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23 February 2017
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The Hole Got Fixed said
Could a mod please ‘moderate’ @Richman’s post?   

What’s your problem? 

23 February 2017
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Richman said

What’s your problem?   

Your post was originally awaiting moderation because you were a new user. The Hole Got Fixed was helping you get your comment seen.

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23 February 2017
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Pablo Ramon said

Your post was originally awaiting moderation because you were a new user. The Hole Got Fixed was helping you get your comment seen.  

 

I’m sorry! 

23 February 2017
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Sorry about that Richman… I didn’t think about how that could be interpreted differently!

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What do you guys think of self defense, both non-lethal (such as hitting someone back for hitting you first) and lethal (such as what they do in superhero movies), I think it’s perfectly acceptable but I’d like to know what you guys think.

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1 March 2017
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I fully support hit for hit style self defense, although I do think there needs to be some rules to it:

1. If you hit the person back, neither you or the other guy are allowed to press charges.

2. Hitting females, disabled people, and or anyone under the age of 16 is forbidden.

3. Don’t let it go on for too long, if a fight’s going on for too long, then someone should back off.

As for self defense that involves death and or serious injury to someone, I think it’s wrong because I believe that killing people is wrong regardless of the circumstances.

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1 March 2017
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Problem is with rule two gender idenity. Though would disabled include mental disabilities?

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1 March 2017
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I don’t know what the hell Starr Test means there, but it’s safe to assume disabled means one of these things:

Blind or legally blind

Deaf

Mute

Crippled or pretty much crippled

Mentally retarded

Amputee

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1 March 2017
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I had a philosophy minor for my BA and studied classical rhetoric (in addition to 20th century poetry) in graduate school. I have no interest in discussing philosophy with anyone, but I do frequently read books on metaphysics.

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1 March 2017
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You really should, it might be fun and you might like it.

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1 March 2017
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HMBeatlesfan said
You really should, it might be fun and you might like it.  

It’s only fun if you’re drunk or you enjoy being right.

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1 March 2017
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Off-topic but who the hell runs the @Starr Test account? I know it used to be SS? but who was it passed over to (seeing as we aren’t allowed multiple accounts except for Von Bon)? 

 

I think there could be problems with new users confusing SS? and Starr Test, hell it’s even confusing me! 

 

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Off-topic but who the hell runs the @Starr Test account? I know it used to be SS? but who was it passed over to (seeing as we aren’t allowed multiple accounts except for Von Bon)? 

 

I think there could be problems with new users confusing SS? and Starr Test, hell it’s even confusing me!   

As I understand it, Joe allowed it to be used by a personal friend of SgtPepper63 and HMBeatlesfan who for some reason did not want to our could not register his own username.

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1 March 2017
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I gave it to one of my friends who thought that he’d give foruming a try, I refuse to give you his name but I will say that he is a white male born in 1960 that has liked The Beatles since day one, although he doesn’t have as much in common as me as I wish he did, he is a nice guy and lives very close to me.

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1 March 2017
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^ Ah very good, howdy @Starr Test 

 

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Thought they were gonna contact a mod about a diffent display name.

It’s like a Starr Shine Junior?

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I don’t understand @Starr Test’s response at all.

His first example sounds more like two drunks swapping punches to see who can stay standing the longest. That’s not self-defense. If somebody launches an unprovoked assault on you, they don’t throw one punch and then say, “Your turn!” That sounds more like “shenanigans” from the Simpsons.

The idea that, if you’re attacked, and you defend yourself, you shouldn’t be allowed to press charges is ludicrous.

So, you’ve been attacked on your way home by someone out of their mind on drugs who needs money, and though you’ve done your best to defend yourself, you end up being badly beaten and robbed, and the person who has committed this CRIME you should allow to get away with it. Really?

Obviously, if it’s just a heat-of-the-moment thing between friends, maybe… but I’m not sure a falling-out between friends that’s made up the next day is what @HMBeatlesfan has in mind here.

And, the same counts for point two.

Now, I won’t pretend I have not hit a female. My younger sister and I had physical fights during our early years (probably up until around 10).

I was brought up never to hit a woman, and with the exception of Helen, I cannot think another woman I have ever hit. However, were I attacked by a woman, I would have no problem defending myself, including hitting back if necessary.

The same with someone with a disability. Does, as an example, an ex-soldier who’s lost a limb to an IED present a lesser threat to your life than an ex-soldier who hasn’t lost a limb? Both have had the same training to do damage.

And, while obviously you shouldn’t react to young children as you would otherwise, an attack by a 14-year-old 200lb 6ft youth could see you just as badly hurt as attack by someone of any age that size.

And the third just sounds like, again, fighting for fun. “Ooo! I’ve been trying to mug you for ten minutes, but you just keep on trying to stop me. Let’s just shake hands and forget it.”

Self-defense is a necessary evil in some situations. No more force than is necessary should be used. Should that self-defense result in serious injury or death, the justification should open to be examined in a court.

However, the laws which govern a justifiable response need to be strong. America has weak laws on what is self-defense, in my opinion. The murder of Travyon Martin showed that, shot for being African-American in a white area.

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Starr Test said
2. Hitting females,

Are you for or against gender equality? Because that is the sort of attitude that prevents gender equality. 

Actually, the above rant (which could have gone on for 9 paragraphs) is one of my biggest Pet Peeves. 

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Are you referring to Ron Nasty’s rant as a pet peeve? Because I agree with it. If I am attacked unprovoked, I don’t care who it is I will do what it takes to survive. Especially if they are armed. 

Do not fucking attack people. Period. 

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I was actually referring to my own rant!

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