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21 July 2017
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Dark Overlord said:
that's a nice video but it's flawed

The video is not flawed at all. It's a 10 minute explanation on how to play a few chords. It's very well explained, by the way.

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Most guitarists rarely barre their dominant 7th chords with an A string root [...]
look at this example to see how us rock guitarists like to use our dominant 7th's.
F7 (x8786x) x4 <<< hmmm...do you realize, by the way, that that's a dominant 7th chord with an A string root???
A#7 (68679x) x2
F7 (x8786x) x2
C7 (8108911x) x2
A#2 (68679x) x2

Now, let's use your very same example , all with 7th chords with an A string root, for simplicity sake. Using C7 shape, which is the one you used for the F7 chord.
F7 (x8786x) x4
A#7 (x13121311x) x2
F7 (x8786x) x2
C7 (x32310) x2
A#7 (x13121311x) x2
...et voilà.
You're welcome stuart-sutcliffe

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It's all a question of sound at the end of the day, there is no right or wrong way to play a chord. Some guitarists play full barre chords, others not. Likewise there are plenty of guitarists who mainly stick to open chords. 

These are the chords I use most often as barre variations in the key of C:

Cmaj (8 10 10 9 8 8)

Cmin (8 10 10 8 8 8)

C7 (8 10 8 9 8 8)

Cmaj7 (8 10 9 9 8 8), although I prefer this shape (3 3 5 4 5 3 3) - I don't mind including the low G note by the way.

Cmin7 (8 10 8 8 8 8), or this shape (3 3 5 3 4 3) - G low note again

I don't really think about things like sus chords because they occur naturally when playing by simply adding, moving or removing fingers from chords. 

I do use other chords, like dim, aug or 9th and 6th chords but not very often. I think of these chords as more transitional. 

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21 July 2017
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I like to know how to play them in different ways. For example, knowing C like (x3555x) (81010988) and (x32010).

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21 July 2017
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Flyingbrians said
It's all a question of sound at the end of the day, there is no right or wrong way to play a chord. Some guitarists play full barre chords, others not. Likewise there are plenty of guitarists who mainly stick to open chords. 

These are the chords I use most often as barre variations in the key of C:

Cmaj (8 10 10 9 8 8)

Cmin (8 10 10 8 8 8)

C7 (8 10 8 9 8 8)

Cmaj7 (8 10 9 9 8 8), although I prefer this shape (3 3 5 4 5 3 3) - I don't mind including the low G note by the way.

Cmin7 (8 10 8 8 8 8), or this shape (3 3 5 3 4 3) - G low note again

I don't really think about things like sus chords because they occur naturally when playing by simply adding, moving or removing fingers from chords. 

I do use other chords, like dim, aug or 9th and 6th chords but not very often. I think of these chords as more transitional.   

I enjoy writing these chords into progressions. 

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21 July 2017
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How do you insert diminished and augmented chords into your progressions, i can understand 6th and 9th chords but those other 2 seem difficult to add.

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21 July 2017
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Listen to Isn't It A Pity . Its a beautiful use of a diminished chord. Also Warm And Beautiful by Wings with the augmented chord. 

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21 July 2017
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@sir walter raleigh said
Listen to Isn't It A Pity . Its a beautiful use of a diminished chord. Also Warm And Beautiful by Wings with the augmented chord.   

I don't understand all this guitar stuff, but those are both great songs that I recommend everyone listens to.

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21 July 2017
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I didn't say that, @sir walter raleigh did.

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21 July 2017
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@Dark Overlord said
I didn't say that, @sir walter raleigh did.  

Oops. My bad. I suppose it's not hard to mix up gettingbetter and stupidget.

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21 July 2017
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Do you guys have anything else that you'd like me to cover regarding songwriting and or arrangement.

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24 July 2017
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Dark Overlord said
How do you insert diminished and augmented chords into your progressions, i can understand 6th and 9th chords but those other 2 seem difficult to add.  

If i'm honest I just try messing around with different dimished or augmented chords in each key until I find one that fits. I haven't spent the time to learn the theory behind them so someone else would probably need to elaborate on that. Songs that have dimished or augumented songs seem to be mostly piano based, probably because they are harder to play on guitar. God Only Knows or Life on Mars are good examples.

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Do you guys have anything else that you'd like me to cover regarding songwriting and or arrangement.  

I'd like to hear your thoughts on writing lyrics, if that's something you do paul-mccartney-thumb_gif

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24 July 2017
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If there's 2 things that i suck at, it's working with other people in a band and writing lyrics. If i were going to make an album, it'd probably be an instrumental album with all of the tracks recorded and if i decided to have vocals, i'd probably have someone else write and record the vocals. However, i can elaborate on diminished chords for you, they're minor chords with a flattened fifth, so instead of (x7998x), you'd do (x7898x).

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24 July 2017
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The theory behind diminished chords is rather simple. In a major scale, the vii is diminished, and in a minor scale the ii is diminished, although for relative minor and major these chords are the same. It also sounds good to use a diminished version of the root chord, as it does with an augmented chord. 

Heres a song a wrote last year that uses a lot of diminished chords. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yfo1.....a.wav?dl=0

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24 July 2017
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Thanks for elaborating, i'll try and see if I can include them more. I did wonder why some diminished/aug chords were in the root.

Nice song by the way @sir walter raleigh, I love those jazzy vibes a-hard-days-night-george-9

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25 July 2017
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25 July 2017
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That's very interesting, i'm not going to participate in it but i wouldn't mind helping out someone who would.

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Please do record an album, @Dark Overlord ! You obviously know a great deal that would turn out very nicely on an instrumental guitar album.

Now, I'm wondering if someone can help me with a chord progression I'm working on. I read that seventh chords (as illustrated in this video) create really dreamy sounds which is what I've been trying to achieve so I've been writing songs based around those two chords (Fmaj7 and Cmaj7). However, I can't seem to make the song go anywhere else and still sound good. Can anyone help me? 

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You probably won't be able to solely use maj7 chords for the entire song. I recommend trying some minor chords, maybe even some plain Major chords as well (and if you're feeling adventurous, sus4).

And as it's definitely in C Major or A minor, so I recommend some A minor chords somewhere in there.

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Haha, whenever I come up with chord progressions they usually have far more maj7s than is good for them. I have an unhealthy love for maj7s. a-hard-days-night-john-6 apple01

I've also been fiddling with a thing around Cmaj7 and Fmaj7... it's just such a suggestive couple of chords. I put other chords in there as well, though. I like Fmaj7 and Am7 together...

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Interesting ideas @QuarryMan making an instrumental album sounds fun, i'll think about it. As for that progression, try adding more chords to it, maybe a Am or a G.

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