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6 May 2019
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Kaniffee said
I don't think they're considered nominees until, they've run the primaries.  Right now they're just running.

  

True, I guess we should call them candidates? 

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I'd agree with you in that I think Sanders is the candidate that I agree with the most. He'll reverse quite a bit of what Trump has done, largely around the environment, which would be good..

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He's quite old though.

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He's quite old though.

  

That's the thing. Does anyone else think that too?

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I'm not sure I understand how his age is relevant...? please explain.

Anyway, I'm not particularly excited about any of the Democratic candidates, from what I've seen they're mostly too far left for my liking and/or playing the identity politics game which I find so repugnant. I read an op-ed in today's Wall Street Journal by John Hickenlooper* which seemed interesting, so I might do some more research on him.

I will most likely vote for Trump, though. shoot me *swampy bass* a-hard-days-night-paul-11

*Is it just me or do the candidates this election cycle have more weirder names than ever before? QuarryMan, I think Mayor Pete's name is spelled Buttigieg with two I's. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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I'm not sure I understand how his age is relevant...? please explain.

They are more likely to die mid-term, they are more likely to develop a mental illness such as Parkinson's, etc.

Anyway, I'm not particularly excited about any of the Democratic candidates, from what I've seen they're mostly too far left for my liking and/or playing the identity politics game which I find so repugnant. I read an op-ed in today's Wall Street Journal by John Hickenlooper* which seemed interesting, so I might do some more research on him.

Not possible for me, I guess that explains your spoiler...

I will most likely vote for Trump, though. shoot me *swampy bass* a-hard-days-night-paul-11

a-hard-days-night-paul-3I guess it's your vote and I respect that

*Is it just me or do the candidates this election cycle have more weirder names than ever before? QuarryMan, I think Mayor Pete's name is spelled Buttigieg with two I's. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

  

Define weird? Not anglo?

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They are more likely to die mid-term, they are more likely to develop a mental illness such as Parkinson's, etc.

oh, that makes sense.

Not possible for me, I guess that explains your spoiler...

I mean, I consider myself centrist (albeit a little bit right-leaning), so it would go the same for either direction, but the trend I've been seeing in the US is that the Democratic party has been drifting further and further off to the left while the Republican party has stayed more or less in the same place.

Define weird? Not anglo?  

I mean, to be fair, English is a pretty effed-up language. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

Anyway, I don't think anyone had a problem spelling or pronouncing a name like, say, Ted Cruz, so no, I wouldn't say it's just a non-Anglo thing. They've just got too many doggone syllables these days, I think a-hard-days-night-george-10

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I just realized 2020 is the first election I can vote in. It will be interesting to say the least.

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Kaniffee said
I just realized 2020 is the first election I can vote in.

Yeah, it's my first presidential election (I was just able to vote in the midterms), so I'm excited. ahdn_john_08_gif

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My mom likes to go on about how she's tired of "old white men" running for president, and while I kinda see where she's coming from, I really don't think age, race, or gender matter when it comes It presidential candidates; it just depends on their ability to run the country.

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I really don't think age, race, or gender matter when it comes It presidential candidates; it just depends on their ability to run the country.  

This. apple01heartapple01heartapple01heart I have hope for you, young one. john-lennon-salute_gif

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Speaking of me being a padawan who you have hope for, I did relisten to Bring Me The Disco King...

but this ain't the thread for that a-hard-days-night-george-10

I won't be able to vote til the 2024 election, it's a tragedy a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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What about the non presidential elections?  Most states have something every year.

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That's true. Actually, now that I think about it, I might be able to vote in the next midterms, I'm not sure...

Math is awful paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif this really shouldn't be that hard, it's only addition...

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Whichever first tuesday of november you'll be 18 by is the first election you can vote in.

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Beatlebug said
I mean, to be fair, English is a pretty effed-up language. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

Literally what I've learnt in Linguistics in the last 1.5 years. Such fascinating stuff imo!

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I really don't think age, race, or gender matter when it comes It presidential candidates; it just depends on their ability to run the country.  

This. apple01heartapple01heartapple01heart I have hope for you, young one. john-lennon-salute_gif

  

It literally makes no difference. I so, so agree, but some factors can and do play a part.

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I think age matters for a few reasons:

a) Being president is an extremely strenuous job for which a level of physical fitness is obviously important, which correlates with age for obvious reasons. 

b) You obviously don't want someone who is at risk of dying while in office. It sounds extreme, but it's happened. 

c) You want someone who is energetic.

Personally, I think if the candidate is good enough, then they it shouldn't matter. But hypothetically, if the choice was between two politicians with very similar policies and records who were both electable, I would be more likely to go with the younger one based on these factors, if that makes sense. 

@Beatlebug , I respect your choice as there are good reasons to vote for Trump, particularly on the economy. However, a point I would make is that the Democrats moving left is aligning them with the centrist parties in pretty much every other first world country. It's not like they're becoming some crazy far left party. In fact, a good chunk of what Bernie stands for is adopted by the Conservative party here in the UK, who are considered a right wing party. 

Anyways, in regard to my original question, I'll try to make a general case for most of Bernie's policy platform for anyone who might be interested. 

a) Universal healthcare - this is one adopted by all the other developed countries, and it works pretty well. The fact that the USA hasn't done it yet is amazing to me, particularly when so many people die from not having insurance. This is supported by a majority of the people, too.

b) Free college - This is another good idea in my opinion, since I'm pretty sure it used to exist in some states in the 1950s and worked pretty well back then. Maybe it's different now, but it sounds good for me. 

c) End the war on drugs - legalising cannabis seems like a no-brainer at this point (though there is an interesting debate to be had which I hope we have at some point soon), but the war on drugs has been revealed to be started by the Nixon administration as a way to incarcerate large numbers of left wing anti-Vietnam protestors and black people, by associating them with LSD and heroin. Not to mention, it's also been a huge failure, and systems in other countries have been proven to be more effective in this regard. 

d) Raise taxes on the 1%, including around a 56% tax rate on earnings over 10 million, which is actually a lot lower than what it was in the 1950s (94% on earnings over $200,000 which is about $2.4million today), which was a period of huge growth for the economy. 

e) Rebuild the infrastructure. This one is pretty self explanatory, as the US infrastructure is currently in terrible shape which will obviously harm the economy in the long term. 

f) Stop endless military spending. In 2015, military spending was 54% of total US government spending, which when you consider that the US military is the biggest polluter in the world, is pretty ridiculous. Now obviously defence is a pretty important thing to spend money on, and not enough people on the left recognise all the important work that the military does in terms of scientific research. However, clearly it needs to be reined in. 

 

I've tried to source everything, but my point is that Bernie's ideas aren't particularly radical, they are just common-sense ideas that would do a lot of good. 

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50yearslate said
My mom likes to go on about how she's tired of "old white men" running for president, and while I kinda see where she's coming from, I really don't think age, race, or gender matter when it comes It presidential candidates; it just depends on their ability to run the country.

  

This is very important heart I've already shared my views on the importance of affirmative action and representation in some areas, but the President is too important a job to allow anybody but the most qualified to get the nomination.

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Honestly, i don't think we need a Republican or a Democrat in office. I feel like if more people voted based on the person and not the party, The American people would be in better peace and their would be room for compromise. It wouldn't be too Conservative or too Liberal, It would be just right 

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I could care less what party they are. I've already explained my dislike of political parties. I just want to have a capable leader (for once).

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