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We Can Work It Out - Politics & Philosophy
26 February 2021
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What do Forumpudlians think of Lady Gaga offering a $500,000 "no questions asked" reward for information leading to the return of two of her dogs stolen during an attack which saw her dog-walker shot in the chest?

Her dog-walker was shot in the chest, and her only interest is her dogs, not capturing the person/people who shot someone she knows? WTF?

Shouldn't she really be offering a $500,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of the person who shot her employee and the return of her dogs?

For me there's something lacking in thinking the return of the dogs is more important than catching the shooter who stole the dogs, and if she does get the dogs back by paying half a million dollar, she's likely to be paying - via a go-between - the person/people who stole the dogs and shot someone.

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26 February 2021
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Lady Gaga isn't law enforcement. If I were her, I would also be more concerned with being reunited with my babies than revenge being brought onto the person who did that. It's not like that's going to heal the dog walker. 

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26 February 2021
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I guess she has the right to not care. But it's kinda fucked up.

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26 February 2021
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While it's certainly messed up that she's more concerned about her dogs than her employee, she knows the whereabouts of her employee whereas she doesn't about her dogs. However, if her employee was also kidnapped and she still only cared about finding her dogs, then she would be clearly in the wrong.

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There is no guarantee that finding the culprits of the shooting and kidnap will bring her dogs back so why not? I haven't read any of the news articles but for all I know Ms Gaga is paying all medical bills for the dog walker and the police have detailed descriptions of the criminals and are far on in their investigation. 

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26 February 2021
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Revenge is overrated. It is better to focus on getting dogs back.

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BREAKING NEWS

Lady Gaga's dogs recovered safely

 

STEFANIE DAZIO
Fri, February 26, 2021, 6:51 PM
 
 
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Lady Gaga's two French bulldogs, which were stolen by thieves who shot and wounded the dogwalker, were recovered unharmed Friday, Los Angeles police said.

A woman brought the dogs to the LAPD's Olympic Community Police Station, just northwest of downtown, around 6 p.m, said Capt. Jonathan Tippett, commanding officer of the elite Robbery-Homicide Division.

Lady Gaga’s representative and detectives went to the station and confirmed that they were the dogs.

The singer is currently in Rome to film a movie.

 

The woman who dropped off the dogs appears to be “”uninvolved and unassociated" with Wednesday night's attack, Tippett said.

It wasn't immediately clear how she obtained the dogs.

The dog walker, Ryan Fischer, was shot once as he walked three of the singer's dogs in Hollywood. Video showed a white sedan pulling up and two men jumping out. They struggled with the dog walker before one pulled a gun and fired a single shot before fleeing with two of the dogs.

The dog walker can be heard on the video saying he had been shot in the chest. Tippett said he is expected to survive his injuries.

Lady Gaga on Friday repeated her offer of a $500,000 reward for the return of her dogs — whose names are Koji and Gustav — with no questions asked.

“I continue to love you Ryan Fischer, you risked your life to fight for our family. You’re forever a hero," she said in an Instagram post.

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27 February 2021
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I'm happy for her and her dogs, and would also be happy if she donated an additional half-million to committed safe-gun-laws organizations.

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27 February 2021
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We don't even know who did, let alone how they got their gun and whether or not they have a criminal record and or a history of mental illness, so it'd be very strange to use this as an excuse to donate half a million dollars to an organization that supports gun control when we don't even know if any kind of gun control (short of a total gun ban, which is an extremely dangerous idea) would've stopped this shooting.

If anything, she should be using this to fight for universal healthcare. I wouldn't be surprised if Ryan's medical bills are more expensive than the bounty she placed on her dogs and if it weren't for Lady Gaga's wealth and generosity, Ryan could've gone bankrupt over this.

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1 March 2021
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1 March 2021
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Guy shaking his head appears to be rolling his eyes at the end there, possibly, but I wasn't sure. 

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Should political parties use litmus tests?

Personally, i think it depends on the issue. For example, many people on both sides use abortion as a litmus test. In this case i think it's wrong because ~1/3 of Republicans support Roe V. Wade and ~1/2 of Democrats support the Hyde Amendment and abortion isn't critical to how either party works.

However, the Republicans are supposed to believe in deregulation, low taxes, and a limited government whereas the Democrats are supposed to believe in government protections to help your average person. Yet because we don't have litmus tests on important economic issues, we have Republicans who support such "limited government" ideas as warrantless spying and wars without a clear objective and Democrats who support such "government protections" as outsourcing your jobs overseas and leaving healthcare to the free market.

If we can purge people like Lindsey Graham and Joe Biden out of parties whose ideals they don't represent, we would greatly improve both parties and as much as i despise Colin Powell and Howard Schultz, i greatly appreciate them voluntarily doing just that.

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12 March 2021
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Why do you keep bringing up abortions if you don't want to talk about it.

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It wasn't meant to be the main point of the topic, i was just giving an instance where i think a litmus test would be a bad idea, as both parties regularly give off the false illusion that their constituents take a strong stance on the issue.

Also, i never said that i didn't want to talk about the subject, i just pulled the plug on that specific conversation because i was worried that specific conversation was starting to turn sour and TBH i came out of that conversation with a completely different outlook on the issue but didn't want to pull out the white flag.

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13 March 2021
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I feel a litmus test would be a hugely reductive approach, @Dark Overlord. Political parties work best when they encompass a big tent of opinion, allowing for dissent and debate within the party to arrive at policy positions, along with future direction.

When parties reduce those things you need to believe to be counted as a representative of that political viewpoint, the more you narrow the debate, silencing dissenting voices along the way. Political parties constantly change their approach and intent on how to institute certain of their policies depending on the political climate and circumstances of the time, changes often brought about by those not necessarily among the most mainstream voices in their party at the time, and their voices are often the ones that allow a party to react to a situation that responding to properly, such as Covid-19, is outside the ideology of that party.

Isn't it only really parties like the Chinese Communist Party and whatever Putin's party is called in Russia that do political purges on party membership based on ideology, which is more-or-less your suggestion, often very bloodily? Is that really the example we should be looking to?

The narrower and more ideological the choices become, the narrower become the choices the public has because the debate has been stilled. It's how we lose democracy.

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Good point @Ron Nasty but regarding your 3rd paragraph:

Isn't it only really parties like the Chinese Communist Party and whatever Putin's party is called in Russia that do political purges on party membership based on ideology, which is more-or-less your suggestion, often very bloodily? Is that really the example we should be looking to?

Not really. First of all, the word bloodily is a strange word to use as i'm only talking about party expulsion, not killing them.

But it's not just the really bad parties that do these purges. In fact, the Whigs expelled president John Tyler in 1841 after vetoing a large number of bills supported by the party.

The narrower and more ideological the choices become, the narrower become the choices the public has because the debate has been stilled. It's how we lose democracy.

You're not wrong but at the same time, becoming too much of a big tent leads to the situation we're in now where the establishment of both US parties have more in common with each other than they do with their own constituents.

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