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The Guitar (and Other Musical Instruments) Thread
25 January 2020
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That sounds like it would sound fabulous. I must try it. ahdn_john_08_gif

Maybe we've discussed this before, but the tuning Page uses on 'The Rain Song' (DGCGCD) is also amazing to play around in 

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I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this, but I don't know where else to ask.  

I'm not at all musical.  I know bass and can pick out what people describe as lead, but what does rhythm guitar sound like? Can someone point me to a riff or a song that I can listen to and think "Ahhh, I get it"?  I have Spotify, so it doesn't have to be The Beatles.     

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@Teddy Salad I'm not sure what the best place would be for this inquiry either, so this works. mccartney-shrug_01_gif In re: your question, an excellent (and quite difficult) example is the fast guitar chords in All My Loving . Sometimes, a guitarist will do more of a lead part, then stick to rhythm under the singing, like in Things We Said Today , with the aggressive chord strums at the opening that is just basic strumming the rest of the song.

Rhythm guitar is typically just chords to flesh out a song's arrangement, usually strummed, often acoustic (but not always). Being such a basic instrumental part, it's hard to do badly (unless you're just completely playing the wrong tempo/chords) and easy to do very boring rhythm guitar that doesn't sound bad, but isn't exactly inspiring either. John, who usually played rhythm, was enough of a renegade that he could come up with some interesting, effective parts that really helped drive the song instead of just being "there" (see All My Loving , All I've Got To Do , I can't think of anything else off the top of my head right now). Rhythm guitar doesn't typically do riffs, as those are usually lead guitar, unless there's a more complicated situation in which you have riffs and a solo over top, or a Jimmy Page guitar-army thing of just lots of different riffs (e.g. toward the end of "The Ocean" and "Ten Years Gone").

Hope that helps. john-lennon-salute_gif

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Rhythm Guitar typically refers to a second guitar played along with a lead. The Eagles’ One Of These Nights guitar solo has a clear rhythmic guitar part under the solo. If you’ve ever seen a live band with two guitarists, one will often be the designated rhythm player. 

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Teddy, there are a lot of multi-track examples on youtube that isolate the guitar parts. Here is a short of Revolution with the parts labeled at the beginning.

The multi-tracks for a lot of McCartney/Wings songs are also available and many other artists as well. It is amazing how it all comes together as some of the individual tracks sound pretty weird by themselves a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

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Revolver is a great album for listening to rhythm guitar because the structure of the songs and the recording methods lent themselves to more clarity in the arrangements. Starting with Taxman , you have the ska-like stabs of guitar underpinning the drum rhythm. This is actually an important job for rhythm guitar, it can fill out that space and allow the bass to move around a bit from just playing the root notes.  Skipping over to I'm Only Sleeping , we have a nice rounded acoustic guitar that makes itself known immediately and the rest of the instruments sort of group themselves around it in the mix. You could just have John and the guitar and nothing essential would be lost, that's the hallmark of a great rhythm guitar part (well maybe Paul would disagree ahdn_john_08_gif) Here There And Everywhere has some lovely distinct and chimey electric guitar (even in mono if you have that version), playing broken-up chords (that's a technical term :P), and Yellow Submarine goes back to that pillowy acoustic guitar to bed-down the singalong. She Said She Said is a full-on electric attack of at least two, likely three guitars and some organ mixed in with each other. Two of the guitars are doing riffs and one is probably a 12-string Rickenbacker providing that jangly picking you're hearing underneath the riffs, like a wall of jangle. Moving right along to And Your Bird Can Sing , in the stereo version you can clearly hear a guitar playing chords just underneath the volume of the two harmonizing guitars, with some effect on it, possibly some vibrato or Leslie. It's more part of the mix in the mono version but still audible so it's meant to be there! Sometimes rhythm guitar has that role, meant to be more felt than heard but the song would be empty without it. In Doctor Robert John's main rhythm is clear on the left, almost sounding like two guitars in one, that ringing note really filling the space perfectly.  Sadly that's all there is for the rhythm guitar in Revolver , but it's been a great ride. Now go back and listen to Rubber Soul and see if you can pick out the rhythm guitar from the ideas here!

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Got a 1/2 size nylon string guitar yesterday, it's so fun because it has this ukulele type sound and i can't let go of it.

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What pedals do y'all use?

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I wish I had pedals a-hard-days-night-ringo-12

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*covers up Linda's ears*

I wish I had an electric guitar so that I can wish that I had pedals. 

Edit: Linda's my acoustic guitar. She gets jealous. Especially when I play my teacher's Strat....

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What pedals do y'all use?

  

I have a few now! I haven't properly organised them into a board, and I'm not using an amp right now but a preamp into a USB interface. The signal chain goes:

interface - dod polara reverb - tc electronics echobrain analog delay - dod obscura digital delay -  joyo american (preamp) - behringer uc200 ultra chorus -dod  carcosa fuzz - guitar/bass. I alternate modulators in the chorus position with a mooer trelicopter tremolo or a joyo phaser. I have the two delays right now because I love having the analog just feeding back on its short delay as an ambient backdrop to the longer delays on the digital obscura. All these pedals can do several different jobs, the fuzz for example can do boost/overdrive/distortion/ as well as fuzz. I have a Keely seeing-eye mod DS-1 distortion, but its a specific-sound pedal (very nice for punky noise). The dod pedals are fantastic and can do multiple forms of reverb/delays, both are stereo too, I'm going to get an amp that can do that justice at some point. I plan to get some bass-specifc pedals, at least a envelope filter (I have a mooer but it only works for guitar), a preamp/DI (EHX look the goods for both) and a poly octaver (currently looking at the joyo XVI which is punching well above its weight vs the boutique pedals).

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Last night I woke up at 2 am to the feeling of something poking me in my bed. It was my capo. I was playing "Bye Bye Love" on my bed before I went to sleep and didn't put my capo away and instead it got tangled in my sheets. 

Also, I'm pretty distressed because my little tin of Beatles and Fender guitar picks mysteriously went missing. At first, I suspected my little sister had snatched them so as to look at them, but profusely claims to not have them and I can't find them anywhere in my room or in my guitar case. I probably left them at my guitar teacher's shop, but because of corona we're doing lessons on FaceTime and I have no idea when I'll be there next to look. Worst case scenario they fell out of my guitar case at a random location.....

Luckily, I still have my Revolver  illustrated George guitar pick to use since I left it in the strings of my guitar and not in the case, though it's a thin one. But its better than nothing! 

I really hope my Beatle picks turn up soon.....

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lovelyritametermaid said
Also, I'm pretty distressed because my little tin of Beatles and Fender guitar picks mysteriously went missing. At first, I suspected my little sister had snatched them so as to look at them, but profusely claims to not have them and I can't find them anywhere in my room or in my guitar case. I probably left them at my guitar teacher's shop, but because of corona we're doing lessons on FaceTime and I have no idea when I'll be there next to look. Worst case scenario they fell out of my guitar case at a random location.....

Luckily, I still have my Revolver  illustrated George guitar pick to use since I left it in the strings of my guitar and not in the case, though it's a thin one. But its better than nothing! 

I really hope my Beatle picks turn up soon.....

Sorry to hear that, lovelyrita. I think I've got the same set of Beatles picks, and I know I'd be right upset I didn't know where they were (coincidentally, I also like using the Revolver -George onea-hard-days-night-paul-10). I'm sure you'll find them!

 

I haven't played for a while, and to be honest, I don't even know where or how to pick it back up. Do any of you, by chance, have any advice?

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Just do it mccartney-shrug_01_gif

Maybe watch some YouTube tutorials and/or learn a new song.

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Hope you are all safe and healthy and self-isolating! Something happened to my watches and I lost them so I haven't been keeping up, but I should be paying the last off my Jazz bass next week and starting on the payoff of another guitar, which hopefully should take care of guitar-gas for a while so I can concentrate on my GAS for other things paul-mccartneyI wasn't going to rush into getting another electric guitar (because I have a long shopping list anyway), but this one is kind of special and it's a limited opportunity: a discontinued G&L model called Ascari GT90, it has 2 P90 pickups and was only ever made in Indonesia between 2013-2017 and was part of a collaboration between G&L and Jackson Guitars. The fact that one's in a shop  in Australia in 2020 is pretty amazing, and it's likely to be the last one available. They look and sound amazing although they got less fanfare than the Ascari GTS did, but unfortunately the Ascari and Fiorenti guitars fell victim to the CITES freeze, or they'd be around today. So, a NGD soon and hopefully another one in a little while too! I'm thinking about amps and very seriously considering paying off either a HRD Blues Junior IV or a Deluxe IV, one's a little simpler than the other and I can't decide between them yet. Probably the Junior because it will "just work" in a recording context.

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My fingers: *crying in pain after playing the tricky barre chords for 2 hours straight*

Me: Oh okay we'll take a break

My fingers: *sigh in relief*

Me (5 minutes later): Okay time to play guitar again

Me: *continues to play guitar for the entire rest of the day with only small breaks to eat, drink tea, and watch snippets of Criminal Minds*

My fingers: paul-mccartney

Anyhoo:

I think I've been making very positive progress with my guitar playing! I've learned the chords to a number of songs and some riffs and scales as well and there's a bunch of songs that I can play all the way through with minimal hiccups. I've gotten a handling on a few barre chords, but there are some that are still tricky, but I'm really determined to build up finger strength so that I can play them without screwing up a-hard-days-night-ringo-15 (hence the above ahdn_paul_06) Now that I have a capo, I can learn even more songs! My guitar teacher taught me how to play Norwegian Wood (properly) and a slew of other Beatles songs, and I taught some Beatle tunes to myself as well. Today, I taught myself "clawhammer" fingerpicking so that I can learn "Julia "-- I got the opening down, it's just the barre chords in the verses (blue-meanie) that are really tricky, but I'm so deadset on getting it down (and I have a lot of time to do it, too a-hard-days-night-paul-7). I have yet to venture to the bridge, but I'll get there someday with hard work and effort. I find fingerpicking patterns to be extremely satisfying. In fact, I find everything about guitar-playing to be mostly satisfying because of all the patterns involved-- I guess it's just how my brain works, where it instantly hooks on to these patterns mccartney-shrug_01_gif Anyhoo, I'm quite proud of myself for my accomplishments and how far I've come stuart-sutcliffepaul-mccartney-thumb_gif, and I'm quite determined on becoming better and better each day. I very much fell in love with my guitar heart

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I'm proud of you too @lovelyritametermaid! Don't let it stop, never fade away john-lennon-salute_gif

I've been playing a lot lately, too. My fingers have not yet made peace with this. I ignore their protests and push on, because I know they're fine, they've plenty of callus to get by. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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I bought this guitar and can pick it up on April 9, however i’m in a different side of the country for quarrantine so i’m hoping I can get it shipped. 

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I also set up my friends pedalboard for him and gave him the power supplies for his amps and pedals and in exchange I got a small bass amp. Now i can play bass without concern of messing up my equipment. 

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I'm learning how to play Here Comes The Sun on the piano via Face Time with my piano teacher. The notes are fairly easy to learn, especially since I've heard the song enough times to mostly play it mostly by ear. Playing the song has really changed my understanding of HCTS as I've come to appreciate the syncopation and rhythms that I hadn't fully consciously thought about before. I usually play classical pieces or pieces that were originally intended for piano, but playing a song that I know and love has been really different for me and it's made me realize new things about the song. It really does feel different compared to learning a song that I haven't heard before. I know that it's a guitar song, but I'm dreadful at guitar as of yet and the arrangement for this version is quite realistic. I'm mostly self-taught when it comes to guitar (even though I have my dad who plays), and although I got my guitar last June, I haven't really had the time to practice. I'm hoping to pick up guitar again when I'm stuck here in quarantine. Maybe I'll find some online lessons at some point. Anyways, I'm still debating whether I should upload a cover to the Beatles Bible or not when it's ready. 

Have a great day everyone! heart

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I'd love to hear it T2! Take your time of course. apple01

Fun fact, I never really truly appreciated HCTS on a personal level until I learned it myself and then I suddenly realized why everyone loves it so much. It's a tricky, quick little tune, but it's so sparkling and satisfying when you've got it down.

One of the best times I ever played it, years ago, early on when I still struggled with the chord changes, was when I was slightly pissed off and the anger fuelled my fingers and I flew through it more precisely than I ever had managed to before. a-hard-days-night-john-6

Now I measure my progress as a guitarist by the fact that I can play HCTS fine without needing someone to insult me first a-hard-days-night-george-9

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