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For anyone who wants to celebrate Christmas, religious or not, I don’t see why not.  I’m not a Christian, but I still celebrate Christmas not only because my extended family does, but also because I think there should be at least one time of the year where we can all at least try to get along, regardless of the religious origins.  Christmas is supposed to be about generosity, so it just makes sense to me to open it up for all to enjoy.  Unfortunately, I think that for some people these days, the Christmas season is mostly about just buying, giving, and receiving gifts.  I don’t know if you can really call that “celebrating”. 

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If someone who doesn’t believe in god wants to celebrate Christmas, then who the hell are we to stop them. However, it would be stupid for someone who absolutely despises god to celebrate Christmas. For example, it wouldn’t bother me if Leonard Nimoy celebrated Christmas, but it would bother me if Adolf Hitler celebrated Chanukah or if Saddam Hussein celebrated the 4th of July.

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@Zig spoketh beautiful words 

Not all holidays are to be celebrated. Some are simply for remembrance.

At the same time, why can’t an Atheist celebrate Christmas? True, an Atheist does not believe in a God or Jesus or whatever. But an Atheist can celebrate the spirit of Christmas as in “peace on Earth and goodwill…” and all of that. Christmas means different things to different people, not just celebrating the birth of Christ – on the wrong date I might add – or giving gifts. 

Personally, I have no use for organized religion. Yet, Christmas is one of my favorite holidays because it seems to bring out the best in most people. I hang on to that with all my might.  

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Zig said

At the same time, why can’t an Atheist celebrate Christmas? True, an Atheist does not believe in a God or Jesus or whatever. But an Atheist can celebrate the spirit of Christmas as in “peace on Earth and goodwill…” and all of that. Christmas means different things to different people, not just celebrating the birth of Christ – on the wrong date I might add – or giving gifts. 
 

That isn’t the point LP Dragon was arguing about. She’s talking about people who hate the religion yet celebrating their holidays.

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This one isn’t as controversial as some of the other topics mentioned, but what do you think about some schools banning peanut products. This pisses me off for several reasons that I will discuss. First, most people who are allergic to peanut butter just get a rash and 99% of people with peanut allergies don’t react unless if they eat it and I actually have a friend who used to get a rash when he ate peanut products but ate them anyways. Next, who the hell are you to prevent a kid from eating a certain type of food, just because I am allergic to something doesn’t mean I should ban it. Also, kind of off topic, but despite lies told by teachers an other “professionals,” it is damn well possible to lose your allergy to peanuts and I personally know people who that’s happened to. Lastly, if you’re scolding peanuts, why not dairy as well, there are people who are allergic to that (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…..L-her.html), try finding someone who’s that allergic to peanut butter. In conclusion, schools can be real cocksuckers when it comes to stuff and this is a big example.

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I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Just send your kid to school with cashew butter instead. Cashew butter tastes way better than peanut butter. 

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Starr Shine? said

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At the same time, why can’t an Atheist celebrate Christmas? True, an Atheist does not believe in a God or Jesus or whatever. But an Atheist can celebrate the spirit of Christmas as in “peace on Earth and goodwill…” and all of that. Christmas means different things to different people, not just celebrating the birth of Christ – on the wrong date I might add – or giving gifts. 
 

That isn’t the point LP Dragon was arguing about. She’s talking about people who hate the religion yet celebrating their holidays.  

The only sentence I was responding to was Will’s when he said “Well anybody should be able to celebrate anything they want reguardless of their beliefs.” I was agreeing with that point regardless of what anyone else was saying.

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Little Piggy Dragonguy said
I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Just send your kid to school with cashew butter instead. Cashew butter tastes way better than peanut butter.   

To you, but what about if I don’t like cashew butter and all I want for lunch is a classic PB&J, do I have to hide it in my pocket eat it in the bathroom like how I used to put cigarettes in my pocket and smoke them after I took a piss, or should I play hooky just to eat it. If I had a kid, I would give him a PB&J and tell him to tell his teachers to fuck off if they didn’t let him eat it and to spit in their food if they tried to take the sandwich away.

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To you, but what about if I don’t like cashew butter and all I want for lunch is a classic PB&J, do I have to hide it in my pocket eat it in the bathroom like how I used to put cigarettes in my pocket and smoke them after I took a piss, or should I play hooky just to eat it. If I had a kid, I would give him a PB&J and tell him to tell his teachers to fuck off if they didn’t let him eat it and to spit in their food if they tried to take the sandwich away.  

 

You just have to lie and say it’s almond/cashew/hazelnut butter. They won’t know the difference. 

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The only sentence I was responding to was Will’s when he said “Well anybody should be able to celebrate anything they want reguardless of their beliefs.” I was agreeing with that point regardless of what anyone else was saying.

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I think it’s kind of stupid for schools to ban peanut products just because some kids may be allergic to them. People can be allergic to any food and a number of other things, including certain types of fabrics and medications. Does that mean we should ban all foods? All clothing and medicine? Of course not! We just have to be careful to keep kids with allergies from coming into contact with things that might set them off. And this is coming from someone who has multiple food allergies himself.

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Yeah, I’m allergic to most soaps, but I still used the soap at my school even though it would give me a rash and sometimes make my hands bleed, but I never asked for them to ban the soap they used. 

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It’s so some kid doesn’t eat a peanut lion bar, get ill, nearly die and the parents/guardians sue. It’s pathetic but a response to all the other money grabbing chancers out there who will sue anyone for anything.

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Which is why schools get medical information about the students. So that doesn’t happen.

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People with severe nut allergies have been demonstrated to have allergic reactions to airborne particulate matter containing tiny amounts of nuts. I’m not sure how peanut butter could really fit in and, frankly while some may enjoy cashew butter it’s also a hell of a lot more expensive than peanut butter, which is a real factor for many families.

I don’t know how severe a reaction from airborne nut particles can be, but to a parent, any risk of your kid going into anaphylaxis is enough to cause hysteria, particularly when you can’t afford to have your kid carrying an epipen around.

I don’t think it’s about lawsuits as much as it’s about safety and/or providing assurance to anxious parents. 

I’m all for eating whatever you want, but does your right to eat PB&J outweigh some kid’s right to breathe? 

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I think if schools are really going to get serious about banning things that might cause serious, life-threatening reactions in children, they have to ban all of them rather than just some.

Example: I see a lot of schools ignoring things that might potentially cause life-threatening reactions in asthmatics. There have been a distressing amount of cases of children dying because their schools refused to let them carry their inhalers or refused to help them avoid potential triggers. 

My school refused to do anything when the body sprays everyone used in the locker rooms kept causing me to have attacks. (This, despite the fact that they had a special room for kids with food allergies to have lunch in so they wouldn’t be exposed to allergens.) They even tried to prevent me from carrying my inhaler with me because they thought I might “abuse” it and “didn’t really need to have it with me 24/7.” I had to conceal it, run to the bathroom if I ever had to use it, and pray I wouldn’t pass out on the way there.

When schools take one kid’s medical condition super seriously and completely dismiss others, it just becomes hypocritical and insulting. Especially when 8.6% of kids in the U.S. have asthma, which is very similar to the number of kids that have food allergies.

So, basically, my problem isn’t with banning things in itself. It’s with the fact that schools will ban some things to appease outspoken parents while ignoring other things that are potentially just as deadly. I think if they won’t take all threats this seriously, they should find a more “middle ground” thing do to, like how I previously mentioned my school having a specific dining area for kids with severe food allergies. Many schools already keep nut products in sealed packaging, which is a step in the right direction, I think!

I could have expressed my thoughts better in my first post, my apologies for that. I hope my reasoning is more clear now!

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I’d kick up hell if I couldn’t carry my essential medication with me. I’m not risking death or serious illness because some fool thinks it may be abused or it falls short of some idiotic guideline.

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I really hate how many schools deal with chronically ill kids in general, to be honest. I see too many children with debilitating conditions being accused of faking or exaggerating their illnesses just to get out of class. Most of the time, these kids want to go to class and they truly do want to learn, they just can’t due to things beyond their control.

The creation of online schooling options was a godsend for me. I’m able to take all of my classes online, which has completely eliminated a lot of the things that had been holding me back in public schools. I got straight A’s last semester, and I’m on track to graduate this semester. I honestly never thought anything like that would happen to me.

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moriz said

My school refused to do anything when the body sprays everyone used in the locker rooms kept causing me to have attacks. They even tried to prevent me from carrying my inhaler with me because they thought I might “abuse” it and “didn’t really need to have it with me 24/7.” I had to conceal it, run to the bathroom if I ever had to use it, and pray I wouldn’t pass out on the way there.

I’m also asthmatic, and my school said to me “Grow up” when I said that. So you’re not alone!

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