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17 August 2019
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Germany post-World War 1 was the perfect storm for having a charismatic, charming, powerful leader like Adolf Hitler take advantage. The German economy was in ruins and they had got all of the blame for WW1. You have this man step in who can give stirring speeches, tells you he will solve your financial problems (and he does), builds great infrastructure (the Autobahn, hospitals, schools, the gorgeous Olympic stadium) VW Beetles were mass-produced and most workers could buy one with small weekly payments, children have free youth clubs, EVERYONE gets a job (women are very much encouraged to stay at home of course, have children and even get medals for having more than 4 children), and improves the country for the vast majority of Germans.

 

Hitler was a god in the eyes of many Germans. He delivered what he promised and Germany flourished under him. 

 

A lot of people say that they don't know what he was really doing and his final solution but when your Jewish neighbours vanished 4 years ago after they were sent to a "transit camp" and you haven't heard from them since, the Roma that lived on the outside of your town have left, your neighbour that was a rumoured homosexual vanished during the night and your mentally-disabled child that was in a care home suddenly dies from pneumonia when a few days ago when you last saw them they were perfectly well?

Yes, a few people not knowing what was going on I would understand but people who lived in towns where there were concentration camps such as Bergen, where Jews were actively marched down the streets just outside the town because there was no train station directly to the camp, yet claim they had no idea what was going on-load of rubbish.

You have things across Europe called 'Stolpersteine' or 'stumbling stones', they are little markings outside the buildings where people persecuted by the Nazis lived, worked etc. They are literally everywhere. How a full building of Jewish people from different families could go missing in 1941 and none of their neighbours thought something was awry, impossible.

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17 August 2019
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Though I never blamed all the german people.......There really isn't any excuse......I guess there's a tipping point where people are just too scared to put their heads above the parapet. 'For evil to flourish good men do nothing'.....Hitler's rise was from within and insidious...What any of us would have done...Actually done about it had we lived there in those days is a tester for honest contemplation.....Personal survival and the survival of our families is a powerful motivator.

I have much less sympathy and understanding for the Vichy French.

I think the same 'rule by fear' happens in micro scale ........communities like the Italians with the mafia and the Chinese with the Triads.... the good muslims cowering to the radicals. The Ecuadorian and Honduran gangs ......The Crips and the yardies.......Every people react the same way to ruthless organised gang brutality. 

Read Orwell...... 

This will sound like a trite comparison.....But I see a similar pernicious fear of putting a head above the parapet in groupthink and the herd mentality that empowers the grip of PC thought and its control of free speech.

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I'm a very loyal person generally, and by extension I'm quite patriotic and have a mildly nationalist streak. However, I'm also a moderate, and I believe that you can hold patriotic and nationalist views while also appreciating the flaws of your country and the need for balance with the global community. Loyalty to, and appreciation for the positive qualities of, one's country must be distinguished from blind loyalty, and mild nationalist sentiment is a long way from chauvinism or fascism.

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Beatlebug said 
/just another post in the life of everyone's favorite(????) Fence-Sitting Centrist American Patriot (I'm literally sitting on the handrail of my deck so I feel like a fence-sitter right now)

  

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Beatlebug said
...appreciating the flaws of your country

Was this a typo? If not, how and why would anyone appreciate the flaws of anything, let alone the country you live in.

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18 August 2019
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I assumed she meant ‘acknowledge’ or ‘accept.’

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18 August 2019
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Not a typo.......appreciate merely means in the context used here 'recognise' 'acknowledge'  rather than 'cherish' or 'value'

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What are your thoughts on raising the minimum wage to $15. Personally, i think it would be a terrible idea and no one would benefit from it.

To start, it would be a loss for the employees because the employer would have no choice but to lay off staff and cut hours for those they didn't lay off. Because of this, the employer would be at a loss as well and would have no choice but to raise prices. And thanks to that, even the consumer is at a loss.

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Maybe small employers, but big employers can easily afford to raise the minimum wage.

Personally it's just not my preferred way of going about improving people's lives. I'd rather employers turn over control of their companies to the workers themselves who then should run them as co-operatives. That way, they have a stake in the success of the company, they take part in decisions of how it should be run, and wages would increase anyway because the revenue that would be going to a CEO instead can be reinvested or used to supplement wages. 

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Companies will always say that cannot afford a raise in a Government-mandated minimum wage, @Dark Overlord. They will claim it will lead to redundancies. There are very few instances when that actually proves to be the case.

If they still have the same workload, the workforce needed stays the same, and they take the financial elsewhere - usually in their profit margin before putting up prices.

You can look at it the other way round, especially with the service sector and manufacturing; what economic sense does it make to pay your workers a wage which means they can't afford to be your customer when you rely on customers?

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I forgot to add: a reason why the minimum wage should be raised in the USA is that wages have to stay in line with inflation or the purchasing power of your money will fall behind. In real word terms this means that someone on minimum wage a few years ago could get more for their money than they can now, because even though the number is the same, it corresponds to less value. The minimum wage was last raised in 2009, but inflation in the intervening ten years has outstripped that. 

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QuarryMan said
Maybe small employers, but big employers can easily afford to raise the minimum wage.

But in most states, small businesses have to comply with the same minimum wage laws as places like Walmart and Amazon.

Personally it's just not my preferred way of going about improving people's lives. I'd rather employers turn over control of their companies to the workers themselves who then should run them as co-operatives. That way, they have a stake in the success of the company, they take part in decisions of how it should be run, and wages would increase anyway because the revenue that would be going to a CEO instead can be reinvested or used to supplement wages.

Interesting idea, almost like a form of corporate anarchy.

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Companies will always say that cannot afford a raise in a Government-mandated minimum wage, @Dark Overlord. They will claim it will lead to redundancies. There are very few instances when that actually proves to be the case.

If they still have the same workload, the workforce needed stays the same, and they take the financial elsewhere - usually in their profit margin before putting up prices.

You can look at it the other way round, especially with the service sector and manufacturing; what economic sense does it make to pay your workers a wage which means they can't afford to be your customer when you rely on customers? 

But if the profits are down, they are likely to compensate by raising prices and the raising prices would even out their wages if not making them less valuable.

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Hot take: If a company isn't making enough money to pay its staff properly it's not a viable company.

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Good point but why should we make it harder for mom and pop stores to pay their employees in the process.

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If the stores are viable, they are able to pay their employees. If they're not viable, well sorry ma and pa but you need to find a better business model...

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ahdn_paul_06 And people call right-wingers callous. a-hard-days-night-george-10

THIS IS JUST A JOKE. PLEASE DON'T COME AT ME.

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ahdn_paul_06 And people call right-wingers callous. a-hard-days-night-george-10

THIS IS JUST A JOKE. PLEASE DON'T COME AT ME.


  

Heh

I can tell a joke dw...

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Whenever a company's costs are increased, it is inevitably the consumer who suffers as a result. To use an example in the UK, a government-ban on Letting fees (e.g. administration fees, renewal fees, reference and credit checks etc) from the 1st June 2019 has allegedly let to housing agents instructing their landlords to increase the rents of their tenants to offset the losses.

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The missing link here seems to be the vast amounts of company revenue which are devoted to the salary of the CEO. That money, redirected, could easily top up the paycheques of the workers without needing to raise prices or disadvantage consumers.

Basically, the hierarchical organisation of business with power concentrated right at the top (this is what Marx meant when he said "private ownership of the means of production") is unnecessary and screws everyone else over. 

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As great as that would be, i don't think that's what would happen. The CEO's are filthy rich and are the only ones who would profit off a $15 minimum wage since they're getting paid for the raised prices without having to pay their employees a penny more since most of them will either have hours cut or get laid off. And since most CEO's are rich capitalist pigs, they have no incentive or moral obligation to do so otherwise.

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