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If I were to try learning bass, would it be easier to learn guitar before bass?

"By all means, I'd be quite prepared for that eventuality." - George Harrison

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50yearslate said
If I were to try learning bass, would it be easier to learn guitar before bass?  

Bass is certainly easier to learn once you play guitar, but easier than guitar to reach a beginner level. 

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@The Hole Got Fixed great bass, what made you pick an Artist (for you others, it's an Australian house brand like Harley Benton and probably made in the same factory)? I've bought a few things from them and I've been hemming and hawing over whether to get a cheap Jazz or save a bit more and get a Squier. 

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Bass is certainly easier to learn once you play guitar, but easier than guitar to reach a beginner level.   

That's sort of true but not really, and they have very different mindsets. Physically you can get away with noise a lot more on a guitar: on a bass, noise other than the notes you mean to play is very bad, and it takes time to learn the skills to only make the noises you want. As a bassplayer who's going back to guitar after a long absence, I notice very much the extra noises a guitar can make. But it's worth taking the bass up because you'll learn about songs a lot more quickly that way (because you have no choice), good rhythm, and hopefully you can play with others to learn the other vital skills a good bassplayer needs. Some of those skills lend themselves well to guitar too, you'll still have to learn to think differently between the two. I am stressing that because guitarists often don't think of the bass as anything but an accompaniment to guitar and if you do that, you won't get beyond beginner bass no matter how well you play it.

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@ewe2 I chose it for a couple of reasons. 1) it's Australian, 2) it didn't blow my budget, 3) I know a few people who have one and like it. Oh, and 4) free express postage!

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Ooh that's always good to hear, that you know someone who owns one. People say very nice things in the reviews on the site but you do wonder whether they'll say the same thing six months down the track. I would be tempted to get one if they're built well, that's my only worry. I've been lucky with my other online purchases mostly.

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I'll let you know in 6 months time then!

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Haha, well I may be going for a Harley Benton only because they sell their cheap Jazzes with maple necks, and I want a maple neck bass because I don't have one, and it makes sense with a Jazz so I can get a bit more pop out of slapping and grungey noise for picking! @50yearslate this is an exception to my "no noises rule", jazz basses make a specific noise that fits more aggressive playing! Although Musicman Stingrays can also do that, they don't do other styles with the same versatility as a Jazz. 

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ewe2 said

That's sort of true but not really, and they have very different mindsets. Physically you can get away with noise a lot more on a guitar: on a bass, noise other than the notes you mean to play is very bad, and it takes time to learn the skills to only make the noises you want. As a bassplayer who's going back to guitar after a long absence, I notice very much the extra noises a guitar can make. But it's worth taking the bass up because you'll learn about songs a lot more quickly that way (because you have no choice), good rhythm, and hopefully you can play with others to learn the other vital skills a good bassplayer needs. Some of those skills lend themselves well to guitar too, you'll still have to learn to think differently between the two. I am stressing that because guitarists often don't think of the bass as anything but an accompaniment to guitar and if you do that, you won't get beyond beginner bass no matter how well you play it.  

I agree with the idea that the rhythm is much harder to pick up. Great rhythm is what sets great bass players apart 

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@ewe2 said

That's sort of true but not really, and they have very different mindsets.

Yes indeed, that's really what sets them apart -- the notes themselves, as far as frets and strings, are pretty much the same.

Physically you can get away with noise a lot more on a guitar: on a bass, noise other than the notes you mean to play is very bad, and it takes time to learn the skills to only make the noises you want. As a bassplayer who's going back to guitar after a long absence, I notice very much the extra noises a guitar can make.

As a guitarist who spent like an hour last night playing clattery Muse riffs which then devolved into making pick-scraping/feedback/alien/generally weird shit noises, I can vouch for this. a-hard-days-night-john-6

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I agree with the idea that the rhythm is much harder to pick up. Great rhythm is what sets great bass players apart  

Oh, definitely. I've toyed with bass-playing and I've learnt a few basslines, and that was always the most difficult thing, nailing that sense of rhythm. I learnt the (absolutely #$@% incredible) bassline to 'What Is And What Should Never Be' (Led Zeppelin) not too long ago, and it was not the (busy, tasty) melody but the rhythm that threw me for a proper loop. John Paul Jones had an incredible funky sense of rhythm which (as with most bassists, those most underappreciated creatures in a band) you kind of have to dig beneath Page's and Bonham's respective fireworks to appreciate.

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Haha, well I may be going for a Harley Benton only because they sell their cheap Jazzes with maple necks, and I want a maple neck bass because I don't have one, and it makes sense with a Jazz so I can get a bit more pop out of slapping and grungey noise for picking! @50yearslate this is an exception to my "no noises rule", jazz basses make a specific noise that fits more aggressive playing! Although Musicman Stingrays can also do that, they don't do other styles with the same versatility as a Jazz.   

...Jonesy had a particularly tasty thumpy/grungy-Jazz-bass tone, particularly in the early days of Led Zepp. Some of his lines on Led Zeppelin II sound really garagey and wonderful, really enhances the general raw sexiness of that album's sound in general. a-hard-days-night-paul-7 Tasty bass!

Just so you know, this conversation is NOT helping my bass envy at all, y'all a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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Saith Beatlebug: 

As a guitarist who spent like an hour last night playing clattery Muse riffs which then devolved into making pick-scraping/feedback/alien/generally weird shit noises, I can vouch for this. a-hard-days-night-john-6

A fuzz pedal is a dreadful temptation, I have played along to REM's Monster album a few times now. I might have to get hold of a Line 6 tremolo pedal which Peter Buck used because my Mooer Trelicopter finds it hard to dial in the speed used on a few of the songs. And yowling along to Mississippi Queen by Mountain, very satisfying. 

Also sprach Beatlebugthustra:

John Paul Jones had an incredible funky sense of rhythm which (as with most bassists, those most underappreciated creatures in a band) you kind of have to dig beneath Page's and Bonham's respective fireworks to appreciate.

You can't really call yourself a bassplayer until you've at least tried to nail a few Zepp basslines, JPJ is indeed very funky/RNB with his lines, he does a lot of variation of a simple idea over a song. He's not an all-over-the-place player like Roger Glover of Deep Purple is, because Glover is more free to do that with the organ providing some of the basic chord progressions. Zeppelin was a 3-piece band with a singer, so JPJ had to hold down the rhythm and more of the chord progression, with a lot more space to do that in. Doesn't mean that Dazed and Confused and Ramble On aren't physically challenging though! And to really nail JPJ funk you have to play The Crunge paul-mccartney

Where's that confounded bridge...

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ewe2 said

You can't really call yourself a bass rockanrollplayer until you've at least tried to nail a few Zepp bassanythinglines

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JPJ is indeed very funky/RNB with his lines, he does a lot of variation of a simple idea over a song. He's not an all-over-the-place player like Roger Glover of Deep Purple is, because Glover is more free to do that with the organ providing some of the basic chord progressions. Zeppelin was a 3-piece band with a singer, so JPJ had to hold down the rhythm and more of the chord progression, with a lot more space to do that in. Doesn't mean that Dazed and Confused and Ramble On aren't physically challenging though! And to really nail JPJ funk you have to play The Crunge paul-mccartney 

ahdn_ringo_09 Indeed. The Crunge is an absolute Jonesyfest, the only reason I even bothered not to skip it in the beginning (now I listen to it partly for the joy of ribbing Plant mercilessly about his laughable [and entirely unserious] vocal improvs, I do love to hate that song a-hard-days-night-john-6).

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