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The Foreign Language Thread
28 October 2015
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Ahhh Girl said
Is "shhhhhh" known to library patrons across the world?

Library schmibrary - it's well known in my living room! Zag is grateful for the rewind button on the remote.

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Is "shhhhhh" known to library patrons across the world?

Library schmibrary - it's well known in my living room! Zag is grateful for the rewind button on the remote.

The more I hear about Zag the more I can't wait to meet her.

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Is "shhhhhh" known to library patrons across the world?

My librarian tells me to "shut up ASJ and stop bringing your friends here". 

I've known her since I was 3 so I think it's a pretty casual relationship.

 

At another library, I get "Ciúnas"- "quiet" (pronounced q-ness) whisper-yelled at me. 

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I swear this is the last of my posts at 3am...

 

I fell in love with a French comedy series called 'Bref'- it roughly means 'In Few Words', whenever you want to say something without really going into massive detail of it you say 'bref'. It's little shorts between 1-2 minutes long about a middle-aged man coming to terms with life and all of the events that occur in between birth and death. It's very funny, I think. It would work really well in English during ad breaks so I wonder why it was never brought over but anyways.

The narrator speaks very fast so especially if you're only a beginner French speaker, I wouldn't worry about not picking up everything he says. In this episode he goes to see a psychiatrist

 

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applescruffjunior, what would happen if I combined, French, Irish and German in a blender? What would the new combined language look like?

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applescruffjunior, what would happen if I combined, French, Irish and German in a blender? What would the new combined language look like?

It would probably be pretty guttural if you combined German and Irish together, then French would smooth it out a bit so it wouldn't be as thick as Russian, there would still be quite a bit of hocking required though.

It would have about 20 tenses and you would only ever need about 6 of them but there would be 20 that you would have to learn because f**k you (thanks French).

Spelling would be all over the place and there would be a lot of silent letters that make no sense as to why they are there (Irish and French).

All nouns would have genders (from the three of them), only masculine and feminine though (no neutral sorry German) but thanks to German it'd be easier to identify what gender each noun is just from the look of it.

Word order would be completely different from the English word order. The verb would always come first in the sentences (German and Irish) and adjectives would always follows the noun (Irish and the majority-of-the-time French).

 

It would be a very popular language (French and German) but barely anyone from outside of its home country would want to learn it (Irish).

Think of it as like Italian (even though I plan on learning Italian in college ahdn_paul_01).

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applescruffjunior, what would happen if I combined, French, Irish and German in a blender? What would the new combined language look like?

It would probably be pretty guttural if you combined German and Irish together, then French would smooth it out a bit so it wouldn't be as thick as Russian, there would still be quite a bit of hocking required though.

That got me wondering about Russian since I have a friend who knows Russian and French so I asked her about combining them and she said:

Probably something similar to Russian, but with more articles. Russian already probably took some things from French. French used to be the language of the elite back in monarchial days. The words for 'you' (singular informal, and singular formal/plural) are almost the same (ti/vi vs tu/vous).

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^The vast majority of European languages have been influenced by another language, it's inevitable.

Even Irish which has only ever been spoken predominately on one large island and a few minor languages has been influenced by French, stealing 'garcon', 'boy' and changing it to 'gasúr/garsún' in Irish, 'chambre' for 'room' into 'seomra' in Irish etc.

Hell, Irish has even put words into the English language like 'boreen', 'bog', 'banshee', 'brogue', 'slogan' and 'whiskey' to name but a few.

 

Language is continuously evolving and being changed by external influences, it's what makes it so damn interesting.

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^The vast majority of European languages have been influenced by another language, it's inevitable.

Even Irish which has only ever been spoken predominately on one large island and a few minor languages has been influenced by French, stealing 'garcon', 'boy' and changing it to 'gasúr/garsún' in Irish, 'chambre' for 'room' into 'seomra' in Irish etc.

Hell, Irish has even put words into the English language like 'boreen', 'bog', 'banshee', 'brogue', 'slogan' and 'whiskey' to name but a few.

 

Language is continuously evolving and being changed by external influences, it's what makes it so damn interesting.

All of those languages are part of the same Indo-European language family. It would probably be a lot different if some isolated long dead languages were put in the mix.

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^ Definitely but it is still pretty damn interesting, how language evolves over time.

This was English 500 years ago:

 

Since what I am to say must be but that
Which contradicts my accusation and
The testimony on my part no other
But what comes from myself, it shall scarce boot me
To say 'not guilty:' mine integrity
Being counted falsehood, shall, as I express it,
Be so received. But thus: if powers divine
Behold our human actions, as they do,
I doubt not then but innocence shall make
False accusation blush and tyranny
Tremble at patience. You, my lord, best know,

 

This was English just over a 1000 years ago

 

HWÆT, WE GAR-DEna in geardagum,
þeodcyninga þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon!
oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
monegum mægþum meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas, syððanærest wearð
feasceaft funden; he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum weorðmyndum þah,
oð þæt him æghwylc ymbsittendra
ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan; þæt wæs god cyning!
Ðæm eafera wæs æfter cenned
geong in geardum, þone God sende
folce to frofre; fyrenðearfe ongeat,
þe hie ær drugon aldorlease
lange hwile; him þæs Liffrea,
wuldres Wealdend woroldare forgeaf,
Beowulf wæs breme --- blæd wide sprang---
Scyldes eafera Scedelandum in.
Swa sceal geong guma gode gewyrcean,
fromum feohgiftumon fæder bearme,

 

To understand the 500 year old text, you would need a good standard of English, patience and a reasonable vocabulary, whereas looking at the 1000 year old text well....it speaks for itself I think.

Even just looking at the two, the jump in 500 years between Beowulf and 'The Winter's Tale' is incredible!

A thousand years isn't that long when you look at how long the earth has been here so it's amazing how much we've progressed between now and then!

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^ Definitely but it is still pretty damn interesting, how language evolves over time.

Is language evolution speeding up or slowing down?

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^ Definitely but it is still pretty damn interesting, how language evolves over time.

Is language evolution speeding up or slowing down?

I wouldn't be qualified to answer that but I think it definitely is evolving at quite a rapid rate.

Just look at 'slang' words now 'lol', 'bae', 'u mad bro?' and 'noob', new verbs like 'to troll' and 'to G/google', they have all become part of the today's vernacular.

 

Every couple of weeks you hear of new words being picked up like 'on fleek' last year and sometimes they die a sad death (like 'on fleek') or they get picked up and continue to thrive in daily-speech.

If anything in the future, English, will probably become more 'txt-spk' like than it is now cutting out unnecessary characters 'night' becoming 'nite' etc. to make it easier to pronounce and to learn for foreign-speakers.

Something I find interesting is the idea of 'Cut Spelling' i.e. taking out unnecessary extra letters- generally vowels and silent letters out of words to make it easier to spell. Here are some examples:

Th Space Race was th competition between th United States and th Soviet Union, rufly from 1957 to 1975. It involvd th efrts by each of these nations to explor outr space with satlites, to be th 1st to send there a human being and to send mand and unmand missions on th Moon with a safe return of th humans to Erth.

Tho its roots lie in erly roket tecnolojy and in th intrnationl tensions foloing World War II, th Space Race efectivly began with th soviet launch of Sputnik 1 on 4 october 1957. Th term orijnated as an analojy to th arms race. Th Space Race became an importnt part of th cultrl and tecnolojicl rivalry between th USSR and th U.S. during th Cold War. Space tecnolojy became a particularly importnt arena in this conflict, both because of its military applications and du to th sycolojicl benefit of rasing morale.

 

English is well overdue for a spelling-reform so we'll have to see if it ever happens and if so what'll change in the language.

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I would suggest that language is devolving rather than evolving because of text speech. I found your examples of "cut spelling" almost unreadable, @AppleScruffJunior. It may make sense to you, but to me it's almost gobbledygook. If I had a penny for every time I've had to google a bit of text speech someone's used here, I'd have at least a couple of quid...

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This is doubleplusgood! Allows Plusgoodthinkful! Speedful transision to Newspeak!

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I would suggest that language is devolving rather than evolving because of text speech. I found your examples of "cut spelling" almost unreadable, AppleScruffJunior. It may make sense to you, but to me it's almost gobbledygook.

Hmm that's very interesting, it really is just removing vowels and silent letters.

 

Anybody doing a thesis in linguistics, there's a good idea. Looking at 'cut spelling' and the ability of each age bracket to read it.

Can someone show it to a child ( @Beatlebug  does Little Girl want to take part in an experiment?) and see if they can read it.

 

Rokets hav intrestd sientists and amatrs for at least 2,100 years, and Blak Chinese soldirs used them as wepns as erly as th 11th century. Russian sientist Konstantin Tsiolkovsky theorized in th 1880s on multi-staje, liquid fuel rokets which myt reach space, but only in 1926 did th americn Robert Goddard desyn a practicl liquid-fuel roket.

 

^ Obviously a 6-8 year old wouldn't know all of the words there but they should be able to read a good chunk of the last sentence in that short paragraph:

"liquid fuel rockets which might reach space, but only in 1926 did the American Robert Goddard design a practical liquid-fuel rocket".

 

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Why is "the" shortened to "th"? Does it take too much time away from Facebook to type the extra 'e'? Stop being so bloody lazy and start spelling properly. 

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Rokets hav intrestd sientists and amatrs for at least 2,100 years, and Blak Chinese soldirs used them as wepns as erly as th 11th century. Russian sientist Konstantin Tsiolkovsky theorized in th 1880s on multi-staje, liquid fuel rokets which myt reach space, but only in 1926 did th americn Robert Goddard desyn a practicl liquid-fuel roket.

 

^ Obviously a 6-8 year old wouldn't know all of the words there but they should be able to read a good chunk of the last sentence in that short paragraph:

"liquid fuel rockets which might reach space, but only in 1926 did the American Robert Goddard design a practical liquid-fuel rocket".

I wonder if this could be shortened further by changing the way Q works so that it doesn't need a U attached? So liquid an become liqid. If the goal is to make the language more effective then the whole Q can't make a sound with out U can be done away with.

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Why is "the" shortened to "th"? Does it take too much time away from Facebook to type the extra 'e'? Stop being so bloody lazy and start spelling properly. 

E is pointless in th so might as well do away with it and make th the new proper word.

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Why is "the" shortened to "th"? Does it take too much time away from Facebook to type the extra 'e'? Stop being so bloody lazy and start spelling properly. 

It's all about making the English language as efficient as possible.

 

Although, I don't think we'd ever cut down this much in spelling not in the next 100 years or so anyways. There will always be purists, like 'Académie francaise' in France, who would resist any big changes to the language so we needn't worry too much about it.

 

Although, God help any teacher in the next 20 years, the majority of people in my town didn't get internet until the late 2000's so my year in school got past basic English spelling classes without the manipulation of the internet but I'd hate to say how teenagers in 2030's, 2040's will spell, if social media is still as rampant then as it is now ahdn_paul_02.

 

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Although, I don't think we'd ever cut down this much in spelling not in the next 100 years or so anyways. There will always be purists, like 'Académie francaise' in France, who would resist any big changes to the language so we needn't worry too much about it.

Some of this already happened with thou/you thing

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