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14 March 2019
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I fully support the use GMO's. In fact, once someone was handing out GMO-free samples at a supermarket so i told her that there's nothing wrong with GMO's.

Opponents of GMO's like to point out that it's unnatural but so are computers, microwaves, and a whole slew of other things these people have no problem using. Another thing they like to point out is the potential health effects but as of now, there's no confirmed health effects to eating GMO products.

As for the good things about GMO's, they make bigger plants, meaning that we can feed more people and those plants are more resistant to things like insects.

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I fully support the use GMO's. In fact, once someone was handing out GMO-free samples at a supermarket so i told her that there's nothing wrong with GMO's.

Opponents of GMO's like to point out that it's unnatural but so are computers, microwaves, and a whole slew of other things these people have no problem using. Another thing they like to point out is the potential health effects but as of now, there's no confirmed health effects to eating GMO products.

As for the good things about GMO's, they make bigger plants, meaning that we can feed more people and those plants are more resistant to things like insects.

  

Mayhe it's okay with plants, but genetically modifying animals is not okay. For instance, ducks and geese are often genetically modified to increase their weight/the size of their livers, and since their legs aren't built to support that kind of weight, they can't walk. 

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Dark Overlord said
 

As for the good things about GMO's, they make bigger plants, meaning that we can feed more people and those plants are more resistant to things like insects.

This is where you've got to be careful. Food chains are a delicately balanced part of any ecosystem and while it might seem convenient to stop insects eating crops in the short term, that type of action might have more serious, unforeseen consequences. 

My view is that GMOs are fine as long as we can be absolutely sure there won't be any unintentional adverse effects. 

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When i think of GMO's, i think of plants. When it comes to animals, things start to get murky.

On one hand, we're killing and eating them anyways so we mind as well make them as fat as possible but on the other hand, these animals don't want to be genetically modified and we shouldn't make them suffer any more then they have to.

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Dark Overlord said
When i think of GMO's, i think of plants. When it comes to animals, things start to get murky.

On one hand, we're killing and eating them anyways so we mind as well make them as fat as possible but on the other hand, these animals don't want to be genetically modified and we shouldn't make them suffer any more then they have to.

  

I agree with the second hand. 

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If anything, we need to be reducing humanity's reliance on eating meat, not the other way around. If GMO crops are the way to do that, then I guess I support them to some degree. 

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I am totally against GMOs, as well many other US farming practices (such as washing chickens in chlorine after slaughter to rid them of germs and bacteria that wouldn't be present if higher welfare standards were in place, or pumping beef cattle full of growth hormones so they put on weight faster).

One of my big problems with GMOs when it comes to plants is that, because of the control of the companies involved, it defeats the system of "seed saving" that has sustained farming and farmers throughout the centuries, making farmers completely reliant on the big businesses that own the copyright on their seeds.

Seed saving means that a farmer keeps a proportion of seeds from his current crop to give them the seeds for their next crop which makes it self-sustaining. Most GMO crops include in their modification an alteration which makes the seeds infertile, meaning the farmer has to buy new seeds for every crop, alongside putting in conditions that the farmer must buy pesticides etc. from that same company.

There is also the practice of many GMO companies who, when seeds blow across onto a neighbouring property during the process of sowing, and those seeds start to grow, sue the neighbouring property for copyright infringement.

GMOs, for all the hype, are not about creating better yields but, instead, creating client farmers who have to keep coming back to the company and spending money for their next crop.

And then there are the possible health implications which we have no idea about yet. It's easy to say they're safe and have been judged so by many experts, however it took decades for it to be discovered that the feed we were giving cattle resulted in BSE and that a human form of the disease, vCJD, was being transferred to humans through the meat.

I don't want a few big multinationals controlling the food chain, nor the risk that decades down the line we discover they're harmful to human health.

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The whole seed saving thing isn't GMO's fault, it's the fault of bullshit corporations trying to rip off their customers. All we have to do is pass legislation to make the sale of non self-sustaining seeds illegal.

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GMOs would be dead as a technology the moment Governments did that, @Dark Overlord. Why would companies spend billions on creating seeds that a farmer need buy only once? They only make economic sense if the farmer has to return year after year after year to buy more seeds.

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I'm on board with GMO plants -- the reality is, it's kind of the only way to feed the majority of Earth's population, with only a small percentage of first-worlders able to afford non-GMOs, which are far more expensive to produce because you have to dump tons of chemicals (both synthetic and less synthetic) on them and they're less hardy in general. Animals are a more complicated matter which I'm not really sure I can get behind.

In regards to seed saving, yes, the farmers have to buy seeds every year, but they also save a lot of money not having to spray pesticides and employ lots of people to keep pests and weeds at bay. You could make an argument about job loss there, I suppose, but I'm going to bed. ahdn_george_05

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While studies show some decrease in use of pesticides and weedkillers (varying between 8 and 37%), @Beatlebug, we know from our use of antibiotics that things evolve to get around the defences. Antibiotics have led superbugs which are increasingly resistant to them, and in some instances there's virtually no antibiotics left that work. GMOs could cause the same effect in the plant and insect kingdom.

Companies would not have written into their contracts that you need to use their pesticides if GMOs eliminated their use.

As to large portions of the world not being able to afford non-GMO crops, most farmers in poorer countries cannot afford the prices charged for GMO seeds on an annual basis which means countries becoming dependant on GMO crops being imported from the wealthier parts of the world which allow them.

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If people, especially those in first-world countries ate less meat, many of these problems would be less serious. Around 80% of the world's farmland is used for raising animals or growing food for animals. We would be much more efficient at producing food if we produced less meat. We should all learn from Paul and Linda. 

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Dark Overlord said
When i think of GMO's, i think of plants. When it comes to animals, things start to get murky.

On one hand, we're killing and eating them anyways so we mind as well make them as fat as possible but on the other hand, these animals don't want to be genetically modified and we shouldn't make them suffer any more then they have to.

I'm just one animal but I'd wanna be genetically modified. Also animals want to be geneticly modified if it means they'll survive. GMOs are just a faster version of what's been going on for billions of years.

 

And GMO plants make up a large portion of the plant population that we eat. Without that, billions would starve.

 

A GMO animal could take up less farming space than a non gmo one.

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Genetically modified animals aren't modified to be stronger or have a better chance of survival or whatever, they're modified to be fatter and produce more meat/eggs/milk/whatever. And I don't know about you, but I'd rather not undergo that type of modification.

Oh, and as for taking up farming space, factory farms have taken care of that and crammed all their animals into the tiniest amount of space the law will allow, so you don't have to worry about that. 

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But they could be, right now there modified to glow in the dark. There can be great things done with GMOs. Besides, plants and animals aren't all that different anyway.

 

And see, to solve Get's problem, just move all the animals we eat to factory farms.

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But they could be, right now there modified to glow in the dark. There can be great things done with GMOs. Besides, plants and animals aren't all that different anyway.

There could be. But there aren't.

 

And see, to solve Get's problem, just move all the animals we eat to factory farms.

  

I was being sarcastic. Factory farms are terrible. It's like their goal is to give the animals the most miserable lives they can before they're slaughtered. 

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They are though, there are gmos that help plants grow in harsher places and to give the food more nutrients among other things.

 

GMOs arent bad. They just got a bad rep. 

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As I've said, for plants, I don't know, you could be right. But genetically modified animals don't just have a "bad rep" they are legitimately horrible.

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No one has eaten a gmo animal. 

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Um, are we talking about the same thing here?

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