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You've also got to take into account it's not just unemployed people looking for work. What you've actually got is the total number of employed + unemployed workers/the number of jobs available. 

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You've also got to take into account it's not just unemployed people looking for work. What you've actually got is the total number of employed + unemployed workers/the number of jobs available. 

  

This is very true. For example, my dad and half of the staff at his work are all looking for jobs... But they're all employed. But I'd make one amendment:

total number of employed workes that are looking for an alternative job + unemployed workers/the number of jobs available. 

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I know several families where 3 generations have never done a day's work in their lives.......Suckling at the UK Nanny States' teat gets them by very nicely.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Anecdote vs data, everyone. 

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Anecdote vs data, everyone. 

  

Personal experiences......First hand knowledge of these families.......You can dismiss my honest observations if you want as either untruthful or only amounting to nothing more than a pile of beans and in any case..... who gives a monkeys??

Very sad actually.......To get those 3 generations in so early firstly daughter and then daughter's daughter fell for early teenage pregnancies......Then either pretend, or state truthfully that  the fathers have deserted you and the State will set you up in a cosy council house and pay all your bills.......All you've got to worry about is your booze, baccy and your Sky rental. Oh and keeping on the right side of any cursory assessments by social services.......

This type of cynical abuse of the system is practised extensively in the UK...It isn't much talked about or admitted to in the media....Though the most stunning abuses sometimes make the tabloids........Never ever admitted to in Parliament...... that repository of vote counting and tearful compassion. 

I'm not surprised no one here mentioned this type of activity in their myriad of possible reasons......A truth that dare not speak its name........The professional parasites....

They live and breath amongst us......

God knows what that one family has cost the British taxpayer over 3 generations?

 

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I know several families where 3 generations have never done a day's work in their lives.......Suckling at the UK Nanny States' teat gets them by very nicely.

  

The Royal family?

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When civil servants and politicians work to devise policy that impacts the lives of tens of millions of people, they typically take into account more than their personal experiences. They use peer reviewed, academic literature from research institutions. Your observations might be indicative of a broader social trend, sure, but it's much more convincing when you argue from the perspective of data collected nationwide (as you did earlier in the thread) than from personal experience, which is subjective to so many different things. 

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I know several families where 3 generations have never done a day's work in their lives.......Suckling at the UK Nanny States' teat gets them by very nicely.

  

The Royal family?

  

Omg, how dare you? Like they bother to do army work, and I heard Kate Middleton worked in her parents’ business for like a year, with her degree in art history.

 

Tbf, Princess Anne deserves every penny she gets, the woman is non-stop, Charles as well. The rest can take a hike. Looking at recent figures I think Kate had worked about 50 events this year (you can do multiple events in one day). 

Of course, the royal watchers know they increase their “workload” A TON at the end of the year to bring up their total events done for the end of the year.

 

I’m not saying go pure Bolshevik but get rid of the minors at the very least, bye Andrew, Edward, Sophie, Harry, Meghan, other Edward the Kent one, Richard, Birgitte and Alexandra, (hands up how many of you didn’t know there were that many “working royals” outside the direct line?).

 

I love how when the Cambridge kids are all in school, the taxpayer will be paying £60,000+ per year for them to go to primary school. Wouldn’t it be lovely if all British children had that opportunity, I’m sure a family with a rescue pilot dad and a woman who worked in a shop?? (10 points to anyone who can find out what Kate Middleton actually did before she got married) could totally afford that if they didn’t have HRHs before their names.

 

The way I bang on about them, you’d think my taxes were going to them, thankfully not, I’m too busy spending €54m on voting machines that would never be used and then sold for scrap at €9 each, yeehaw! 

 

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When civil servants and politicians work to devise policy that impacts the lives of tens of millions of people, they typically take into account more than their personal experiences. They use peer reviewed, academic literature from research institutions. Your observations might be indicative of a broader social trend, sure, but it's much more convincing when you argue from the perspective of data collected nationwide (as you did earlier in the thread) than from personal experience, which is subjective to so many different things. 

  

Absolutely....Goes without saying.......

But first-hand knowledge in the context of this discussion was worth relating in my opinion......

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As for the Royal Family?

I think Edward has already opted out and doesn't get anything from the civil list.....

Only to the extent that the Queen's work load can be shared out should the others receive any dosh......

But even the lowest Royals have contributed more to the nation than the family I cited.....Unless getting fat on pringles and working on that permanent indentation on the sofa while watching daytime tv counts as a contribution.....

I'm not sure what will happen when the Queen goes......?

After the Queen Harry was number 1 for me, a good bloke did his bit in Afghanistan but he's dropped in the polls recently.....Will Meghan be to the Royal's what arguably Yoko was to our Fab family?

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I thought Meghan was quite popular? I could be wrong though, I'm a rabid republican myself. 

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Looking from the outside in she's getting a very mixed response. I think she's liked far more in the US than she is in the UK and I think a lot of that primarily comes from the feeling of infiltration from an American woman into the British royal family (very little to do with her racial background). She is very much American, the way she dresses, talks, holds herself- it's quite jarring in-comparison to the aristocracy and what is 'expected' of 'royals'.

 

I don't particularly like her, I think she's very attention-seeking and wanting to be on a public platform, yet only wants the most positive things that comes with being a celebrity sorry royal. 

Some of the things she's done that's stirred the soup of the media (Harry is also partially to blame of course):

 

1. She's changed fun-loving, partying, Nazi uniform wearing, cheeky chappy Harry. He's now become more neil-aspinall flat and bland in his media portrayals rather than the joking, laughing fella he was before he got married (no insult to darling Neil of course). 

2. Her incredibly expensive wardrobe, where she also wears very little British designers. She's married into the British family, she needs to be supporting local industries not US brands which she adores and French designers for evening wear. She spent AT LEAST £450,000 on clothes in 2018 (this is assuming she's buying at retail price which is unlikely but £400,000 would be around the ballpark as there are a number of custom-made items that we'll never get a figure for). You wouldn't mind but for the amount of money she's spent on clothes, a lot of them look awful- they're not tailored, don't flatter her figure and are disgusting colours. She also wore summer clothes during winter which is odd, see her visiting the nursing home video below.

 

3. Tabloid rumours about making Kate cry, blah, blah- unprovable so we'll skip them

4. This is the one that started me off disliking her: She wore a coat to Eugenie's wedding, but had left the buttons open bar the top two, hinting that there was a bump or something stopping her from closing them or that would make her uncomfortable. Eugenie had to push her wedding back because of Harry preceding her in importance. Meghan then goes to Eugenie's wedding wearing a coat that she knew would start pregnancy rumours, when she could have very easily worn a different coat.

Taking the spotlight off a bride is unforgivable especially because Eugenie had to push her own wedding back so Harry and Meghan could get the summer wedding date. 

5. Then a few days after Eugenie's wedding, they announce Meghan is pregnant, and we're told she announced the pregnancy at Eugenie's wedding?!?!?? Even if it were only to the other royals and not the guests, it's a big middle-finger to Eugenie and is so, so rude. 

6. She then goes on her tour of Australia with Harry and we see 'the bump'.....except, you'd need a magnifying glass to see it, there was no need to announce it so prematurely. 

Showing there was no need for the coat and it was a desperate attention-grab as is typical with Meghan.

7. The bump holding, oh, the bump holding, was the woman's hand glued to her stomach, who knows? But it's not even the fact some form of adhesive was used but rather the way she would throw the coat she was wearing back so everyone could see the bump and her holding it. 

Mmmmm attention.

8. The whole secrecy around the baby (and I know this annoyed the media as well, I don't think she understands you have to treat them nicely, for them to treat you nicely, they can and will ruin you, if they don't like you):

- No we're not announcing when or where he's going to be born

-Now that he's born, we're not going to tell you where he was born

-We're going to announce that she's in labour and had gone into labour "early in the morning" at 1pm. 

-An hour later we're going to announce the baby is here and is actually already a few hours old

-No, she's not going to do the typical showing-off of the baby, you'll get photos in a few days time.

-Now it's a few days later, we're not actually really going to show you the baby and if you ask for a closer look we'll just slant him at a slight angle that doesn't help whatsoever

-No, you're not allowed to film us going into the christening, it's a 'private affair' and we don't care if every other royal has done it, he's a 'private citizen'.

-No, we're not going to tell you who the godparents are, it's 'private'.

They're all taking and not giving. Actually doing all of the above is good PR for you and makes you more likeable. 

9. 9. 9. 9. (only Beatles reference you'll get in this list): She comes off a bit rude at times, like her running away from this event practically, especially after she had just been given a gift

10. Wimbledon, 'the Duchess is here in a private capacity!' scandal, whereby a man who was taking a selfie by the court was told not to take photos of Meghan because she's there privately. God help her when she finds out she was on television! 

And also the rows of seats she had cleared around her- don't you hate it when your tennis is ruined by plebs?

10. The 'rule for thee but not for me' tripe. Constant banging on about climate change (by mostly Harry not her) and then flying off on private jets to Ibiza, Nice etc. Then having your celebrity friends come to your defence saying they paid for your flight to make it carbon neutral (isn't that nice lads, we can just pay our emissions away!).

11. Employees constantly leaving them within a few weeks/months of being hired, and employees that have been there for years, leaving within a few months of Meghan marrying-in.

12. The celebrity photos of Archie, you want privacy for the child and say he's a 'private citizen'...so like....I don't know....maybe don't put attention-seeking photos of his feet on Instagram? Or his face half-obscured. It just reflects badly on you.

 

There are many, many, many, many more points I could go into, just can't be bothered typing them but a lot of her and Harry's negative press is brought on by themselves. I imagine as Archie gets older, it should cool down a lot more...I don't think it can get much worse to be honest, nearly every tabloid I see on the stands has a negative opinion on them and for the fools who read the tabloids, that's what they're 100% going to believe.

Kate is guilty of some of these things as well (the overspending on clothes in particular) and she also experienced a lot of bad press and backlash in her first few years, having a baby kind of solidifies the 'I'm here to stay' plan, so they've cooled down a bit on her and moved onto new Meghan. 

 

Phew, now time to do some actual work!

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As for the Royal Family?

Will Meghan be to the Royal's what arguably Yoko was to our Fab family?

  

Abdication 9

Edit: There is supposed to be a photo of Wallis Simpson, but it hasn't appeared (at least for me).

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As for the Royal Family?

I think Edward has already opted out and doesn't get anything from the civil list.....

 

  

It won't be Meghan, if it'll be anyone it's Andrew. I remember hearing a lot of Australian republicans thinking once Liz dies...(if she ever does, how long do lizard people live for? 😉 ) that that'll be the end for the British monarch being head of state for Australia, Charles isn't a 1/4 of attractive a monarch as Queenie is.

 

Also, Edward receives money from the Queen yearly, who gets her money from the land she owns and the Sovereign Grant- while it doesn't officially come from taxpayers' money. He's not actually earning his own money. 

 

Edward has the life, he could walk down the street and I imagine most people wouldn't recognise him, no one actually cares what he does and he gets the lovely Bagshot Park, which the taxpayer restored for him and which he pays f--- all rent on. I'm jealous. 

 

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They should have royalty be an elected position.

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They should have royalty be an elected position.

  

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Couldn't tell you which royal was married to which apart from Charles, and that's only due to all the stories going back to Diana. The only story in the last year I could tell you about is the allegations regarding Prince Andrew and I won't comment as who wants the Queen to spit out her tea.

I do not care in the slightest about the Royals, the pointless stories infuriate me (hours of useless live updates on a woman giving birth or a 98-year-old man giving up driving!!!). I'd be quite happy if they all vanished but that's not going to happen so I'm hoping that 20 minutes after Scotland goes independent we turn Balmoral and Holyrood Palace into theme parks and make the Queen etc have to buy new homes, preferably in Easterhouse or Cumbernauld.

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I'd be quite happy if they all vanished but that's not going to happen so I'm hoping that 20 minutes after Scotland goes independent we turn Balmoral and Holyrood Palace into theme parks and make the Queen etc have to buy new homes, preferably in Easterhouse or Cumbernauld.

 

She owns Balmoral, sadly mmm, Victoria bought it in the 1840s when she was off having romantic thoughts about Scotland. One of the two residences (Sandringham is the other- good quiz trivia) they actually own and are not borrowing for their lifespan. Holyrood is up for grabs though.

 

Don't force such travesties on Cumbernauld- it's suffered enough!

 

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It was Albert who bought it, @AppleScruffJunior; he obtained the remainder of Sir Robert Gordon's lease in February 1848 following Gordon's death, and purchased it from the trustees of Earl Fife's estate in June 1852 for £32,000.

The area reminded him of his German homeland, Thuringia.

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It was Albert who bought it, ASJ; he obtained the remainder of Sir Robert Gordon's lease in February 1848 following Gordon's death, and purchased it from the trustees of Earl Fife's estate in June 1852 for £32,000.

The area reminded him of his German homeland, Thuringia.

  

With whose money? 😉 One would assume in the 1840's that one's husband would take care of the documentation on such trivial matters as buying large houses. 

 

Speaking of Albert and houses:

I always found it sad that they got rid of Osborne, it's Albert's paradise that he built for his wife and children and Victoria died there. I've heard from everyone that's visited it that it's a lovely place.

 

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