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The Vinyl Thread
11 March 2014
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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

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@Mr. Kite Yeah. The records (at least the Beatles ones) are mostly for novelty, considering I already have all of the songs. My dad has like 500 records, most of which don't match with his 400 CDs, so I have a lot of music. Sucks I can't rip a record.

Really!!! Some players can record it to an audio file, but not mine! I have a pretty good microphone and I've been thinking about recording them with that.

My player is my dad's record player from the 70s. It can't do anything digital.

Mine's pretty new, it's a cassette/cd player/radio/phono and it's good, my only problem is that it can't rip, but nothing to complain about cuz I love it.

Mine can do cassette, records, and AM radio. That's about it. Oh, and the cassette player on it doesn't even work anymore. 

Equipment to do this costs about $250 USD.  Or you can go to a professional and it is $20 USD or less per lp...at least here in the states.  I'm hoping to get a 78 of my dad playing piano at age 10 digitized when I get the money.

 

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

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@Mr. Kite Yeah. The records (at least the Beatles ones) are mostly for novelty, considering I already have all of the songs. My dad has like 500 records, most of which don't match with his 400 CDs, so I have a lot of music. Sucks I can't rip a record.

Really!!! Some players can record it to an audio file, but not mine! I have a pretty good microphone and I've been thinking about recording them with that.

My player is my dad's record player from the 70s. It can't do anything digital. I might go that route, but it would take forever.

And for things I'd save, it'd go my laptop (which has all my music on it, and since I'm not bothering with saving the CDs, this is important), then my bass. Then my Beatles records. I keep my iPod in my pocket anyway. Finally, my copy of the 2012 Draft special The Hockey News with lots of player autographs, and my signed copies of Pearls Blows Up and Into The Sky With Diamonds. Since I have to worry about carrying things (and this is a flood), this a) eliminates my Xbox, which is important, but not as much as my laptop, which has everything on it. and b) things that don't take water damage get left. If it was a fire, there'd be some other stuff I'd try to save too.

You know you really should get an external drive to back your laptop up on.  It's just too easy to get to the point that you have to do a system restore and lose everything.  They don't cost that much...$100 USD tops...but man they are worth it when the time comes.  Saved all my music and most of my pictures (hadn't backed up the pictures).  If you have an old computer around that has a decent sized hard drive you can make an external out of that, just buy a shell for 30 usd or so.

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I got mine online, too. It's in fairly good condition, though. The cover is a bit battered but the sound is great. I think I've played it once or twice, and that's it. I want to keep it that way for as long as possible.

I'm surprised you haven't found any UK albums (actually, are you in the UK?). If you're not then that could be why, I suppose. I come across loads over here.

I have a parlophone Revolver en route to me right now, from someone in the UK, over ebay.  As I've mentioned, my son collects vinyl; this is his bday present.  Not as much fun as poking around old record shops though :(

 

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So, using math, the professional outstrips the home equipment once you hit 13 LPs. I have much more than 13 LPs. Probably more likely to spring for the equipment, though I'm probably not even going to bother. Except for this one bootleg I have on vinyl, but not digital.

And thanks for the advice about the hard drive, I think I have an old computer no one uses anymore I could pull the hard drive out of.

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You know you really should get an external drive to back your laptop up on.  It's just too easy to get to the point that you have to do a system restore and lose everything.  They don't cost that much...$100 USD tops...but man they are worth it when the time comes.  Saved all my music and most of my pictures (hadn't backed up the pictures).  If you have an old computer around that has a decent sized hard drive you can make an external out of that, just buy a shell for 30 usd or so.

This is good advice. I have a NAS unit (Netgear NV+) with three hard drives mirroring each other (RAID 1), so if one fails I've still got another backup. I also back everything up again onto a portable hard drive which I keep in my office (I bring it home to sync every few weeks), so if my house gets burgled or set alight I have an offsite backup. This website, my photos and music are far too valuable to risk losing.

I also keep nothing of value on my computer's internal drive, just the OS. I've had too many HDD failures and had to start again from scratch. Maybe I've been unlucky with hardware.

Anyway, a bit off topic but worth discussing I hope. Bringing it back on topic, I once read a Q&A with Steve Albini where he spoke about his love of vinyl, and the way you can still listen to analogue recordings made decades ago with basic equipment whereas digital formats come and go. 

I can't work out how to link directly to the post in question, but the Q&A is here, and the vinyl discussion can be found if you search for 11308417. The rest is worth a read too - he's an interesting guy.

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I also have my music copied onto three external hard drives and nothing on my laptop's internal drive.

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I feel like all my vinyls have a story or something cool about them so I'll talk about one or two at a time... Later

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A vintage record box I purchased just arrived. Now my once-mighty 12" vinyl collection fits in one box, while the remaining 7"s sit in the one mini-record box I kept. It's kind of sad, but mostly thrilling to have it all in one place.

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Just got a copy of Double Fantasy in really good condition for a few dollars... I have refused to listen to it up to this point and I guess now's the time...

Now this is a bit off topic, but one of the guys at the record store gave me Wingspan, I'm about to watch it and wanted to know everyones opinion... Is it good?

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Mr. Kite said
Just got a copy of Double Fantasy in really good condition for a few dollars... I have refused to listen to it up to this point and I guess now's the time...

Now this is a bit off topic, but one of the guys at the record store gave me Wingspan, I'm about to watch it and wanted to know everyones opinion... Is it good?

I have Double Fantasy I believe it's first edition (anyone know how to check?), bought new. I'm just gonna keep bragging.

I didn't know Wingspan was a movie too? Thought it was just the album. And by "gave", do you mean he gave it to you for free, or recommended it to buy? If it's the first one, lucky 

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Just got a copy of Double Fantasy in really good condition for a few dollars... I have refused to listen to it up to this point and I guess now's the time...

Now this is a bit off topic, but one of the guys at the record store gave me Wingspan, I'm about to watch it and wanted to know everyones opinion... Is it good?

I have Double Fantasy I believe it's first edition (anyone know how to check?), bought new. I'm just gonna keep bragging.

I didn't know Wingspan was a movie too? Thought it was just the album. And by "gave", do you mean he gave it to you for free, or recommended it to buy? If it's the first one, lucky 

I actually mean the first one... It was his old one and it was just the disc he found around. I am lucky!

It was really good by the way. About Paul and Linda's life together and Wings

 

And I think mine is a first edition too... I usually look at the copyright date on the back although not always a sure fire way to firpgure it out. If you look it up you can probably find a way to tell.

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It should tell you the original release date, and then the release date of your particular edition (if it's not original).

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It should tell you the original release date, and then the release date of your particular edition (if it's not original).

The copyright date will tell you nothing more than original release date, and any re-release if it is a re-release. However, records are not like books - while there are obviously exceptions, where label differences etc. can sometimes allow you tell the date of a copy - it is largely impossible to tell the difference between first print, second print, etc. A vinyl copy of Double Fantasy  made in 1980 looks identical to one made up to around 1989, when it was re-released on EMI. There may be a few prints with slight variations, and obviously international variations, but largely they are all done to a template, and will all have 1980 as the copyright and publishing date, until that 1989 re-release.

Books have those nice numbers that tell you which print you own - and will often have the first published---, this edition --- bit, but records have just never done that. So a 1980 UK vinyl copy, for instance, looks identical to a 1983 or a 1985 UK vinyl copy.

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Mr. Kite said

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Mr. Kite said
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I have Double Fantasy I believe it's first edition (anyone know how to check?), bought new. I'm just gonna keep bragging.

And I think mine is a first edition too... I usually look at the copyright date on the back although not always a sure fire way to firpgure it out. If you look it up you can probably find a way to tell.

Can't you tell by the label/number?  Like, Parlophone 303-5 or whatever.  Since I've been here I found both info and knowledgeable people here who, for example, told me the Revolver vinyl on Parlophone was a UK release (they didn't say it was first edition).  But seems like the subsequent editions would have a different number.  Or maybe the copyright date + the label/number?  (by label I mean record company).  Anyone clear on this?

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JPGR gives the cat# and says the original vinyl was deleted in 1988. I don't know how you'd know if it was a first edition. However, at some point I'm Your Angel was renamed Yes, I'm Your Angel (I don't know if some vinyl copies had the latter title, but the new CDs certainly do). If yours has Yes on it then it's definitely not a first edition.

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No, catalogue numbers stay the same. Sometimes they might vary them slightly on special editions, or to signify format, but the catalogue number doesn't vary from print to print. A re-release will often be given a new catalogue number, to differentiate from original release, but then not always.

The Love Me Do  UK single is a good example. Its catalogue number is R 4949. Here are some variations, all UK, from over the years:

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These run through from 1962 to 1982, with the vast majority being variation 3. Now, 1, 2 & 4 are all easily datable, but by their labels and not catalogue numbers. The only variation on cat. no. is on the picture disc, where they add a P (RP 4949), so that you can't order R 4949, and then when they get it in, go, "Oh! That's not a picture disc!"

The only reason there are a variation on labels is that Parlophone was rebranding itself across 1962-1963, but then they settled on labels they would use for decades.

The job of the catalogue number (in any country) is purely to identify where/when in the record company's catalogue it first was made available.

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Mine doesn't have the "Yes", so it's from somewhere early. I'd bet it's first edition because it came out when my dad a) was in his late teens, b) had a job, so he had some more money, and c) John was huge in the news after being killed (he wasn't dead when it came out, but it was soon after). I'd say he probably bought it in late '80, early '81. How long do first editions last in stores?

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In the case of Double Fantasy , they were printing new copies as fast as they could after 8 December. It was sold out most everywhere by the time shops shut on the 9 December, and new copies were being rushed out worldwide.

As I say up above, records are not like books. Without label/sleeve variations, there is no way to tell. The value of a record is held in variations on the normal, so even if you could say it was bought at the end of November 1980, it wouldn't be considered any different by collectors than a copy from Geffen's last vinyl run in 1988.

The only additional value it could have would be sentimental value to you, liking the thought that it dates close to release.

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Ron Nasty said
No, catalogue numbers stay the same. Sometimes they might vary them slightly on special editions, or to signify format, but the catalogue number doesn't vary from print to print. A re-release will often be given a new catalogue number, to differentiate from original release, but then not always.

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The job of the catalogue number (in any country) is purely to identify where/when in the record company's catalogue it first was made available.

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Thank you Ron for the correction and the most excellent explanation!  My apologies for the misinformation, eventually I'll learn...

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I don't care wether or not it's a first edition. It's good condition, it's John, I'm happy! a-hard-days-night-john-1

But mine doesn't have Yes, so I guess that means it was in the first 8 years of pressing?

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