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What are your thoughts on compulsory education. I personally think that whether or not the child goes to school should be up to the child and no one else, not his parents, not the school, not the police, not the government, if 8-year old Jimmy doesn't want to go to school he shouldn't have to. I don't like the idea of forcing someone to do anything they don't want to do and there are so many benefits to not going to school such as:

1. Being able to further pursue your interests

Let's say you're into video games and want to be an art designer for video games, knowing about the emancipation proclamation or how to play football is stupid and pointless for you or let's say you want to be a classical pianist, you don't need to know your times table or that George W. Bush was our president from 2001 to 2009. Not everyone wants to be a politician, scientist, author, or athlete and even if you want to be one of those you don't want to be all 5 of those so you're wasting your time learning all of this unnecessary knowledge.

2. School bullying would be non-existent

If it was up to the child whether or not he wanted to go to school the bullies wouldn't go to school and while this wouldn't get rid of bullies altogether since they would still be around, this means that bullies can't bully kids due to having bad grades due to the fact that the type of kids who would get F's would also choose not to go to school. This would also get rid of children getting in trouble for hitting back while fighting a bully.

3. The same applies to school shootings

If there wasn't compulsory education, columbine, sandy hook, and many other shootings would've never happened because if they had a bad experience at the school, they could've stopped going to school instead of having to suck it up until reaching a breaking point that involves lethal force.

4. There would be less teacher brutality

Teacher brutality is when a teacher uses violence to a student unfairly, such as forcefully restraining him for ripping up his math test or pinning a student to the ground for giving him the middle finger or ordering a 3 man restraint on somebody because he spit on the chalkboard. This stuff typically happens in behavior schools and since if kids with behavior issues had the choice they wouldn't go to school these schools wouldn't exist and these otherwise violent teachers would either have to be peaceful towards students or would get fired which would significantly reduce the amount of violence towards students since behavior schools often allow teachers to do this kind of stuff, I know this from personal experience.

5. Test scores would go up through the roof

Since if it were up to the child the only people who would go to school are the people who cared, that would mean that test scores would go up because there's no kids who have absolutely no interest in school to bring it down.

6. Kids would act their age

When kids go to school they often watch movies that they are way to old for. For example, they might show 6th graders The Lion King despite the movie being for kids 6 and under. If there were no uninterested kids in school then there would be no reason to show kids movies and instead they'd do more work and act their age.

Although I am against compulsory education I do think that school should be encouraged and that getting education should be easy for anyone if they want it. You could say that I'm pro-choice when it comes to a child's education.

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^That'd be foolish. Most kids (myself included) don't want to go to school at a certain age, or even throughout their education. But how are you expected to get a job if you don't have an education? You say classical pianist and an art designer- very few kids at the age of 7 would go "oh yeah I'm gonna be a professional pianist in 20 years time". They do maths, languages, sciences, trades etc. and realise that they're good at something and would like to continue expanding their knowledge on that topic. 

If we took your advice, the economy would be at a standstill as very few people would have any kind of qualifications. 

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6. Kids would act their age

When kids go to school they often watch movies that they are way to old for. For example, they might show 6th graders The Lion King despite the movie being for kids 6 and under. If there were no uninterested kids in school then there would be no reason to show kids movies and instead they'd do more work and act their age.

Although I am against compulsory education I do think that school should be encouraged and that getting education should be easy for anyone if they want it. You could say that I'm pro-choice when it comes to a child's education.  

The Lion King is basically Hamlet with lions instead of humans. I don't think a 6-year old would grasp and enjoy that concept whereas an EDUCATED adult would. Also, TLK is pretty traumatic- Mufasa dies, Scar gets mauled by his own workers, and Simba is left prodding his dead father and wondering why he won't wake up. It's a tough story to appreciate fully as a 6 year old.

 

Do you think all animation is for children?

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Define not all animation is for children. Just imagine the type of stuff people could be animating right now and ask yourself again. 

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Define not all animation is for children. Just imagine the type of stuff people could be animating right now and ask yourself again.   

Heh, I was thinking that myself but of course I mean mainstream animation that you don't have to PPV on some dodgy channel.

You have shows like The Boondocks, Drawn Together, Rick and Morty etc. that are targeted at adults but you have other works created by Disney, Dreamworks, Studio Ghibli, Aardman Animations, and the fantastic Irish 'Cartoon Saloon' and 'Brown Bag' that are family-friendly, suitable for people in their 80s, 40s, teens and infancy. 

To say that The Lion King is for kids under 6 is ludicrous. 

 

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Because people should watch the Lion King who are older than 6 because it isn’t just for kids, or are you saying the Lion King is inappropriate for children under 6?

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So if kids choose not to go to school, what would they do instead?

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Is all animation for children, absolutely not. Are all Disney movies for children, absolutely. This has nothing to do with compulsory education but I think a 7 year old is above the age demographic for most Disney movies. Who Framed Roger Rabbit and a few others are made for an older age demographic (3-13) but I'd consider that for children as well. I'm not saying that an adult can't watch The Lion King or The Loud House or Sesame Street but I believe that certain things are made for a certain group of people and that teachers shouldn't be showing middle school students Disney movies in the same way that I don't think a kindergarten teacher should show her students South Park: Bigger Longer and Uncut. I would go more in detail but I don't want to stray from the point.

As for your previous question:

But how are you expected to get a job if you don't have an education?

There are many ways around this, you could become an actor, game designer, rake people's lawns for money, shovel snow, etc. and also if most people didn't have an education then more places would allow uneducated people to work there. Also, I'm pretty sure that quite a few people would still go to school if they had the choice, my guess would be that it would be about 50/50.

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Starr Shine? said
So if kids choose not to go to school, what would they do instead?  

Have fun, there's so many things to do, I'm sure they'll find plenty of fun things to do.

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sir walter raleigh said
Because people should watch the Lion King who are older than 6 because it isn’t just for kids, or are you saying the Lion King is inappropriate for children under 6?  

Ah apologies I was a bit unclear, it belongs to that 'family friendly group' I mentioned above. It's suitable for everyone but DO seems to think only kids under 6 should watch it.

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So does this mean all of Ralph Bakshi's films are kid friendly?

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Starr Shine? said
So does this mean all of Ralph Bakshi's films are kid friendly?  

If you're replying to me, did I say at any point that all animated films are kid-friendly? No, I listed a few companies that on-the-whole make animated features that the entire family can watch. 

 

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My personal favorite movie ever is Fantastic Mr. Fox. Totally lighthearted and kid friendly with perfect directing and design, stellar music throughout, and a star studded cast. This is a common occurence in blockbuster animation. 

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Have fun, there's so many things to do, I'm sure they'll find plenty of fun things to do.  

Not without money/stability. If they aren't in school they might as well go start working. If the parents did that then we got ourselves potential for a serf system.

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But how are you expected to get a job if you don't have an education?

There are many ways around this, you could become an actor, game designer, rake people's lawns for money, shovel snow, etc. and also if most people didn't have an education then more places would allow uneducated people to work there. Also, I'm pretty sure that quite a few people would still go to school if they had the choice, my guess would be that it would be about 50/50.  

Actor and game designer both need education.

Also kids are short-sided. Depending on when school stops being required, I could see a much higher initial rate until the parents who care forcing their kids to go to school which would make the 50/50 rate swing in favor of schools.

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This is like removing all of the police because a minority are crooked.

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Good look** becoming an actor without having gone to drama school. The only way you'll succeed is having family connections, and even then they'll only get you so far. 

 

**The many hours later edit: Of course I meant 'luck' but fast fingers, and no proofreading= stupid mistakes. That, and I think it looks funny in a thread about education. So here it remains!!!

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Any actor worth their salt will get educated even with conections.

Game designers need loads of programing education.

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Good look becoming an actor without having gone to drama school. The only way you'll succeed is having family connections, and even then they'll only get you so far.   

You also can’t undersell the importance of being a sex predator in Hollywood. 

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stay-on-topic

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Even if these people need some education to succeed, a lot of what they learn is pointless. A football player doesn't need to know about how the Nazis double crossed the Russians during World War II a classical guitarist doesn't need to know how to draw abstract art a farmer doesn't need to know about the Magna Carta a vet doesn't need to know about Shakespeare etc.. Teach them what they need to know to succeed in life and nothing more, anything else is wasting their time.

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