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16 May 2019
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The worrying thing is that the alt-right may be a small minority, but their movement is growing and it has used the internet to its advantage into recruiting a lot of people. The Charlottesville Unite the Right rally was just the tip of the iceberg. 

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I think their existence alone is enough for concern.

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I think far-right extremists not nearly as effective as radical leftists, although they may tend to be more violent.

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Beatlebug said
I think far-right extremists not nearly as effective as radical leftists, although they may tend to be more violent.

How do you mean? 

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When the right goes too far, it tends to result in violence: mass shootings, etc. When the left goes too far, the effect is less immediately apparent, and it's harder to tell how far is too far with the left. Just a casual observation, as exceptions (such as Antifa) clearly exist.

Also, most right-wingers are much quicker to disavow far-right extremists than most left-wingers are to left-wing extremists, at least as far as I can tell.

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Yea, I guess that's true. While I don't doubt that there are far left extremists out there, I can't think of any prominent communists or anything like I can prominent alt-right or white supremacist figures. In America, the most prominent left wing figures, like Bernie Sanders and AOC, aren't much further left than your average social democrat, which is the accepted standard political position in most of Europe, Canada, Australia etc. 

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What do you guys think of this new "adversity score" for the SAT? I haven't read much about it but I think it's a bad idea.

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50yearslate said
What do you guys think of this new "adversity score" for the SAT? I haven't read much about it but I think it's a bad idea.

I haven't heard about it, what does it entail? 

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50yearslate said
What do you guys think of this new "adversity score" for the SAT? I haven't read much about it but I think it's a bad idea.

  

Wouldn't that defeat the purpse of the demographic questions being anonymous?

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The scores given aren't revealed to the students but are only used to aid those making the decisions.

If you have unequal access to universities (especially the best universities) because of the differences in the applicants social/economic backgrounds, with those coming from wealthier, stable environments having more chance of getting in because of the advantages that has given them, you have to look at the admission process.

And we are currently seeing the lengths wealthier parents in the US will go to get their little darlings into university...

Yale has been among the group of universities that have already tested the system, and their Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Jeremiah Quinlan, told CNN it had helped Yale nearly double the amount of students from a low-income background who are the first in the family to go to university to 20% of admissions.

This is literally affecting every application we look at. It has been a part of the success story to help diversify our freshman class.

We have similar problems here in the UK with access to our universities, with those who have been privately educated (accounting for 6.5-15% of those children in education - it varies depending on part of the UK and age group) having far more success with university entrance than those who have been state educated. We keep looking for ways to level the playing field ourselves, not very successfully with some of our best universities (Oxbridge).

The opportunity education offers should be equally accessible by all and not just a wealthy elite.

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50yearslate said
What do you guys think of this new "adversity score" for the SAT? I haven't read much about it but I think it's a bad idea.
  

I, too, think it is a bad idea. I'm against affirmative action to begin with, and this is just... a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

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I'll just leave this here too. (FYI, if you've never heard of Tim Pool, he's actually quite left-leaning politically, so you certainly can't accuse him of being a conservatard.)

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Beatlebug said

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What do you guys think of this new "adversity score" for the SAT? I haven't read much about it but I think it's a bad idea.

  

I, too, think it is a bad idea. I'm against affirmative action to begin with, and this is just... a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

https://youtu.be/iKcWu0tsiZM

That is downright terrifying.

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Something I wanted to mention in relation to the left/right divide in US politics, and those in the US who suggest they are just a little to the left or right of the centre - the centre of your politics is far further to the right than many others democracies. @Beatlebug suggested the video and arguments she posted up there were from someone who was left-leaning, from a UK point of view, he could be a member of the Conservatives, while the majority of those on the very right-wing of the Republican Party would be barred by our right-leaning mainstream party.

The majority of the Democrats wouldn't feel too uncomfortable in our right-wing mainstream party.

Nor would I ever suggest the left are less ineffectual at violence discourse/action than the right. The ultra-left are as anti-Semitic as the extreme right. The Communist Revolution in Russia didn't come from the right, nor does the suppression we still see in China.

I will probably burst forth on "Is oppressing oppression oppressive?" soon...

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Hands up how many people here, sticking to gender stereotypes, though it happens in same-sex relationships as well, believe a married man can rape his wife, that marriage negates a woman's right to say she's not in the mood, that she doesn't want to?

Does having a legally committed partner, whichever way 'round, bar someone from saying, "No, not now...", or do they always have to acquiesce?

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Absolutely not, that's a disgusting thought. Just because somebody is married doesn't mean they aren't a person with rights just like every human being not in a committed relationship. Respect is important in every relationship no matter how serious, and rape is never, ever okay under any circumstances.

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Would you believe that in the US, currently, if you threaten to or commit violence to have sex with your legal partner, a very basic definition of rape, that is illegal and can be charged as rape, but in approximately 10 States, if you get your legal partner so drunk they can't resist, or you drug them to the same effect, they have barred that from being rape, though it would be rape with any other woman?

Ohio, Maryland, Mississippi, Nevada, Oklahoma, Virginia, Rhode Island, Minnesota, Michigan, Connecticut and South Carolina, their marital rape laws only apply if violence is used or threatened, drugging an unwilling partner isn't - slipping Rohypnol into her coffee as the relationship disintegrates to have sex that person doesn't want and wouldn't agree to, and would be rape in any other circumstance, is purposely excluded as being rape by those States.

Beat the wife, or threaten to, it's rape, drug her and leave her incapable of resisting and it's not.

Does that make sense to anyone?

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^the world is truly stupid. I can't believe that's a thing. 

No means no. End of story. 

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That is awful. I have no words.

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And see this is about oppression. Rape is never a crime about sex, especially marital rape, but is about control.

A question asking "Is oppressing oppression oppressive?" sees, as shown here, people running to discuss the Nazis and how we counteract something like that happening again, how we respond to those - be they considered to be on the left or right politically - who espouse hate. We head for the big ticket items forgetting how oppression can be a part of our personal relationships, and the laws that protect us (or not) from that. We forget to take it down to that personal level.

Marital rape (MR), and its legal history, is a good example of this.

We're not talking big politics here but instead how lives are lived, how your life is lived, and how the state and its laws protect you.

Based on a judgement in the 18th Century by the British judge Sir Matthew Hale in 1736...

A husband cannot be guilty of rape upon his wife for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind to her husband which she cannot retract.

...MR was LEGAL in most countries whose legal code was first created by white European Christians, which is basically most countries. It has only started to be made illegal in the last fifty years, and often against the wishes of (probably mainly) male politicians.

The rise of feminism in the '60s and '70s started seeing the rise of calls for MR to be recognised as a crime. Many men felt emasculated by the idea that they could no longer force themselves on their wives, that their wives were suddenly no longer blow-up dolls without a choice.

Speaking for my own country, shamefully the UK only acknowledged MR as a crime in 1991.

Looking at Australia, @The Hole Got Fixed, it took until 1994 for the Northern Territories to recognise MR (the last state to recognise MR as a crime was Queensland in 1989).

As I illustrated above, @50yearslate, the US still has many States resisting judgements that laws which didn't acknowledge MR as a crime were unconstitutional. These judgements have been made by State courts, and there has yet to be a case which has reached the Supreme Court to create a federal judgement, which has allowed States to be mealy-mouthed about it and create big loopholes by building in big exemptions as to which rape laws apply, and excluding shocking things like drug rape.

In that regard South Carolina is the worst state in the US, as it only recognises MR, which they call "Spousal sexual battery," with a high level of violence or threat of.

The basis of criminal law is about oppressing behaviour that is oppressive, creating a society where there are rights and wrongs, but we often forget the small things and zoom in on big political issues, losing sight of the personal.

I wonder if @Dark Overlord would have commented:

Even if women and minorities are still oppressed, it's not the white man's fault and trying to get revenge on the white man will only create oppression.

if he recognised that it boiled down to something like rape, and if he supports the position of those States that have grudgingly accepted a man can rape his wife but have created loopholes that mean he can rape away so long as clever about it and doesn't beat her?

We should fight oppression at every level, and that often means bringing in laws that oppose it.

Where would DO have stopped laws that prevent oppression? We know the slave owners felt they were being oppressed as countries abolished slavery...

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Very important post, RN. This is why the notion that colonial European powers somehow did the countries they colonised is an absolute joke - so many of our systems of government are built on institutional oppression to the point where it's no longer a case of the system being broken but rather of the system working the way it was designed to do. 

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