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10 August 2019
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What are your thoughts on groups like PETA? Personally, while i no problem with people choosing to be vegetarians/vegans, i despise the group for a slew of reasons:

1. They have a tendency to make inappropriate analogies towards those who choose to eat meat. Two example of this is when they compared chickens going to the slaughterhouse to people in a Nazi concentration camp and when they compared a woman being raped to a cow being milked. The problem with these analogies (besides the fact that men can be raped too) is that people and animals are completely different things and that people are significantly smarter than animals, to the point where Koko the gorilla, the world's smartest non-human animal, is about as smart as your average 7 year old. That's not to say that children or people with severe mental disabilities should be treated like animals but animals are meant to be killed and eaten whereas humans aren't.

2. They have a preference for female animals. Why is it that animal rights mean more if the animal's female, animal abuse can happen to male animals too. Alright, they're not going to turn a blind eye to animal abuse just because the animal's a boy but when it comes to gender specific issues, they only care if it's a female. Take the whole controversy surrounding eating eggs and dairy products, PETA treats this as rape but when it comes to forcibly castrating male cats and dogs, they actually encourage it. To be fair, this is to combat overpopulation of the species (which could also be done by killing and eating them) but it's still extremely hypocritical to compare eating a grilled cheese sandwich to rape while encouraging people to forcefully sterilize their male pets.

3. While these people want you to care about all animals (especially if they're female), but when it comes to abortion, they're typically either silent on the issue or are pro-choice. Now don't get me wrong, if you're pro-choice, that's fine (i'm a little pro-choice myself) but these are the type of people who tell you to not kill rats so if they care about the rats that infest your house, they should also care about the child inside you.

4. Many ARA groups have a violent track record, like the time ALF (with the help of PETA) firebombed a KFC.

5. PETA kills the majority of cats and dogs sent into it's care. Sadly, PETA can't even stay consistent with it's own message that animals shouldn't be killed. Every year since 1998, PETA has killed on average 84.46% of the dogs and cats sent there, there has never been a year that we are aware of where PETA killed less then 70% of the pets it was sent, and they even got sued for paying children to lure the family dog out of the house so they can take it away.

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10 August 2019
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@Dark Overlord I absolutely agree that both parties are right wing. Most democrats are classical liberals, which is a right wing ideology. Some of the new wave, like Bernie and AOC, could be described as modern liberals or progressives, and even that is only slightly left of centre. Due to the success of McCarthy-ist brainwashing, most people in the USA haven't really got a clue what actual left wing ideology stands for beyond the big Russian bogeyman. 

However, I personally think the traditional political compass (left-right wing and authoritarian-libertarian) is useless. I'd go with Chomsky's model:

Rather than accepting the common view among U.S. economists that a spectrum exists between total state ownership of the economy and total private ownership, he [Chomsky] instead suggests that a spectrum should be understood between total democratic control of the economy and total autocratic control (whether state or private). 

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@Dark Overlord “animals are meant to be killed and eaten?” Really? They have a right to life too a-hard-days-night-paul-3

Anyways, all I know about PETA is that they shouted down some poor little girl at the fair during pig showmanship until she cried, which is absolutely not okay— along with the fact this ten year old child did nothing wrong. So I don’t like them.

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10 August 2019
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It may seem like a harsh thing to say but i feel it's a part of the cycle of life to eat meat and disrupting that cycle could lead to animal overpopulation.

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Though 99.99% of the animals we eat are farmed, which they wouldn't be in a vegetarian/vegan world. The livestock population is only so big because we eat them. If we didn't, there wouldn't be farmers raising cows for beef, pigs for pork (mmm... bacon), or chicken for, erm, chicken.

So we could say there's an overpopulation of animals now because we farm them for human consumption, and that if we went vegetarian, or just cut down on meat being part of our daily menu, livestock numbers would reduce naturally because a farmer doesn't want more stock than he can sell.

You don't hear of large herds of cows and sheep in the wild. The herds we have are purely for eating (or dairy).

I've said it before, a world that turned vegetarian, one of its first acts would be to let the the meat herds to die out naturally (or we'd just cull most of them).

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Being vegan or vegetarian to me seems like the best choice to make in terms of both personal health and the environment. Personally, I am not either of those things (this may sound shallow, but it's mostly because I haven't found much food I like that fits into those strict categories) but I would like to try it at some point in the future. 

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I never thought of that @Ron Nasty i was basing my idea off how there are so many cats and dogs that we are encouraged to "spay and neuter" our pets but if 99.99% of the animals we eat are farmed, then abandoning meat wouldn't be so bad. However, there are still dietary concerns since our bodies need things like protein that are typically found in meat, making it difficult (but not impossible) to live on a strictly vegan diet.

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10 August 2019
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 “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”    Gandhi
 
Whatever happened to Gandhi? I mean he made one great film and then nothing......... 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Both my siblings are vegans and they are two of the healthiest people I know. Their lack of meat based protein hasn't really impacted them at all. 

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Meat is a very easy source for a lot of nutrients, but the way we eat it and the amount leads to some long term negative effects.  It seems to me that veganism or vegetarianism to a lesser extent almost forces you to eat healthier bc without doing so you'd be malnourished.

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PETA's wack though. Never got why Paul supports them.

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QuarryMan said
Both my siblings are vegans and they are two of the healthiest people I know. Their lack of meat based protein hasn't really impacted them at all.

  

But they probably have trouble getting enough iron in their diet since iron is typically found in meat.

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PETA's wack though. Never got why Paul supports them.

  

Sadly, i think Paul's oblivious to all the horrible things the group does.

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Meat is also such a hassle. To prepare meat to an edible standard it requires an enormous amount of work. 

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It may be that way now but plants were much different back then.

https://www.sciencealert.com/f.....od-natural

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Kaniffee said
PETA's wack though. Never got why Paul supports them.

  

Linda most likely 

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Any reason why you think it's Linda. From what I've heard, it was Paul's choice to become a vegetarian.

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QuarryMan said
Meat is also such a hassle. To prepare meat to an edible standard it requires an enormous amount of work. 

  

Very true.  There's a lot that goes into preparing meat and raising the animal itself, but in American culture (and others) it's made to be convenient as possible for the consumer at restaurants and grocery stores.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Western culture, I guess.

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Dark Overlord said
Any reason why you think it's Linda. From what I've heard, it was Paul's choice to become a vegetarian.

  

She was an outspoken advocate and Peta made an award named after her after she died

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What are your thoughts on patriotism, chauvinism, and nationalism (thanks to @Ron Nasty and @AppleScruffJunior for giving me this idea)?

Personally, i think it's stupid that someone would have such blind loyalty towards their country, especially considering this blind loyalty has had disastrous results. A perfect example of this is how Germany were so loyal towards Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party that they were oblivious towards all of the horrible things he was doing.

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