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27 March 2018
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@WeepingAtlasCedars haha, that pic was taken in the living room -- I usually have my stuff crowded in the most crowded corner of my room, so I understand what you're talking about a bit. I like Frankie quite well, thank you; he suits my present needs, although I do vaguely dream of getting a proper amp* someday.

I do completely understand your confuzzlement (an excellent word, by the way). I'm too lazy to restate what I already told @Martha in a PM so here it is verbatim: a-hard-days-night-john-6

Beatlebug said:

As for your question -- QUESTION? YES! -- I can't really help you much. If you have a specific tone you're chasing, I could tell you what I'd do to achieve or approximate it, but other than that you'll just have to go through trial and error until you figure out what works. I went through the same learning stage, as I recall -- the first time I unpacked it and plugged it in was not some huge revelation, to be honest. ahdn_paul_01
Just try out different things until you figure it out. Some pointers to keep in mind:
- Read the owner's manual. I'm serious. john-lennon-salute_gif
- Gain is not volume, although more gain will make it sound somewhat louder. It's, roughly, the sensitivity level of the pickup(s), and different presets will have different preexisting gain levels that you can adjust with your gain knob. More gain usually equals more distortion and, therefore, more rock-god awesomeness (but don't overdo it).
- The guitar's volume knob has a surprising amount to do with the amount of distortion you get. Turn it up to 10 for maximum ear-shredding awesomeness, and roll it back when you're Coming Back To Life (and similarly clean situations)**. For purely controlling the volume, use the amp's volume knob(s).
- When you practise, keep it clean. And by this I mean don't hide behind a wall of effects when trying to master techniques , because if you've enough distortion or whatever, any old crap you play will sound sort of good. a-hard-days-night-john-6 That doesn't mean you should always avoid having fun making the weirdest noises you can get out of your most grotty modulation settings -- just don't hide behind reverb and distortion when you're trying to practise constructively.
- Avoid the last setting on the MOD (modulation) effects knob. It's really
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I hope that helps! Best wishes on your electric guitar journey! john-lennon-salute_gif
  

So, basically, I can offer no better advice than just play around and see what happens. There are also good tone resources on the 'net which I can hunt up and send you at a later date if you like.

As for the capo: I have a Kyser capo, it's pretty good. Not the cheapest, but not the most expensive either. I don't really know much about other types of Capo's.

*A very vague notion, that, and one I haven't even looked into that much. I have other priorities -- namely, actually getting good at guitar ahdn_paul_01
**Since the time of this writing, I have realised that the guitar volume knob also affects the amount of sustain you get, and since 'Coming Back To Life' has looooooong leeeegaaaatooooo beeeeennnnnnddddds which you want plenty of sustain on, it's better to have the guitar volume up and the gain and tone knobs rolled back.

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Getting more sustain on a Strat is a bit of a job because the standard pickups and wiring aren't really designed for it.  But we live in the 21st century now and you can get pickups that are much stronger than that, especially if you play it in 2nd or 4th position, and components are much better. BUT a more vintage-style pickup gives you more tonal range (ceramic magnet single coils seem to be the worst, cheapest option), so that's why amps became so important to gain/sustain apart from what the guitar can do on its own. The really important part is mid-range frequencies. Strats are naturally scooped, overdrive compression emphasises mid-range and thus you get longer overtones ie sustain. This is why humbuckers and P90's are popular, they are naturally more mid-rangey (that's a word!) with a bit more output than a single-coil pickup, so they're easier to dial in that sustain. On the other hand, humbuckers need a bit of help with treble tone and P90s are sort of in the middle tone-wise. But mid-range is really good in a live context, you don't want to sound like a cymbal or bass.

My take is, sure you can chase the goal of the most sustainy guitar ever or ... just get a compression pedal. I get ridiculous sustain from a compression pedal into a fuzz and/or amp modeller or just on its own, because I like to use split-coils on my SG too and it levels that up a bit, but even just a bridge pickup sounds great. A good compression pedal is "transparent", it doesn't push too much gain to affect your volume and doesn't chop your attack off (unless you want to squish the sound).

Lots of modeller amps these days subtly compress the signal anyway particularly on settings like "OD". Whatever you choose, your ears are a better guide than some website.

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Thanks much @Beatlebug and @ewe2! I've attempted to read the manual already, but it's a bit, erhh, amp jargon-y. a-hard-days-night-ringo-12 I'll try it again, though! john-lennon-salute_gif

Oohhhhhhhhhhhh, that makes sense, Beatlebug. paul-mccartney-thumb_gif I might have to try and take a picture of my gear, maybe tomorrow. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

Among the new thingies I got yesterday from the shop:

- Capo (A Kyser one)

- Polish

- Polishing cloth

- Cool thingy that has a twisty-bit for the tuning pegs, a string-pin-puller-thingy for acoustic guitar re-stringing, and a string cutter bit.

I also saw a very nice Jimi Hendrix Monterey Strat. And a resonator guitar. And a mandolin. Oh dear. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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Music shops, can lead to more junk! 

Just quickly back to sustain: I come from the bass side of things, so I know for instance that bigger gauge strings = more sustain also, but most people struggle with bends if you go too big on guitar, and that certainly goes for bass. Depends what you want to do with guitar, if you need really easy bends you might go with 9's. Sustain is also really important for bass playing, to get an even, strong note, again it depends what style you're playing. But I usually have some compression going just because bass doesn't need dynamics in the way a guitar does. 

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@WeepingAtlasCedars You're going to have to learn the language, I'm afraid (it is a very jargony language). I don't know of any better way to do that than to learn the terms and then hear how they sound, through a lot of playing around with manual in hand, though this guy does go over different types of reverb nicely.

https://youtu.be/0Ng8qHoMbu0


Sorry I can't be of more help. john-lennon-salute_gif

what ewe2 said.
Music shops, can lead to more junk! 

Back in my day, young whippersnapper, we used our fingers and a pair of pliers stolen from Silly Dad! You kids nowadays with all your fancy stuff a-hard-days-night-paul-5 *strokes nonexistent grey beard*

Seriously though, I understand about the 'Oh dear'. That's me every time I walk in the shop (though I only ever window-buy things, if you know what I mean a-hard-days-night-john-6). Last time I window-bought a David Bowie calendar, a (used) fancy red Precision Bass with a gold scratchplate, the entire vinyl section, and a ukulele or two a-hard-days-night-paul-7 (not to mention new picks, because they were out of my favourite kind -- and yes we guitarists get picky about picks a-hard-days-night-george-4).

String gauges. ahdn_george_01 Translation:
11 = Power Slinky: Dhani Harrison
10 = Regular Slinky: David Gilmour*, George Harrison , yours truly, most standard electric guitar string gauge
9 = Super Slinky: Jimmy Page

Just something to keep in mind if you're like me. john-lennon-salute_gif

*David doesn't actually use Ernie Ball strings; I'm just talking about gauges. However, the Harrison lads and Page actually did/do use the specified Ernie Balls.

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Beatlebug said

String gauges. ahdn_george_01 Translation:
11 = Power Slinky: Dhani Harrison
10 = Regular Slinky: David Gilmour*, George Harrison , yours truly, most standard electric guitar string gauge
9 = Super Slinky: Jimmy Page

And the rest, Jimmy's not alone there, don't forget Angus Young, Frank Zappa, and Jimi Hendrix! And it's true about gauges on LPs and SG's they're definitely more bendy on short-scale guitars compared to others. I know it's only an inch or so difference but it does make a difference. I'm almost dreading doing my first string change on Shona because the strings right now feel so good. I went with 10's on Sparky and he's less bendy but he's got nut/bridge issues anyway so until I do surgery he's going to be a bit less playable. I'm trying to imagine how hard those strings of Dhani might be on his dad's Tele (did he ever name it) or on Rocky or Lucy.

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^ I had 11s on Sadie until fairly recently (I still have 11s on Martin). They weren't that tough... or maybe I was just used to them. mccartney-shrug_01_gif

Anyway, today is my and Martin's three-year anniversary a-hard-days-night-george-9
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Most beautiful instrument. a-hard-days-night-paul-7 heart

Update: We had a short but really beautiful date. Really, it was everything you want a late-evening back-porch acoustic strumming session to be. Across The Universe was played twice. heart

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I'm not sure what "11s" are, I assume they are really thick strings? Once in a blue moon, I buy four strings (for my acoustic steel string guitar) that are so thick, the low E string can easily play an octave below a normal bottom E ! (That will come in handy next time I do this, when I aim to play along to 3 Dog Night's cover of Kevin Bowe's song, "Sault Ste. Marie" -- where the repeated guitar riff dips down to not a "drop D" but a literal "drop A" (octave below the lowest A on a guitar).

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@Pineapple Records, '11s' refers to the gauge of the highest E string, .011 inches. A standard set of electric guitar 11s (what Ernie Ball calls Power Slinkys) is 11-14-18-29-39-49. Acoustic sets will have that G string wound (I'm not sure what gauge, I haven't used them in a while).

They're a little bit thicker than the standard for electric guitars is 10s (10-13-17-26-36-46), but not that thick. 12s are standard on acoustic guitars. Stevie Ray Vaughn used 13s (he was utterly inhuman/had fingers of steel).

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Another thing Vaughn did was use an overdrive pedal, the much beloved Ibanez Tube Screamer, as a clean boost. He had his amp set to high gain on the edge of breaking up then roll his volume back so the tone wasn't distorted and he'd get those punchy highs from the Screamer. And then on top of that those monstrously big strings with the fat tone. With some fuzzes you can actually do the same thing if you have a compressor running into them.  When you have time, I highly recommend a look at the youtube channel That Pedal Show, you'll learn a lot about how amps and volume and pedals can all interact to your benefit.  A lot of pedals sound really different with Strats/Tele's compared to the humbucker SG's and LP's.

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I've recently been fascinated by the flute sound on a Mellotron and now I want one. NOW. a-hard-days-night-ringo-15 Of course, Paul famously plays the flute sound in the intro for Strawberry Fields Forever , and gives a demonstration in his Chaos and Creation At Abbey Road show. Another great use of it is in the Bee Gees song, Red Chair, Fade Away:

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Because we did our composition coursework on Apple Mac's, I was able to try out the flute and other Mellotron instrument sounds on Logic today when I popped for a few hours in to finish off my composition. All I can say is that the Mellotron is beautifully pleasing to the ears, and has that great psychedelic vibe to it. I WANT ONE SO BAD! paul-mccartney

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It is a nice and unique sound, but I wouldn't call it like a "flute". It's more like a recorder with a synthesizer twang to it.  I would be shocked if Donovan didn't use it in some of his songs, it seems perfect for his style.

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Mellotron flutes are so perfect with those chords, it's practically impossible to imagine doing anything else with it. Back to guitars, and I'm collecting more bits, got a beautiful leather strap for one of my basses from a local manufacturer (dslstraps.com.au) I came across by accident. I'll have to get one from them for one of the guitars. Also got a lovely Shubb S1 steel capo, but I'd like to get the brass one as well.

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So I went a bit mid-winter nutty down here and now I'm paying off a sonic blue G&L Tribute Fallout:

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Not that specific one, just a picture from ebay that's not as shiny as a lot of promo pictures for the sonic blue that washes out the colour a lot. I would have liked the Mint Green one but that's now hard to find in the Tribute line and it doesn't come with a maple fretboard which I wanted (since CITES hit, I'm a bit paranoid about rosewood and I don't have any maple fretboard guitars yet). But these are special guitars, custom pickups with amazing balance between the humbucker and the P90 and even more amazing balance with the coil-split humbucker by itself or with the P90. I don't know how they did this but my current theory is that the humbucker is made up of a strong coil and a slightly weaker coil and it's the strong coil that represents the coil-split. Normally when you coil-split a humbucker you lose lots of mid-range and a little volume with the added problem that our ears perceive more mid-range as louder. It's the same thing when you put two pickups out of phase with each other, it scoops the mid-range and you perceive that as lower volume. Anyway, this guitar has fantastic range for tones, it's a lot like a Tele that way, it can do that twang, it can do good distortion and fuzz, it can do jazzy roundness (yes Tele's do that), its a slab with a neck, just a bit smaller than a Tele, it'll be a fantastic reggae axe.

This should ease my GAS for something with a P90 in it..maybe...for now. I have resolved that should I wish for another guitar I should get myself a fretless Jazz bass first; I have a terrible fretless that I've resolved to junk and I should at least get a good 3rd bass before I think of another guitar: at this stage it looks like being a Strat of some sort, because I think the Fallout can do a Tele already. The bass I have in mind is the Harley Benton Jazz Fretless of course, it looks and sounds amazing too. The Strat, I'm hemming and hawing about that. Fender is just completely out of reach for me, Squire is rapidly becoming not much better, and I don't really want to have to go with its lower-end range just for a headstock decal. Fortunately, most of the world makes Strat-like guitars so there are a lot of choices out there! Currently waiting to hear back from these guys about freight and stuff because the rest of the hardware looks great for the price, and they do sell internationally. Oh, and their pickups are very well-regarded too! The relic-ing seems a bit silly though.

edited: meant coil-split throughout.

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And here it is...

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Very pretty, sounds amazing. It's so completely different to the SG in several ways, from the neck to the response. I may not need another guitar (who am I kidding) a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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So pretty @ewe2, congratulations!

You know what they say:
if x = amount of guitar a guitarist needs, and
y = amount of guitars a guitarist has, then
x = y + 1

This equation is always true no matter the value of x mccartney-shrug_01_gif

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I forgot to post a picture of my new guitar that replaced my precious Martin that burned in a cabin fire. 

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These are stock photos but it is this model. I think its a great guitar!

I’ve been playing a lot of electric guitar as of late studying jazz in school. Great fun. 

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I should revise my earlier statements about the Fallout being a Tele, not quite. It can mimic a Tele but it can also mimic some Strat tones with some clean boost. I'm a big fan of the tone that David Byrne consistently had on Talking Heads records, and the Fallout can do that (like a 4th position sound between the two pickups but also a 2nd position sound with the bridge pickup split), and with the bridge split alone get a Tele-like twang, and at the other, P90 end, a warm yet clear sound thicker than a normal single coil, it's hard to describe. That's a lot for one guitar to do. On the not so good side, it's clear that humbuckers drive many pedals in different ways to single-coils which means I have to...buy more pedals! I do need a better overdrive sound than I'm currently getting at the very least. Also, the string tension is a bit higher with this style, I'm adapting to it ok though, I did get a bit spoiled by the SG's generally lower tension. I'm going to stick with 3 guitars for now, I still need to upgrade the SG Junior anyway.

My next task is to acquire a JC-22 amp which will give an awesome chorus sound, lots of good connection options and a nice clean amplification for pedals to play with.

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I haven’t been on here in forever. *dusts off book of guitar-things I’ve done since I disappeared into the void* 

Well, I got a new axe! She’s some type of Fender acoustic (I should know, I know) and she sounds AMAZING! Not better than my electric, of course. a-hard-days-night-john-6 But a brighter, clearer tone than the Duosonic. 

Also, she remains nameless. Any suggestions are welcome.

On that note, another music thing I’ve been up to is rehearsing a song I’m going to sing to audition for District Chorus in my, eh, district. It’s a good song, and I’ll get a chance to show off some high notes, so I think I might just get in this year. 

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Fender Acoustic DG60

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Looks very clean awesome!

Well, the model is DG60 - taking the letters 'dg', I get the name 'Douglas'. Good idea? Probably not. But that's my suggestion!

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