published with so much wrong with it.
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12.57am
mjb said: He is so far up Paul's “arse” it's not true! Yes we know you are still great friends Geoff, but Paul wasn't the only Beatle you know!
He's not the first person guilty of that, that's for sure!
It's interesting reading Ken Scott's comments about the book. He makes a great point about how The Beatles are now considered a part of history and we need to be very careful about the facts and such… but I think that's very hard with people who were actually part of the story. After all, memories are faulty and everyone has their own particular axe to grind. Plus, the boys themselves have put out so much that isn't actually true, so it may take a while until “the real story” comes out… if ever!
7.08am
14 October 2009
Offline Emerick gave the impression that Paul WAS The Beatles. He spoke poorly of Ringo saying they hardly ever spoke. John was condemned because of Yoko and as I said, his attitude towards George was awful. I wonder if he'd have written it like that had George still been alive?
"If we feel our heads starting to swell.....we just look at Ringo!"
7.14am
14 October 2009
Offline Joe said:
There was a retort from Emerick, which I can't find right now. It was followed by this from Scott: http://www.komosproductions.co…..47&p=4
Ah-hah, so Scott agrees with me about George as well – quote:
My next admission. I am biased. I was and still am very fond of George. To see him described the way he is on numerous pages makes me mad. To quote a very good friend of his, ” He was always called the quiet one, but anyone who knew him knew that once he started there was no way you could shut him up”. “Dour” ? This is the man that made the Rutles and Monty Python movies possible. “Sarcastic” ? Well I can’t argue that, except to say it was always with humor. And everyone dreading when he had to record a solo? In all the time I worked with the band I saw absolutely no evidence of this. Geoff in fact states, in an interview from Good Day Sunshine , issues 79 & 80, that George “…..was very meticulous. It didn’t matter how long that sort of thing took, he’d just do it”. Sounds just the same as Paul to me, but that’s just my opinion.
"If we feel our heads starting to swell.....we just look at Ringo!"
10.41am
31 March 2008
Offline MJB – can I ask a favour? I’ve just written an article about a recording session where a hi-hat part was overdubbed onto Can’t Buy Me Love (stereo mix only). The session documentation only came to light in 1991. In Chronicles, Mark Lewisohn said the identity of the drummer wasn’t known, but Geoff Emerick claims it was Norman Smith.
[T]here was a technical problem to be overcome… the tape had a ripple… resulting in the intermittent loss of treble on Ringo’s hi-hat cymbal. There was tremendous pressure to to get the track mixed and … the Beatles themselves were unavailable, so George and Norman took it upon themselves to make a little adjustment.
As I eagerly headed into the engineer’s seat for the first time, Norman headed down into the studio to overdub a hastily set-up hi-hat onto a few bars of the song while I recorded him, simultaneously doing a two-track to two-track dub. Thanks to Norman’s considerable skills as a drummer, the repair was made quickly and seamlessly.
Someone posted that quote on the Can’t Buy Me Love article, but I’d like the full text if possible (where the …ellipses… and [brackets] show amendments to the original). If you have time, could you please let me know what’s missing?
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3.23pm
31 March 2008
Offline Ah, don’t worry MJB. Deadman, who posted the quotation on the CBMLove page, kindly sent me the full quote. Thanks Deadman, if you’re reading!
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10.13pm
14 July 2010
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mjb said:
A great book to read with insight into the recording of Revolver onwards BUT I had two faults with this book:
1. Emerick was scathing in his attitude towards George. He as good as portrayed him an an imcompitant guitarist;
2. He is so far up Paul's “arse” it's not true! Yes we know you are still great friends Geoff, but Paul wasn't the only Beatle you know!
I agree, and his attitude towards John is ambigous: some times he is portrayed as incompetant, too, and some times as genius.
Goeff talks about Paul as he was the one and only responsible for everthiing they did, it´s the same with Paul Many Years from now, he tooks to much credit.
Otherwise, both are pretty interesting books.
3.03am
27 February 2010
Offline Gustavo said:
mjb said:
A great book to read with insight into the recording of Revolver onwards BUT I had two faults with this book:
1. Emerick was scathing in his attitude towards George. He as good as portrayed him an an imcompitant guitarist;
2. He is so far up Paul's “arse” it's not true! Yes we know you are still great friends Geoff, but Paul wasn't the only Beatle you know!
I agree, and his attitude towards John is ambigous: some times he is portrayed as incompetant, too, and some times as genius.
Goeff talks about Paul as he was the one and only responsible for everthiing they did, it´s the same with Paul Many Years from now, he tooks to much credit.
Otherwise, both are pretty interesting books.
Now I can kill this man (Emerick). And I don't need to read his book.
Granny music.
Sorry everyone, I'm pissed off.
I'd like to say "thank you" on behalf of the group and ourselves and I hope we passed the audition.
John Lennon
12.26am
19 September 2010
Offline The first 100 pages are good (that's as far as I have Got so far), but I wonder what George did to piss off Emerick so badly that all his comments seem to be “George was having a lot of trouble”
As if it matters how a man falls down.'
'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.
12.23am
19 September 2010
Offline Just Finished it. Absolutely no new information in the book. Now, time for Many Years From Now
As if it matters how a man falls down.'
'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.
9.20pm
1 December 2009
Offline Strange how defensive and evasive Emerick is in that original reply to Ken Scott's initial bad review of his book. Instead of trying to defend himself or refute Scott's claims, he goes on the attack – “Ken Scott is just jealous”, “Ken Scott engineered the White Album , the worst-sounding Beatles record”, “Ken Scott's career as a producer went nowhere and so he's trying to sabotage this book”, etc.
GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty.
9.22pm
19 September 2010
Offline It's to discredit a valid opinion about a useless book
As if it matters how a man falls down.'
'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.
9.09pm
28 May 2011
Offline mjb said:
Emerick gave the impression that Paul WAS The Beatles. He spoke poorly of Ringo saying they hardly ever spoke. John was condemned because of Yoko and as I said, his attitude towards George was awful. I wonder if he'd have written it like that had George still been alive?
Would George have beaten him up?
LOL..playing with ya…
I thought this was the best book and I understand why Emerick and Martin would like Paul the best as he seemed to be the only one wanting to keep the band together and work hard.
Lennon was just a joke after 1967 and probably should have been thrown out in 1968.
"If George Harrison can have a triple album, why can't I have a double album?"–Yoko Ono
9.11pm
28 May 2011
Offline Joe said:
Have you seen the Ken Scott site where he questions a lot of what GE wrote?
http://www.komosproductions.co…..7&p=2
There was a retort from Emerick, which I can't find right now. It was followed by this from Scott: http://www.komosproductions.co…..7&p=4
I understand there was a second edition of the book which put right a lot of the incorrect stuff. I've always been put off though – I do wonder how good it can be if it was originally published with so much wrong with it.
Scott's essay floored me, but I have the feeling that he was ticked at Emerick, his former drinking buddy, for stating that Scott had trouble taking over for Emerick during the White Album and that Emerick had been called in to straighten things out several times, which was true.
"If George Harrison can have a triple album, why can't I have a double album?"–Yoko Ono
9.39pm
28 May 2011
Offline Marcelo said:
Gustavo said:
mjb said:
A great book to read with insight into the recording of Revolver onwards BUT I had two faults with this book:
1. Emerick was scathing in his attitude towards George. He as good as portrayed him an an imcompitant guitarist;
2. He is so far up Paul's “arse” it's not true! Yes we know you are still great friends Geoff, but Paul wasn't the only Beatle you know!
I agree, and his attitude towards John is ambigous: some times he is portrayed as incompetant, too, and some times as genius.
Goeff talks about Paul as he was the one and only responsible for everthiing they did, it´s the same with Paul Many Years from now, he tooks to much credit.
Otherwise, both are pretty interesting books.
Now I can kill this man (Emerick). And I don't need to read his book.
Granny music.
Sorry everyone, I'm pissed off.
I was a Lennonist, too, but the truth hurts…Lennon was insanely jealous of McCartney and did everything he could to damage the group and slow Paul down and Emerick reported it which is what makes the book unbiased and excellent….George had no education and was a mediocre guitarist at best but proved to be an amazing songwriter and easily passed John at the end….I would have thrown John out of his own band in 1968.
"If George Harrison can have a triple album, why can't I have a double album?"–Yoko Ono
10.02pm
19 September 2010
Offline JFKin60 said:
I was a Lennonist, too, but the truth hurts…Lennon was insanely jealous of McCartney and did everything he could to damage the group and slow Paul down and Emerick reported it which is what makes the book unbiased and excellent….George had no education and was a mediocre guitarist at best but proved to be an amazing songwriter and easily passed John at the end….I would have thrown John out of his own band in 1968.
First, None of the Beatles had much formal education, so George wasn't any different.
Secondly, unbiased? What book did you read?
Thirdly, George was 1 of the best guitarist ever. If you can't appreciate guitar work, that's your problem. But Harrison was top 5 of all time.
Fourthly, while Harrison was a great songwriter, John wrote some of his best songs in 1968/1969, such as Julia , I'm So Tired, Dear Prudence , Happiness Is A Warm Gun , Yer Blues , Cry Baby Cry , Come Together , I Want You, Don't Let Me Down, etc. I think you need to listen before you make such outlandish (and silly) comments. Welcome to the forum, and please elaborate on the comments you made earlier.
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As if it matters how a man falls down.'
'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.
10.21pm
28 May 2011
Offline mr. Sun king coming together said:
JFKin60 said:
I was a Lennonist, too, but the truth hurts…Lennon was insanely jealous of McCartney and did everything he could to damage the group and slow Paul down and Emerick reported it which is what makes the book unbiased and excellent….George had no education and was a mediocre guitarist at best but proved to be an amazing songwriter and easily passed John at the end….I would have thrown John out of his own band in 1968.
First, None of the Beatles had much formal education, so George wasn't any different.
Secondly, unbiased? What book did you read?
Thirdly, George was 1 of the best guitarist ever. If you can't appreciate guitar work, that's your problem. But Harrison was top 5 of all time.
Fourthly, while Harrison was a great songwriter, John wrote some of his best songs in 1968/1969, such as Julia , I'm So Tired, Dear Prudence , Happiness Is A Warm Gun , Yer Blues , Cry Baby Cry , Come Together , I Want You, Don't Let Me Down, etc. I think you need to listen before you make such outlandish (and silly) comments. Welcome to the forum, and please elaborate on the comments you made earlier.
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First, thanks for that hearty welcome and I'm learning how to work my way around on this board…
In reply to some of your statements…
–Lennon educated himself by reading masses of books. John and Paul both at least attempted art school while George, from what I've read, just blew off everything..
–Biased? Since you made the charge that this book was biased, why don't you go ahead and state some samples for us?
–George might have been one of the top five guitarists that The Beatles employed over the years, but under no circumstances was he one of the best performing guitarists around the world. It also wasn't any surprise that he was removed from lead guitar as often as he was, including his own 'Taxman .' (Believe it or not, I'm a George fan.)
–I never said John didn't write some really good songs after 1967, but he was clearly the third best songwriter in the band at that time and even spoke about his frustration that he couldn't keep up with Paul, who joined John in holding George back.
—Julia and Don't Let Me Down were not anywhere near top Beatle songs and had John Lennon not written/sang them nobody would have ever heard them.
"If George Harrison can have a triple album, why can't I have a double album?"–Yoko Ono
10.36pm
28 May 2011
Offline mr. Sun king coming together said:
Just Finished it. Absolutely no new information in the book. Now, time for Many Years From Now
So, no new info?
You knew about George being knocked off the lead in 'Taxman ?'
"If George Harrison can have a triple album, why can't I have a double album?"–Yoko Ono
10.38pm
19 September 2010
Offline No problem. I’m glad to have more fans here!!!
On education, I did say formal, but that was just misunderstanding.
Actually, I don’t have a copy on the book here, so I can’t point out specific passages, sorry. It was just Emerick’s tone that was biased. Although I’ll see if I can get a copy at my library to reread it soon.
Maybe top 5 was a stretch, but he was better than Paul. Not by much, but still..
Even If he were to be the third best songwriter in the band, bring third to George And Paul isn’t anything to be ashamed of.
Again, welcome!!!
Edit: Yes I did know that McCartney played the solo on Taxman . The one thing I did learn was that there was a hi hat overdub in Can’t Buy Me Love . That’s about it.
As if it matters how a man falls down.'
'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.
