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Neither, i was responding to 50yearslate.

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QuarryMan said

Fantastic show. I love the US one more, but the UK one is unrivalled in how beautifully uncomfortable its humour is.

It was groundbreaking for TV. And having the camera be an additional character. (Also used to good effect in Albert Brooks’ 1979 “Real Life.") The US version was great, too. Steve Carell perfected the role of Michael Scott - irreplaceable.

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Yep, the US version definitely went downhill after Michael left. 

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Yep, the US version definitely went downhill after Michael left. 

  

It did for sure. I’ve been rewatching it and while they’re not as bad as I remember there was definitely a drop in quality. Especially with all the confusing and unnecessary relationship drama.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I watched all of The Office (US) because my friend was a huge fan and I thought "what the heck." I didn't like it at first because I'm not a big fan of cringe-comedy, but I eventually warmed up to it and yeah, I too, was not a fan when Michael left. I also watched The Office (UK) a little bit (just to see Martin Freeman in it......I'm a huge Sherlock fan....) but stopped because the cringe-comedy of that version was on a whole other level and while it was definitely more cleverly done than the US version, I personally couldn't stand it. 

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8a-hard-days-night-ringo-8I watched all of The Office (US) because my friend was a huge fan and I thought "what the heck." I didn't like it at first because I'm not a big fan of cringe-comedy, but I eventually warmed up to it and yeah, I too, was not a fan when Michael left. I also watched The Office (UK) a little bit (just to see Martin Freeman in it......I'm a huge Sherlock fan....) but stopped because the cringe-comedy of that version was on a whole other level and while it was definitely more cleverly done than the US version, I personally couldn't stand it. 

  

I mean, it’s a really funny show, but it makes me want to rip my hair out about half the time. That’s why I like Parks and Rec better. But they’re both great shows.

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Plus, the US version has the god tier of sitcom will-they-won't-they romance stories in Jim and Pam beatlemaniacs_02_gifbeatlemaniacs_02_gif

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Which was nowhere near as good as the UK's original will-they-won't-they romance of Tim and Dawn...

The US Office was a bad imitation that went downhill quickly after they ran out of Ricky Gervais' original scripts.

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Personally, I don't think that Tim and Dawn had nearly as much chemistry as Jim and Pam, and given that the show only lasted two seasons (I think) they didn't have as much time to properly develop the characters and their relationship...

... also I completely disagree on the second point, given that the first season of the US Office (which was the one most heavily based on the UK version) wasn't nearly as successful or popular as the few seasons that came immediately after. My personal favourite episodes (The Job, Dinner Party, Threat Level Midnight, Goodbye Toby) are all original episodes written for the US show. It really took off once it found its own voice, in my opinion, and stopped directly mimicking its predecessor. You can see this in how they treated Michael - at first the character is basically an irredeemable annoyance with the same sort of uncomfortable humour as Gervais' Brent, but this didn't come across well with American audiences, so starting with season 2 Michael's character starts to become a lot more vulnerable and human, and you actually start rooting for him. 

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Plus, the US version has the god tier of sitcom will-they-won't-they romance stories in Jim and Pam beatlemaniacs_02_gifbeatlemaniacs_02_gif

  

Not to mention Dwight and Angela... and Andy and Erin...

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The philosophy of what shows you like? I guess we can contrast the two shows and see what it says about British vs American mind set. House of Cards can be included in that.

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House of Lies with Don Cheadle > House of Cards with Kevin Spacey

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The Office is great, but Parks and Rec is better because the humor is less mean. Like, Jim’s pranks are funny, but I feel really bad for Dwight. Whereas the only really mean humor in Parks and Rec is the Jerry humor, but they totally made up for that with his family and the ending.

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The Office is great, but Parks and Rec is better because the humor is less mean. Like, Jim’s pranks are funny, but I feel really bad for Dwight. Whereas the only really mean humor in Parks and Rec is the Jerry humor, but they totally made up for that with his family and the ending.

  

I personally have a lot of fun with the Jim-Dwight relationship dynamic and its humor, but yeah I agree about how mean it is a lot of the time. I also agree that Parks and Rec is the best. I love all the characters (especially April and Andy heart)  and the humor. Parks and Rec is also an overall more positive and wholesome show that I overall enjoy more than the office

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50yearslate said

The Office is great, but Parks and Rec is better because the humor is less mean. Like, Jim’s pranks are funny, but I feel really bad for Dwight. Whereas the only really mean humor in Parks and Rec is the Jerry humor, but they totally made up for that with his family and the ending.

  

I personally have a lot of fun with the Jim-Dwight relationship dynamic and its humor, but yeah I agree about how mean it is a lot of the time. I also agree that Parks and Rec is the best. I love all the characters (especially April and Andy heart)  and the humor. Parks and Rec is also an overall more positive and wholesome show that I overall enjoy more than the office

  

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Anyway, to get this more on topic. I was looking at Canadian politics and saw they still have a governor general which could potentially have some influence in their government. What are your thoughts on a foreign power having a direct role in an independent nations politics?

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Hmmm...... Well, in the case of Canada, the governor general's role is mainly ceremonial, from what I know (swearing-in PM, reading speeches, etc.), but they also have the power to summon and/or dissolve Parliament, as a representative of the Crown. Plus, the GG isn't always British and has been Canadian and French-Canadian GGs, so it's not like its always a pure Brit infringing into the Canadian government. It seems like more a traditional role than anything, representing something ingrained in Canadian governmental culture as well as peaceful relations between the ex-Mother Country. 

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Which foreign power would that be, @Starr Shine? ?

Canada retains the Queen as constitutional head of State, the Governor General acts as her representative and proxy, fulfilling the roles she does within the United Kingdom parliament - such as giving royal assent to bills that have passed, reading the speech that opens Parliament, etc. The Governor General is appointed by the Queen of Canada on the advice of the Canadian Prime Minister, so I fail to see what foreign power has a direct role in the governance of Canada.

In fact, there are 16 countries who retain the Queen as their head of State -- aside from the United Kingdom, there is Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, Belize, Barbados, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, The Bahamas and Tuvalu. And, aside from the United Kingdom, where she fulfils the role herself because she is present in the country, all have a Governor General who acts in her place, and all are appointed on the advice of the leader of the Government of that country.

The United Kingdom, political or otherwise, has NO SAY in the appointment of Governor Generals in any other nation that retains the Queen as head of State.

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The recent Harry and Megan debacle has further diminished my interests in the Royal Family's continuation as a part of the UK constitution. 

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I think we should just abandon countries as we know it today and submit ourselves to international law. If it's okay to do it in Canada, then there should be nothing wrong with doing it in Saudi Arabia and if there is something wrong with doing it in Saudi Arabia, then it's wrong to do it in Canada.

For example, no one thinks that smoking marijuana is only okay if done in Canada, select US states (plus Washington DC), Uruguay, the Netherlands, South Africa, and Canberra. So why should it be perfectly legal to have a pot brownie in Toronto but not in London?

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