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*Quick Note: Trump is neither “morbidly obese” nor obese at all. According to his BMI, he’s just overweight (he’s 6’3″ and does not weigh over 300 lbs.)– however, he is not obese. So really Pelosi’s comment is based on nothing but her on surmises and feelings. That doesn’t invalidate RN’s point that taking the drug in question could kill him, though. I was just bothered by the fact that calling Trump “morbidly obese” didn’t really have any medical proof behind it. 

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Nancy Pelosi was exploiting Trump’s extremely obvious insecurities. He is someone who has made fun of the physical appearance of many others, including overweight folks. His name-calling exposes his own insecurity. There should be no doubt that while he may not meet the medical definition of “morbidly obese”, he is medically obese (BMI > 30) and lives on cheeseburgers and diet coke. It absolutely should give pause to anyone who has concerns with the physical and mental health of the President of the United States that he is prophylactically taking hydroxychloroquine, a medication which has absolutely no capacity to prevent infection and the therapeutic value of which against COVID-19 is supported by anecdotal evidence at best. It’s also been demonstrated in informal studies (non-blind, non peer-reviewed) to be dangerous.

The Fox News anchor who initially reported this on Fox News had a notably negative reaction, which of course, prompted our prez to attack him on Twitter. Since then the Trump sycophants on the network have taken their usual boot-licking approach in reporting this development.

The general fear, of course, is that others will now put themselves in danger by imitating him. And some will undoubtedly do so.

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While it’s true that Trump has made many incredibly offensive comments towards various groups, it’s in our interest to be the better man and not do the same to him. Doing otherwise just makes the Democrats look just as immature as him.

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Dark Overlord said
While it’s true that Trump has made many incredibly offensive comments towards various groups, it’s in our interest to be the better man and not do the same to him. Doing otherwise just makes the Democrats look just as immature as him.

  

I agree and I also don’t. I generally think the high road is the way to go, and I’d much prefer we all rise above the stupidity and baseness.

On the other hand, I also appreciate that pushing Trump’s buttons in this way can be a valid strategy for provocation…

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Seems like the Republicans are allowed to name call while the Democrats aren’t. 

 

If no one cares when trump does it, shouldn’t care when nancy does it. 

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But what good can possibly come out of calling Trump morbidly obese? If i were going to strategically provoke him, i’d say something that actually points out serious flaws in his logic.

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But what good can possibly come out of calling Trump morbidly obese? If i were going to strategically provoke him, i’d say something that actually points out serious flaws in his logic.

I’d suggest that him taking the FDA unapproved for COVID-19 hydroxychloroquine, claiming it’s perfectly safe despite the scientific evidence, and pointing out it’s actually extremely dangerous for people such as him, who are overweight, does point out serious flaws in his logic.

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Good point but that video is extremely biased and uninformed and at the end of the day, it just sounds like 18 minutes of some guy making the Democrats seem like the heroes and the Republicans seem like the villains.

In reality they agree on most things, it’s just that Democrats want slow, incremental change while the Republicans want no change at all (except to revert change).

This is why i’m an independent who hates both parties.

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Dark Overlord said
But what good can possibly come out of calling Trump morbidly obese? If i were going to strategically provoke him, i’d say something that actually points out serious flaws in his logic.

I’d suggest that him taking the FDA unapproved for COVID-19 hydroxychloroquine, claiming it’s perfectly safe despite the scientific evidence, and pointing out it’s actually extremely dangerous for people such as him, who are overweight, does point out serious flaws in his logic.

Don’t get me wrong, it makes him look like an idiot when he ignores science for Alex Jones-esque “cures” but falsely labeling him as morbidly obese doesn’t point out serious flaws in Trump’s logic at all. In fact, it’s no better then when Kamala Harris suggested that he was intellectually disabled.

Here’s the statement at face value:

“I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by the scientists, especially in his age group and in his, shall we say, weight group,” Pelosi said. “He’s morbidly obese, they say.”

While some may look at this and think that it’s just Nancy Pelosi wishing the best for her friend, this is someone she ruthlessly tried to get removed from office (possibly with selfish intentions) via an extremely partisan impeachment.

Also, notice how she added extra emphasis on his weight, even though his age is just as (if not more) important of a factor here. She could’ve just said “…especially in his age and weight group” but you can tell she really wanted to throw in a cleverly placed playground insult.

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I just think politics are so extreme in many countries at the moment, be it left or right, that those in the centre can say little without being attacked by members of their own party and the opposition. The truth is that Nancy Pelosi isn’t left enough for many youngsters on the left, and so they will find anything they can to beat over the head with.

I wonder if many would be criticising the statement had Bernie made it…

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But what good can possibly come out of calling Trump morbidly obese? If i were going to strategically provoke him, i’d say something that actually points out serious flaws in his logic.

  

Which wouldn’t provoke him at all. Name calling is what gets under his second-grade skin.

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I do like how Nancy pointedly appended “…they say” to the “morbidly obese”, echoing the President’s own favoured “…many people are saying…” rhetorical device for extra ironic effect.

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I just think politics are so extreme in many countries at the moment, be it left or right, that those in the centre can say little without being attacked by members of their own party and the opposition. The truth is that Nancy Pelosi isn’t left enough for many youngsters on the left, and so they will find anything they can to beat over the head with.

I wonder if many would be criticising the statement had Bernie made it…

While i agree that there’s such a harsh political divide around the world (especially in America), i feel it’s worth pointing out that there’s 2 types of centrists:

First, there’s the anti-centrists (ie An-Cap, Libertarian, Classical Liberal) that despise both sides and want to limit the government’s role to only what’s necessary (or even abolish it entirely) so we can make the world a better place for all. Personally, i’d say that i fall within this range since while i lean left, i think the main problem is that our government has too much power yet the government fails to step in on the rare occasion that it actually should like Medicare for all.

Then, there’s the Democrats like Nancy Pelosi that are bought and paid for by huge corporations and support slow incremental progress as opposed to actual progress. Instead of wanting to make the world a better place, Democrats (along with Republicans) just want to make a profit.

As for the question about Bernie, i have no problem criticizing him. While he’s better then the corporate cronies like Trump and Pelosi, he’s still an incredibly flawed politician.

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I’d much rather have Bernie running right now than have two presidential candidates who both have oatmeal-for-brains and who both have been accused of sexual assault.

Yeah, so Bernie’s a flawed politician, but at least he has a fecking stance on things and is ready and willing to do stuff about it. I’m sick of the Democrats trying so hard to be placid centrists when it comes to playing politics and choosing candidates so as to rock the boat, but all it gets us is another shitty candidate like Joe Biden whose policies are as appealing and beneficial to the country as freaking white bread. At least Bernie actually had motive and spirit and a plan to make America better, and might’ve actually had a chance against the big orange idiot we have in office now. But noooooo we have to choose Biden, a candidate who has not only been accused of sexual assault, but has had a history of homophobia, racism, and misogyny that, what? Has just disappeared? He’s “good” now? I just can’t……paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

While some may find it biased, I actually find that video that SS? posted to hold some truth– Democratic leaders these days are so placid, all they want to do is appease and appease in the hopes that maybe we’ll get farther with some real change and justice just by being “nice” and moral like our mommies and daddies and cartoons taught us to be. But all that earns us is that now we’re total pushovers in Trump’s administration, with Pelosi as our “spokesperson” spitting out bullshit. And everytime a potentially strong candidate like Bernie shows up, Dems just have to shut him down because he might be too progressive and might ruin all the compromise and asskissing that they all set up. And it all blows up in their face again when they find that the candidate they chose to run against the big orange idiot is just some perverted old oatmeal put into human form and that all he’s going to do for anybody is put Trump in office another 4 years, because God only knows if anyone’s going to vote for Biden now……I certainly wouldn’t (If I could) paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

Also, one last note: I hate centrists– not personally, just generally. They do nothing for anybody and they’re not helpful at all. 

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Myself, from a UK perspective, I like centrists. The centre left gave us a Labour Government for over a decade which did much good after 18 years of Tory destruction, and when the far-left took over the party, they lost members (including myself), became antisemitic, which drove out more members of the party, including sitting MPs, and made themselves unelectable. I’m watching the new leader, Sir Keir Starmer, very carefully, hoping he will move the party back toward the centre so that I can not only rejoin the party but have a party I can vote for again.

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God only knows if anyone’s going to vote for Biden now……I certainly wouldn’t (If I could)

It’s either him or Trump. I’d rather not have Trump tbh.

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God only knows if anyone’s going to vote for Biden now……I certainly wouldn’t (If I could)

It’s either him or Trump. I’d rather not have Trump tbh.

  

I’d vote for a rotting potato over Trump. 

Many many years ago, way before Trump was in politics, some time in post-9/11 NYC, I recall waiting in a long Christmastime line at Toys-R-Us and they were promoting a Trump action figure. The poor employee assigned to promote the things looked me in the eye and asked if I wanted to buy one for my kids. I replied that I would sooner buy an Osama Bin Laden action figure for my kid than one of Trump. 

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God only knows if anyone’s going to vote for Biden now……I certainly wouldn’t (If I could)

It’s either him or Trump. I’d rather not have Trump tbh.

But it doesn’t have to be that way. We also have Jacob Hornberger (Libertarian), Howie Hawkins (Green), Mark Charles (Independent), and many more candidates that aren’t corrupt senile rapists. It’s just that the Republicans and Democrats want you to think that it’s Biden vs Trump because they’re the parties of Wall Street.

Personally, i plan on voting for Jacob Hornberger because while his stance on healthcare and the free market is extremely naive, i agree with him on pretty much everything else and he’s the only major 3rd party candidate that has something for both Never Trump Republicans and Never Biden Democrats. My hope is that he wins at least one state, forcing a contingent election, and hopefully his stance on free market capitalism makes these corporate cronies vote for him.

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Starr Shine? said
Seems like the Republicans are allowed to name call while the Democrats aren’t. 

 

If no one cares when trump does it, shouldn’t care when nancy does it. 

  

We do care when Trump does it, and I also care that Nancy did it. This is the federal government of the United States of America and they’re resorted to schoolyard insults– you’re FAT! Next we’ll probably hear, “you’re UGLY! you’re STUPID!” That’s childish, hurtful, and won’t achieve anything. I mean, look at Trump. He’s not morbidly obese. But her saying that could be really hurtful not only to Trump but people all over the country, who may well say “hmph, the Democrats called me fat, I’m voting for Trump to get back at them.” I have no interest in the political affiliations of whoever said it, it was a stupid thing to say and it is not conduct befitting anyone on that level of government.

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I just think politics are so extreme in many countries at the moment, be it left or right, that those in the centre can say little without being attacked by members of their own party and the opposition. The truth is that Nancy Pelosi isn’t left enough for many youngsters on the left, and so they will find anything they can to beat over the head with.

I wonder if many would be criticising the statement had Bernie made it…

Yes we fucking would– I would, anyway. Why would I admire anyone with the audacity to sink down to Trump’s level?

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God only knows if anyone’s going to vote for Biden now……I certainly wouldn’t (If I could)

It’s either him or Trump. I’d rather not have Trump tbh.

But it doesn’t have to be that way. We also have Jacob Hornberger (Libertarian), Howie Hawkins (Green), Mark Charles (Independent), and many more candidates that aren’t corrupt senile rapists. It’s just that the Republicans and Democrats want you to think that it’s Biden vs Trump because they’re the parties of Wall Street.

Personally, i plan on voting for Jacob Hornberger because while his stance on healthcare and the free market is extremely naive, i agree with him on pretty much everything else and he’s the only major 3rd party candidate that has something for both Never Trump Republicans and Never Biden Democrats. My hope is that he wins at least one state, forcing a contingent election, and hopefully his stance on free market capitalism makes these corporate cronies vote for him.

  

The fact is it really is Biden vs. Trump. I’ve never heard of Jacob Hornberger in my life. If you’re voting based on principle alone that’s fine and good but none of those people have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning this election. The way American politics work it’s simply not going to happen. I don’t like Biden and I really don’t like Trump, but our president is going to be one of those two (unless maybe one of them dies and is replaced by someone else? I’m not sure what would happen in that situation). It really, really sucks, because they’re both terrible, but I just don’t see any other options.

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