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The Guitar (and Other Musical Instruments) Thread
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9 August 2017
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God, I'll just be happy if I can knock out some reasonable rhythm work to start with, but I do want to learn some lead tricks: there's a great youtube series called The-Art-Of-Guitar, the guy is really down to earth, technically accomplished and I've learnt a lot just by watching. Vibrato and bends are my first mountains.

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@ewe2 did someone say BENDS beatlemaniacs_02_gif

Bends are life, bends are love... bends are one lead thing I can mostly reliably do and sound somewhat good without actually having to move around. a-hard-days-night-john-6a-hard-days-night-george-10
Though I've gotten better at doing runs and more-than-one-note-per-second. Used to be I'd milk the heck of my bends (and without vibrato, too -- cringe!), cause it was the only thing I could do paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

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I can hardly play a note without bending it these days. It just becomes a natural part of your playing, but knowing when to utilize them well in solos is an art. A lot of my playing uses hammer-ons and pull-offs in legato runs.

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I have no intention of becoming a shredding god, my only goal is a not-embarrassing reggae solo or interesting guitar riff in a electronica piece.

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11 August 2017
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I hate Squier, Fender is king and here is why i think that:

1. Unlike Epiphone which was it's own company before it made budget versions of Gibson guitars alongside some of it's own guitars such as the Casino Squier as far as being a guitar manufacturer was meant from the beginning to be the brand name Fender uses on it's cheaply built guitars, hence the acronym Stupid QUIckly built FendER or as most call it Squier although i'm not sure if that's what it actually means.

The story is actually very interesting, Squier was founded in 1890 and was a guitar string manufacturer until 1975 when Fender bought them and got rid of them. However, in 1982 Fender decided to start making Stratocasters in Japan and while some of these guitars were just called Fenders, the European exports were marked as Fender Squiers but were essentially Fender guitars. These early guitars are essentially MIJ Fenders and even have the big Fender logo instead of the big Squier logo and the only reason we even know these are Squiers is because of a little sticker where the original contour body logo is supposed to be.

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However by the end of the year Fender decided to just put the Squier logo upfront and instead of Fender Squier, it's now Squier by Fender.

2. Fender guitars are reasonably priced, you can buy a used MIM Fender Stratocaster for under $300 if you look carefully which isn't a lot of money when you think of it and Mexican Fenders are great playing guitars so getting a Squier is pointless.

3. Squiers are made using cheap everything, cheap pickups, cheap bridge, cheap knobs, cheap pots, cheap frets, and cheap wood, Squiers are made as cheaply and quickly as possible and some Squiers even resort to using plywood to reduce costs. The only exception to this rule are the early MIJ Squiers which are essentially MIJ Fenders with the Squier logo on them but even then you mind as well buy a MIJ Fender.

4. I'm not trying to be mean here but that logo makes some people think less of people who use Squiers. Think of it this way, what guitar would make a guitarist look better.

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This may sound wrong but to me, if a guitarist has a Fender guitar as opposed to a Squier that means that he cares about his guitar playing and is more skilled than someone with a Squier. It may be mean but that logo makes a difference in how fellow musicians see you although it can be fixed by sanding off the Squier logo and replacing it with a Fender logo.

However, there is one thing Squiers are great for...

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Try to find the hidden message. Anyways, Squiers are great for modding the living hell out of.

For example, let's say i buy a used sunburst Squier Affinity Stratocaster off eBay for $50. I might decide to:

Replace the neck with a 24 fret one and add the Fender logo as well as all of the Fender Custom Shop logos

Replace the pickups with some Seymour Duncan HSH with an angled humbucker in the bridge with coil tap

Replace the bridge with a Floyd Rose

Refinish the body in a nicer color like candy apple red and then give it some relic by beating it up a bit and doing some other things to damage the finish to give it a road worn look

Disable the tone knobs

If you want a Squier to heavily mod it, then go for it. Otherwise, get a Fender.

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I agree with you to an extent, Squires have nothing on Epiphones. It's pretty obvious when there's plenty of respected guitarists who actively use Epiphone guitars, whilst I can't think of anyone who uses Squire. Of course Fender is king, but i'd say for the most part Gibsons far exceed Epiphones. 

Even though I don't rate Squires as particularly good guitars, I think it's good that they exist. They do after all hold a respectable spot in the budget electric guitar market, so I'd understand why a parent or something would get one for their kid. Unfortunately not many people have the money to splash out on Fenders, particularly when they are just beginners. As starter electric guitars I think they are perfectly fine. 

I think you also have to remember that it's not the guitar that makes a good guitarist. People spend far too long considering the sound of guitars rather then just putting their sound into the instrument. I think that that's far more important. 

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11 August 2017
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Brand snobbery is just about the most ridiculous thing I've heard of coming from a Beatles fan. More fool you, the rest of us in the real world will buy whatever we want and make great music.

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11 August 2017
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I agree with you that Squiers are acceptable instruments for beginners, as forking over $250 for a used MIM Fender Stratocaster might not be the best idea if you're not even sure if you'll like playing guitar. However, i think it's a good choice to upgrade to a Fender once you've stopped being a beginner.

Since we're on the topic, let's bring up why i think Epiphone is a fine alternative for Gibson.

1. Unlike a MIM Fender Stratocaster or Telecaster which can cost as low as $200, your cheapest Gibson Les Paul or SG is going to be about $400 which is double the price and they aren't even standard models.

2. Many famous people have used Epiphones including Keith Richards, Les Paul, The Edge, Noel Gallagher, Wayne Kramer, and even The Beatles.

3. Some Epiphones have bolt on necks instead of glued in necks like on Gibsons so if you need to replace the neck you can, the funny part is that Gibson headstocks break more often than Fender guitars because of the angle.

By the way, what's the point of glued in necks, bolt on necks seem superior in every way.

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11 August 2017
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Posting pics of my guitars because I can/am a shameless show-off when it comes to my treasured axes. a-hard-days-night-john-1
Martin (Martin D15m acoustic dreadnought, 2002 [approximately])
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Sadie (MIM Fender Stratocaster, 2012)
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And a Fender Mustang II amplifier which I have dubbed Frankie because I name all my music paraphernalia, even amps, and which I do not have a photo of because, let's face it, he's nowhere as pretty as those sweet guitars. a-hard-days-night-george-4

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I sure wish i were right handed because if i ever saw Sadie, i think i'd grab her and play Nowhere Man. In fact, that cute Fender made me listen to Nowhere Man because of George's great sonic blue Fender that he used on the song.

By the way, here's a top 10:

Top 10 most Fender Stratocaster sounding Beatles songs:

1. Nowhere Man

2. All You Need Is Love

3. Taxman

4. Ticket To Ride

5. Drive My Car

6. Think For Yourself

7. Another Girl

8. I Want To Tell You

9. The Word

10. I Am The Walrus

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Gorgeous instruments there, @Silly Girl (but, of course, you already knew that)! a-hard-days-night-george-10

I'm curious: what's it like having a Fender Strat? Do you ever have any problems with Sadie? Or is she an all-around lovely lady? Do you think it might be, in any way, overly challenging for a beginner to own and play one? That kind of stuff. a-hard-days-night-george-9

Sorry for the barrage of questions, I'm doing, umm, some extra research. john-lennon-salute_gif

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13 August 2017
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From my experiences with a Mexican Fender Stratocaster, it feels great, plays well, will last, has great build quality, and is the perfect guitar for a beginner if you have $250 on you.

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@WeepingAtlasCedars said
I'm curious: what's it like having a Fender Strat? Do you ever have any problems with Sadie? Or is she an all-around lovely lady? Do you think it might be, in any way, overly challenging for a beginner to own and play one? That kind of stuff. a-hard-days-night-george-9

Sorry for the barrage of questions, I'm doing, umm, some extra research. john-lennon-salute_gif  

You're quite all right; I'm happy to natter -- I mean, help! a-hard-days-night-george-9

What's it like having a Strat, eh? Well, for me, it's a dream come true. She is an all-round lovely lady, though not without her quirks -- but they only make me love her more. Even yet somedays I look, I look at her with eyes that shine / Somedays I can't, I can't believe that she is miiiine. I can't keep my eyes off of her -- or my hands, either, for that matter. ahdn_george_06 Sometimes I feel like I spend most of my days waiting until I can spend time with her... a-hard-days-night-paul-7

Oh, wait -- you mean practically speaking, not my love life... UMMMM
Yep, nope

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What's It Like To Own A Strat, take 2. Well, they're all-round great instruments -- they sound good, play beautifully, and look wonderful -- and the only thing that I can see as bothersome in any way is the tremolo system. It makes tuning a bit more of a pain than normal, because each string's tension (and, therefore, pitch) is affected by the tension of all the others, and the delicate balance of the bridge will be thrown off if you decide to change string gauges.

I find the bother worth it when I use it, but if you don't think you'll be using the trem much and don't want to deal with that, there are ways around it -- you can shove a bit of wood down there to keep it from moving (not recommended), or (recommended) just buy a Telecaster instead. a-hard-days-night-john-6

Really, as long as you keep the string gauge constant and don't use weird tunings much, it's not a big deal. paul-mccartney-thumb_gif

So you know what I'm talking about, here's a patent diagram of the Strat tremolo system:

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@Dark Overlord said
I sure wish i were right handed because if i ever saw Sadie, i think i'd grab her and play Nowhere Man. In fact, that cute Fender made me listen to Nowhere Man because of George's great sonic blue Fender that he used on the song.

KEEP YER HANDS OFF MY GIRL-- paul-mccartney
I mean, yes, she's a darling, ain't she? a-hard-days-night-george-9

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I feel this should be shared. This guy could do some great things with a Chapman Stick, but you can see it's not all root-fifth with bass a-hard-days-night-john-6

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wfjqurE97A

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She is, even despite the fact that George used a Gibson on Sexy Sadie, she is super cute.

Have any of you tried to hardtail your Strat. I did it with mine by inserting more screws into the guitar to increase pressure, you lose the use of the synchronized tremolo but you gain tuning stability.

I feel like talking about Led Zeppelin today and Jimmy Page's guitars.

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Jimmy Page used his 1959 Fender Telecaster referred to as Dragon for Led Zeppelin's first album, it was also used on the solo to Stairway To Heaven.

Closest sound for the money:

MIM Fender Telecaster

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Jimmy Page used his 1958 Gibson Les Paul Standard starting with Led Zeppelin II.

Closest sound for the money:

Epiphone Les Paul Standard

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This guitar was used on Kashmir and possibly a few other songs.

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What is that about Sexy Sadie? I learned that on a Telecaster.

"The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles!"

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"We could ride and surf together while our love would grow"

-Brian Wilson, Surfer Girl

 

"She had rings on her fingers and bells on her shoes,
And I knew without askin' she was into the blues."

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According to Mal Evans in issue 64 of The Beatles Book Monthly George used his Gibson on Sexy Sadie, since he only refers to the guitars by their brand name, i'm unsure whether he was referring to the Les Paul or SG but it's a Gibson, George didn't even have his Telecaster until after The Beatles was released.

Don't feel bad though, it doesn't matter what guitar you learned it on, i learned many Les Paul songs on my Fender Stratocaster and i have no problem playing Gibson songs on a Fender, it's not like everyone has 12 different guitar models just lying around, any electric guitar will do for an electric song and any acoustic guitar will do for an acoustic song.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8And any acoustic guitar will do for an electric song, and any electric guitar will do for an acoustic song. It might not sound as good as it should, but it will do the job.

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If you're playing someone elses song on guitar it doesn't have to sound identical to the record by the way. 

Even though i'm a guitarist of 15 years, I couldn't really care less what guitars were used in a song to be honest. Yes it's interesting, but i'm far more interested in the composition of a song. If you're a great guitarist, it doesn't matter what guitar you use.

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