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12 September 2019
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Some discussion here and elsewhere about MP's/politicians having consciences and guts to stand up to their own Parties.......

Here's a wonderful example of both.......Hats off to this man.......He gives a history lesson and some refreshing honesty to parliament.

 

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Yeah, Trump's 73, @Wigwam, and will be about the same age in 2024 as Joe Biden will be for the 2020 run should Biden get the Democratic nomination - a race he's currently leading.

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12 September 2019
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You really believe Biden will win the nomination?

For contextual information.......The median average age for Presidents at their time of inauguration is 55 years and 3 months.......Reagan was the oldest president to leave office......He was 77 and 349 days after his 2nd term.

Trump at 70 years and 220 days is already the oldest ever to assume office........

All I have with regards to proof is that Trump says he was joking....and winding the media up.

Let's hear your proof that he wasn't joking........ 

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Unless the DNC pulls some serious skullduggery, which I wouldn't put past them, I don't think Biden will get the nomination. He has the advantages of name recognition and popularity by association due to his status as former VP under Obama, and these things set him way ahead when he joined the race, but the more he opens his mouth the more he drops in the polls. Turns out, he's actually kind of awful. Who knew? mccartney-shrug_01_gif

I've also noticed that most old media liberal leaning US publications I've seen reporting on the Democratic race have ditched waxing eloquence about Biden and have switched to Warren... rats jump a sinking ship first. Warren seems to be a good person and a progressive, but I think she's seen as the safe alternative to Sanders, who the establishment fears in the same way the Republican establishment feared Trump three years ago. 

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I am so scared for this election 🙁

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Me too. 

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For me this should go in the happiness thread, as I see the humour.........But I thought I'd get complaints so.......

Here's a moral for the age...... This age!

The Ant & the 
GRASSHOPPER
 
This one is a little different ...
Two Different Versions ... 
Two Different Morals
 
OLD VERSION
 
The ant works 
hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
 
The grasshopper 
thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
 
Come winter, the ant is warm 
and well fed.
 
The grasshopper has 
no food or shelter, so he 
dies out in the cold.
 
MORAL OF THE OLD STORY:
 
Be responsible for yourself!
 
MODERN 
VERSION
 
The ant works hard 
in the withering heat and the rain all summer long, building his house
and laying up supplies for the winter.
 
The grasshopper thinks the ant 
is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
 
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper 
calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be 
allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving..
 
CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN,   
and ABC show up to 
provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper 
next to a video of the ant 
in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. 
America is stunned by the sharp contrast.
 
 
How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper 
is allowed to suffer so?
Kermit the Frog appears 
on Oprah 
with the grasshopper 
and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green'
Occupy the Anthill stages 
a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the
Black Lives Matter group singing, We shall overcome.
 
Then Reverend Al Sharpton  
has the group kneel down to pray for the grasshopper 
while he damns the ants. He later appears on MSNBC to complain that rich people do not care.
 
Former President Obama condemns the ant 
and blames 
Donald Trump, President Bush 43, President Bush 41, President Reagan, Christopher Columbus, and the 
Pope 
for the grasshopper's 
plight.
 
Nancy Pelosi & Chuck Schumer   
exclaim in an interview on The View 
that the ant has 
gotten rich off the back of the 
grasshopper
and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.
 
Finally, the EEOC drafts 
the Economic Equity & 
Anti-Grasshopper Act 
retroactive to the beginning of 
the summer.
The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number 
of green bugs and, 
having; nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the 
Government Green Czar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and given to the grasshopper.
 
The story ends as we see the grasshopper 
and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, 
which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant's old house, 
crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it.
 
The ant has disappeared in the snow, never to be seen again.
 
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident, and the house, now abandoned, is taken 
over by a gang of SPIDERS who terrorize the ramshackle, once prosperous and peaceful, neighborhood.
 
The entire Nation collapses bringing the rest
of the free world with it.
 
MORAL OF THE STORY:
 
Be careful how you vote in 2020.
 
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Great story but it's ironic that you try to make the grasshopper a Democrat and the ant a Republican because the grasshopper kind of reminds me of Donald Trump and the ant reminds me of Bernie Sanders.

Think about it, Trump was born and raised into the top 1% and never had to worry about putting food on the table. Meanwhile, him and his followers try to make it seem like wealth is a choice and use it as an excuse to deny universal health care and give the rich a tax cut although the reality is that being rich is as much of a choice as being gay, if not less so because you don't need to be lucky to fake being straight or remain celibate.

On the contrary, Bernie wasn't so lucky and had to work his way to the top and when he finally did, he decided he wanted to help others just like him by taxing the rich more than the poor.

Personally, i don't think anyone making $100K or less a year should be taxed at all, with each penny after that being a dime you're taxed until you're at $5M or higher where you'd be taxed 50% of your wealth. This would ensure only the rich would get taxed and they would be taxed well to ensure we get enough tax dollars.

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18 September 2019
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I think your interpretation is a stretch......But why not?   That's the beauty of the human parallax D.O.

We see what we want to see from the different degrees of angle of our views ........We rationalise a way that the, irrational and the rational can merge to fit best with our established world views.....See order in chaos or chaos in order..........

Or...... as in this example see the weaknesses in capitalism where others would see it's virtues......or the virtues in socialism where others see only its pitfalls.

 

We are free,  (I think, our conditioning aside), to decide for ourselves the lessons that fables, allegories and parables are designed to illustrate.....

The fable I pasted is only a bit of fun......

 

Anyway...... why do you call yourself Dark Overlord...I'm not aware of it being a Beatle reference??

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That’s quite a funny fable (I died around the ‘it’s not easy being green’ part) but DO has a point: what if the ant didn’t build his own house with his bare hands while the grasshopper danced and sang? What if the ant inherited his house and all his money and never works a day in his life, while the grasshopper is befallen by a string of bad luck, and every house he builds is blown away in the wind or washed away in the rain? 

You’re only telling the story of one- there are many different stories that need to be considered.

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My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars 🙂

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I think the core problem with this is that there's 2 different types of wealth, earned wealth and birth wealth.

A great example of the former would be Oprah Winfrey. She was born to a teenage mother during a one night stand and grew up so poor she had to wear potato sacks as dresses but was able to use her talent at speaking to get to the top. While i don't care for her style, i do have a lot of respect for people like her.

A great example of the latter would be Donald Trump. I have very little respect for people like him unless they give me a reason to respect them.

As for the name, it was originally gettingbetter but i changed it when i realized things were only getting worse. I don't like the name and thought about reverting it to the original but it's the name everyone knows me by.

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As DO says, the problem with the 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' culture is that it doesn't take into account birth privilege. 

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This website has a nice infographic that tells a different story:

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Some quotes from the article:

Among the poor aged 18 to 64, 40.8 percent worked for some part of the year and many of those not working reported barriers to paid work

Calls to increase work requirements among those receiving government assistance should recognize that most poor adults are already working, looking for work, or are disabled or ill.

You must understand - the vast majority of those who need help from the government etc. are actively trying to work, but they can't get a job. No one wants to be in that situation, so >90% of people getting hand outs from the government are only thinking about trying to get a job.

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You must understand - the vast majority of those who need help from the government etc. are actively trying to work, but they can't get a job. No one wants to be in that situation, so >90% of people getting hand outs from the government are only thinking about trying to get a job.

  

To claim benefits you must
 
Actively Search for Work.

Except when someone is exempt by law, you must search for work each week that you file a claim for benefits. If you do not search for work during a week in which you file a claim, benefits may be denied until you show that you have started looking for work.

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So we agree? Cool!

That's pretty much exactly what I said? People on benefits are looking for work - so why should we deny them benefits?

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So we agree? Cool!

That's pretty much exactly what I said? People on benefits are looking for work - so why should we deny them benefits?

  

Some fancy footwork there.......5555.

Maybe explain my consternation over what you state and these figures..........?

U.S. employers posted nearly 7.6 million open jobs in January, near a record high set in November, a sign that businesses are still hungry for workers despite evidence the economy has slowed. There are now about 1 million more open jobs thanunemployed workers.Mar 15, 2019
 
 

If there are a million more jobs.......(a million more jobs) available than there are workers looking for jobs

........Why can't they find one? 

 

 

 
 
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Could be for a myriad of reasons.

Lack of qualifications

Unable to travel the distance to said job

Type of work isn't suited to the individual

 

It's kinda like making suicide illegal, and when people keep committing suicide, wondering why people haven't stopped committing suicide.

Sometimes there are other things that need to happen first, before you can throw jobs at people. 

 

Also, I'm assuming that my google search for 'what does 5555 mean' has returned the correct result: hahahaha, as 5 sounds like ha in Thai?

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The Hole Got Fixed said
Could be for a myriad of reasons.

Lack of qualifications

Unable to travel the distance to said job

Type of work isn't suited to the individual

 

It's kinda like making suicide illegal, and when people keep committing suicide, wondering why people haven't stopped committing suicide.

Sometimes there are other things that need to happen first, before you can throw jobs at people. 

 

Also, I'm assuming that my google search for 'what does 5555 mean' has returned the correct result: hahahaha, as 5 sounds like ha in Thai?


  

You're right about 5555...

You watch..... you'll all be doing it......555!

As for your myriad of reasons? I can go with all of those as being possible......Though  I feel it's realistic to add that if someone really wants to get a job..That with a million more jobs on offer..... together, don't forget, with the number of jobs on offer that equal the number of unemployed......I reckon someone who was seriously searching for a job could find one....

It's a possibility isn't it?......Surprised you omitted that one...Just a slip?

 

Never mind......'Get woke, go broke' you'll see..5555!

Cheers

 

  

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Wigwam said
I reckon someone who was seriously searching for a job could find one....

For your average person, this may be true (after about a year of job searching) but let's say you have a felony assault charge. If that's the case, you're going to have a very hard time getting a job because of that box you have to tick off on your application.

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