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I was looking for examples of harmonics in Beatles songs and got completely sidetracked by this. I woke up with Penny Lane in my ears the other day. This Beatles thing has got well out of hand! I'm even considering how to obtain a tampura because I'm intrigued by the things after listening to a lot of Shankar (big plus, they're easier to play than a sitar and you just play in the keys they're designed for). None of this rubbish fit into other threads, sorry. 

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I just realised that the David Bowie thread have been locked.

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I just realised that the David Bowie thread have been locked.

*snip-a-dee-do-da-snip-a-dee-day*  

A load of them are locked, it seems a bit all over the place as to what is locked and what isn't. Bowie is locked, Prince is not? 

Also, Harry Potter thread is locked as well, I'm enraged*.

 

 

 

*Note: I am not actually enraged just a wee bit sad.

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A load of them are locked, it seems a bit all over the place as to what is locked and what isn't. Bowie is locked, Prince is not? 

Also, Harry Potter thread is locked as well, I'm enraged*.

 

 

 

*Note: I am not actually enraged just a wee bit sad.  

As said elsewhere, I have no idea why these threads are locked.

Tho considering I'm not a Bowie fan nor do I have any interest in Harry Potter I propose that they remain closed for all eternity as are all similar threads that don't appeal to my own particular likes. I feel this is a sensible sane option that everyone will agree with and I thank you all for agreeing in advance.

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On a count which I may have got a bit wrong, of the 526 topics in ATN , 367 are now locked.

While I realise @Joe may not have consulted the mods about this, I'll take your word elsewhere on that, 367 threads do not lock themselves, nor can I think of any glitch that would lock some threads but not others.

It appears that among them are all threads about other artists with the exception of Prince and Journey have been locked, however closely associated with The Beatles, whether an influence, friend or contemporary.

And, speaking for myself, I am angry. While I have no problem with many of the threads that have been locked - especially those that haven't been touched in years - remaining locked, as said above there is no rhyme or reason to what has been done, and the promise of "fair warning" about any changes given on the 12 March has been just tossed aside.

No idea why the Journey thread wasn't locked (think it has about five posts about 7 years ago), but obvious why the Prince one hasn't been - it's been far too active in recent weeks to be locked without being noticed.

To say, as Joe did two months ago, that this forum will remain fully open, and only the creation of new threads would be blocked, and then to lock over half of ATN is beyond disappointing, and will now have people questioning again whether it's safe to post in any thread here as it may be locked by the time anyone has the chance to respond.

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Not having two discussions on the same issues in different threads. For further discussion/information/outpourings of indignation please navigate to here.

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I was reading a fanfic where people are trapped in a video game with magic and one of the magic types is song magic.

The author created this system for how song magic interacts with the other kinds of magic. I'm posting here cause I wonder what the more musically inclined folks think about it. The author did say it was a work in progress.

The basis for how Song Magic synergizes with the rest of the magic system is based on an affinity called resonance. There are three types of resonances: Key Resonance, Tonal Resonance, and Harmonic Resonance.

Every element except Illusion has a direct Key Resonance with two specific major keys that are opposite each other on the Circle of Fifths‚ÄĒand, by implication, a resonance with their relative minor keys as well. For example, Holy Magic has a direct resonance with C Major and F? Major, which also gives it resonance with A Minor and D? Minor. These keys each have a stronger resonance with Benign, Recovery, Malign, and Utility effects, respectively.

Furthermore, the sharpness and flatness of a key has an effect on how that key interacts with non-resonant elements‚ÄĒa concept called Harmonic Resonance. Sharp keys such as F or G have only a modest resonance with their own element, but do not interact with non-resonant elements. Flat keys like E?m or Cm have a potent resonant effect on their own element, but a negative resonance with other elements called dissonance. The enharmonic key pairs F?/G? and D?/C? have no Harmonic Resonance.

A frequency analysis of the notes in each key signature will show that each element most strongly resonates with a particular note. That is, when all the notes used in the four keys that are resonant with an element are counted, there will be two occurrences of every note in the chromatic scale‚ÄĒexcept for one note, a different one for each element, which occurs twice as often.

To continue the example of Holy Magic: when the occurrences of each note in the keys C, F?, Am, and D?m are summed, there are two occurrences of every note in the chromatic scale‚ÄĒexcept for the natural B, which occurs four times. Holy Magic is therefore said to have Tonal Resonance with any B note‚ÄĒmore strongly with a natural B, less strongly (but stronger than with a non-resonant note) with the notes a semitone higher or lower (C or A? in this example).

In short, spells experience Key Resonance whenever a song is being played in a key that resonates with the element used in the spell, and experience Tonal Resonance when the tempo and resonant notes of the song most closely match the stress patterns of the incantation.

As with the spell system, none of this is necessary to know in order to be effective. If you look at the pronunciation guide for spoken Majutsugo and try saying some incantations out loud, you‚Äôll notice that they have a very specific kind of cadence to them. What some ALO bards may begin to notice is that when they‚Äôre in a party, occasionally their party members‚Äô spells and techniques will crit more often, use less MP, or otherwise gain effectiveness in what seems to be an unpredictable way. This is the result of not only playing a song that resonates with the element used in the spell, but‚ÄĒin the case of magic spells‚ÄĒplaying it so that the stronger or more elementally-resonant notes match the stress points in the rhythm of the incantation as much as possible.

Incidentally, the completely system-assisted ‚Äúbeginner‚ÄĚ mode of Song Magic and the spoken pace of the pronunciation guide in a player‚Äôs spellbook are in the exact same tempo‚ÄĒso if someone is exactly following the leading lights on a beginner‚Äôs instrument, and a mage is precisely imitating their pronunciation guide, resonance should naturally occur if the song and the spell are elementally compatible.

So where does Illusion come in?

Illusion Magic mimics the resonant patterns of whatever key is in use. It does not resonate specifically with any single key signature, nor does it have harmony or dissonance with any. It does, however, have a resonant note: natural F, which is the only natural that does not strongly resonate with any other element. Illusion’s resonance with that note is considerably stronger than the resonance of the other elements with their notes, so while Illusion will not experience Key or Harmonic Resonance simply from a compatible key or chord progression, any spikes of effectiveness from Tonal Resonance will be much more noticeable, and there is no risk of dissonance.

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Starr Shine? said
I was reading a fanfic where people are trapped in a video game with magic and one of the magic types is song magic.

The author created this system for how song magic interacts with the other kinds of magic. I'm posting here cause I wonder what the more musically inclined folks think about it. The author did say it was a work in progress.

The basis for how Song Magic synergizes with the rest of the magic system is based on an affinity called resonance. There are three types of resonances: Key Resonance, Tonal Resonance, and Harmonic Resonance.

Every element except Illusion has a direct Key Resonance with two specific major keys that are opposite each other on the Circle of Fifths‚ÄĒand, by implication, a resonance with their relative minor keys as well. For example, Holy Magic has a direct resonance with C Major and F? Major, which also gives it resonance with A Minor and D? Minor. These keys each have a stronger resonance with Benign, Recovery, Malign, and Utility effects, respectively.

Furthermore, the sharpness and flatness of a key has an effect on how that key interacts with non-resonant elements‚ÄĒa concept called Harmonic Resonance. Sharp keys such as F or G have only a modest resonance with their own element, but do not interact with non-resonant elements. Flat keys like E?m or Cm have a potent resonant effect on their own element, but a negative resonance with other elements called dissonance. The enharmonic key pairs F?/G? and D?/C? have no Harmonic Resonance.

A frequency analysis of the notes in each key signature will show that each element most strongly resonates with a particular note. That is, when all the notes used in the four keys that are resonant with an element are counted, there will be two occurrences of every note in the chromatic scale‚ÄĒexcept for one note, a different one for each element, which occurs twice as often.

To continue the example of Holy Magic: when the occurrences of each note in the keys C, F?, Am, and D?m are summed, there are two occurrences of every note in the chromatic scale‚ÄĒexcept for the natural B, which occurs four times. Holy Magic is therefore said to have Tonal Resonance with any B note‚ÄĒmore strongly with a natural B, less strongly (but stronger than with a non-resonant note) with the notes a semitone higher or lower (C or A? in this example).

In short, spells experience Key Resonance whenever a song is being played in a key that resonates with the element used in the spell, and experience Tonal Resonance when the tempo and resonant notes of the song most closely match the stress patterns of the incantation.

As with the spell system, none of this is necessary to know in order to be effective. If you look at the pronunciation guide for spoken Majutsugo and try saying some incantations out loud, you‚Äôll notice that they have a very specific kind of cadence to them. What some ALO bards may begin to notice is that when they‚Äôre in a party, occasionally their party members‚Äô spells and techniques will crit more often, use less MP, or otherwise gain effectiveness in what seems to be an unpredictable way. This is the result of not only playing a song that resonates with the element used in the spell, but‚ÄĒin the case of magic spells‚ÄĒplaying it so that the stronger or more elementally-resonant notes match the stress points in the rhythm of the incantation as much as possible.

Incidentally, the completely system-assisted ‚Äúbeginner‚ÄĚ mode of Song Magic and the spoken pace of the pronunciation guide in a player‚Äôs spellbook are in the exact same tempo‚ÄĒso if someone is exactly following the leading lights on a beginner‚Äôs instrument, and a mage is precisely imitating their pronunciation guide, resonance should naturally occur if the song and the spell are elementally compatible.

So where does Illusion come in?

Illusion Magic mimics the resonant patterns of whatever key is in use. It does not resonate specifically with any single key signature, nor does it have harmony or dissonance with any. It does, however, have a resonant note: natural F, which is the only natural that does not strongly resonate with any other element. Illusion’s resonance with that note is considerably stronger than the resonance of the other elements with their notes, so while Illusion will not experience Key or Harmonic Resonance simply from a compatible key or chord progression, any spikes of effectiveness from Tonal Resonance will be much more noticeable, and there is no risk of dissonance.

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How did they determine those resonances?

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I don't think that's very lol

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Starr Shine? said
I was reading a fanfic where people are trapped in a video game with magic and one of the magic types is song magic.

The author created this system for how song magic interacts with the other kinds of magic. I'm posting here cause I wonder what the more musically inclined folks think about it. The author did say it was a work in progress.

Interesting idea, a good effort to make the spoken components of spells more important. Perhaps a little overdone, hehe.

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How did they determine those resonances?  

Without going into heavy musicology, there's a precedent for assigning meaning to "resonances" or at least intervals in Western music. It probably applies to other cultures also but Western scales came under religious control for a while and certain intervals were banned or made mandatory. The attributes given to major/minor assonant/dissonant intervals are longstanding and culturally difficult to shift. I think its a bit harsh to call a minor key malign or at best utility and there's no logic in the "scales" anyway, there's major intervals in minor keys there so apart from the cultural assumptions here, it's not making musical sense.

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(belated) thanks to ewe2 -- often I forget I posted something and then the thread disappears from the main page...

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT:

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(belated) thanks to ewe2 -- often I forget I posted something and then the thread disappears from the main page...

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT:

  

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Addendum to my rubbish about scales above: a couple of those scales are modal (they've got Greek names that I always confuse and I can never memorise them), so it's even more fanciful to ascribe meanings to them since they already have meanings given to them by Greeks and just about everyone after them. Fun fact: we didn't get the tempered scale in Western music until the 17th century. Why? Because Greeks (specifically Pythagoras) were religiously offended by the mathematics of scales, realising that it would involve irrational numbers, that's why they're called that. And then of course religion got in the way again and we had to have the right modal scales and no devil's triad thank you. I learnt a lot of that from a very good series by Howard Goodall (he who champions Beatles) called The Story Of Music.

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The "sucking stones" monologue from the Samuel Beckett novel "Molloy" (not sure who the actor is):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXoq_H9BrTE&amp;

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It's Irish actor Jack MacGowran, @Pineapple Records, a close friend of Beckett who's viewed as one of Beckett's greatest collaborators and interpretors, with Beckett writing two works specifically for him (the 1959 radio play Embers and the 1966 - written in 1965 - television play Eh Joe, which started life as Eh Jack).

Interestingly he had two Beatles connections as he played Musketeer Juniper alongside John's Musketeer Gripweed in Dick Lester's How I Won the War, and also Professor Oscar Collins in the George-soundtracked Wonderwall.

His most well-known film role, and his last as he died shortly after filming, was as the drunk director Burke Dennings in 1973 horror classic The Exorcist.

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Thanks @Ron Nasty!  Very informative details, and fascinating for the Beatles connections.  I wonder if Lennon ever commented about Samuel Beckett...?

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