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I like the way you think a-hard-days-night-john-6I love what you've said in regards to green architecture - I love any combination of nature and urbanism (Central Park is a great example of this, nothing beats being in a gorgeous forest whilst being able to look through the trees and see skyscrapers), so a development I'd like to see is more ways to work trees and plants into our city centres. I'd love it if we were able to reduce the amount of roads in city centres and instead use that space for greenery.

My feelings on cars are similar - I enjoy driving too, and it's great as a means of getting around on your own terms and schedule (I live in a semi-suburban area of a town, but most of my local friends are in different villages dotted all over the place, which meant that us passing our driving tests increased the amount we can hang out probably fivefold, which is great), but in an urban context I just find it unpleasant and unnecessary, particularly in big cities. I guess the ideal situation would be personal vehicles that are affordable and not pollutants - could electric cars be the answer? I'm unsure personally, since obviously that electricity has to come from somewhere, and I've heard they're very expensive to make, but I think perhaps given some work they could provide a credible large-scale alternative to our currently unsustainable driving habits.

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In re: cars, I've heard promising things about fuel cells and hydrogen-powered cars. My understanding is that electric cars are somewhat overrated environmentally-friendliness-wise, especially if they're powered by fossil-fuel power plants. Nuclear power (fission) is preferable, but we'll really be in the future when we figure out how to properly do fusion power. HARNESS THE POWER OF THE STARS(TM)

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I took a three hour walk today, if everyone took three hour walks while maintaining social distance, we can all walk to our locations.

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I like the way you think a-hard-days-night-john-6I love what you've said in regards to green architecture - I love any combination of nature and urbanism (Central Park is a great example of this, nothing beats being in a gorgeous forest whilst being able to look through the trees and see skyscrapers), so a development I'd like to see is more ways to work trees and plants into our city centres. I'd love it if we were able to reduce the amount of roads in city centres and instead use that space for greenery.

My feelings on cars are similar - I enjoy driving too, and it's great as a means of getting around on your own terms and schedule (I live in a semi-suburban area of a town, but most of my local friends are in different villages dotted all over the place, which meant that us passing our driving tests increased the amount we can hang out probably fivefold, which is great), but in an urban context I just find it unpleasant and unnecessary, particularly in big cities. I guess the ideal situation would be personal vehicles that are affordable and not pollutants - could electric cars be the answer? I'm unsure personally, since obviously that electricity has to come from somewhere, and I've heard they're very expensive to make, but I think perhaps given some work they could provide a credible large-scale alternative to our currently unsustainable driving habits.

I very much agree and am also a big fan of integrating natural elements into urban settings. Make our cities green and beautiful!

And while I'm not a big fan at all of cars crowding cities and of cars' effect on the environment, I can relate to how driving is a plus when it comes to freedom of personal transportation. In the suburbs in which I live you absolutely need a car to get around and it's definitely not a walking community. You can't productively walk anywhere without having to walk on the road, which is not very safe at all, and everything is very spread out, so its a long way to the shops or other neighborhoods. I need transportation via car in order to get anywhere. The only place I can walk is to houses around my own neighborhood, the woods, or the horse stables (and, no, I can't ride a horse around. I mean, I would love to, but I can't). I want to live badly in a place where a car isn't needed, so that's why I'm planning on going to college in the city, where I can walk mostly everywhere/take public transportation (there's a trolley line that goes all around the city and into outside suburban areas, so if I need to pop home I can just take the trolley to my township's station). Plus, in Pittsburgh, public transport is free for college students, as well as admissions to all museums (so I can pop into the local Andy Warhol museum and listen to the Velvet Underground while I peruse any time I please a-hard-days-night-george-10) and tickets to concerts and the theater are reduced price. And while all of my friends are saving up for cars and gas, I'm saving up my money to study abroad (and to buy guitars and a turntable and records and other fun possessions but the point is that the majority of my savings is going to my cultural education). Not having a car will save me money in the long run, since I won't have to spend it on gas, insurance, and repair in addition to buying the actual car itself.

Anyhoo, enough rambling......

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In re: cars, I've heard promising things about fuel cells and hydrogen-powered cars. My understanding is that electric cars are somewhat overrated environmentally-friendliness-wise, especially if they're powered by fossil-fuel power plants. Nuclear power (fission) is preferable, but we'll really be in the future when we figure out how to properly do fusion power. HARNESS THE POWER OF THE STARS(TM)

Electric cars are very much overrated when it comes to the environment, but it depends on where you live and where your local grid gets the electricity from (i.e. if your grid's electricity comes from fossil fuel power plants, as Beatlebug pointed out, as opposed to renewable energy like solar power). But also there's a lot of rare-earth metals that go into the make of electric cars and especially their batteries, which are acquired through mining, and there's a lot of unethical environmental practices happening in those scenes. So building electric cars is not that environmentally friendly at all (presently I'm trying to dig up the article I read on it some time ago), but they are more sustainable overall when being used compared to regular gas-guzzling cars.

However, I really hope that humanity can pool together its technological and scientific knowledge to find new solutions (the only thing standing in the way, really, are companies that don't want to give up their profits to save their planet)

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Electric cars are very much overrated when it comes to the environment, but it depends on where you live and where your local grid gets the electricity from (i.e. if your grid's electricity comes from fossil fuel power plants, as Beatlebug pointed out, as opposed to renewable energy like solar power). But also there's a lot of rare-earth metals that go into the make of electric cars and especially their batteries, which are acquired through mining, and there's a lot of unethical environmental practices happening in those scenes. So building electric cars is not that environmentally friendly at all (presently I'm trying to dig up the article I read on it some time ago), but they are more sustainable overall when being used compared to regular gas-guzzling cars.

Ah yes, forgot about the rare-earth metals thing, thanks for bringing them up.

However, I really hope that humanity can pool together its technological and scientific knowledge to find new solutions (the only thing standing in the way, really, are companies that don't want to give up their profits to save their planet)

I imagine it's a lot more nuanced than that. a-hard-days-night-ringo-12

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I took a three hour walk today, if everyone took three hour walks while maintaining social distance, we can all walk to our locations.

I love long walks, but that's just not practical when you live in the suburbs, as I and many others do. There are no sidewalks, cars go by too fast and it's dangerous, the infrastructure just isn't there.

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I see no reason why you can't ride a horse around, @lovelyritametermaid a-hard-days-night-john-6I am very jealous of your access to the Andy Warhol museum, but I don't envy you for living in suburbia. My town is enough of a cultural wasteland as it is, the last thing it needs is miles of soulless identical neighbourhoods...  I'm in a terraced street five minutes away from the centre, so it's pretty much ideal in terms of access, but I would like to have had a little more garden space growing up.

*Beatlebug posted some wonderful photos of green architecture*

God damn those are stunning, particularly the last one. I'm currently trying to find a specific photo I have saved somewhere of a similar thing, where it's a kind of jagged brutalist style building with trees kind of integrated into the design. I'll post it when I find it...

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I know electric cars are by no means perfect, but at least they don't used gasoline/oil, which has been the spark of so many terrible conflicts. I know they're bad but at least they're better. (Especially if they're charged with power gotten from wind or solar.)

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I think in general it would be a good idea to shift to using electric cars, but it'll only be really effective once we replace fossil fuels with a mixture of renewable energy like Fiddy mentioned, and also nuclear power.

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I hope a shift to electric cars encourages a shift in pop music back to electric guitars

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Ehhhh, electric guitars are overused. What I want to see in pop music is cool rhythms and percussion - there's so much potential in that regard within pop and dance music, but it's always the same trap beats and snare sound. I think trap beats will be remembered as the gated reverb drums of the 2010s.

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I think in general it would be a good idea to shift to using electric cars, but it'll only be really effective once we replace fossil fuels with a mixture of renewable energy like Fiddy mentioned, and also nuclear power.

I don't know about nuclear power, but yes, renewable energy is very important.

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I'm not personally very knowledgeable on the nuances of the discussion over which sources of power are best, but from what I've read it does seem like nuclear is a much better alternative to fossil fuels, and that a system combining it with renewable energy sources would probably be best overall. According to Wikipedia, "since its commercialisation in the 1970s, nuclear power has prevented about 1.84 million air pollution-related deaths and the emission of about 64 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent that would have otherwise resulted from the burning of fossil fuels".

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Ehhhh, electric guitars are overused. What I want to see in pop music is cool rhythms and percussion - there's so much potential in that regard within pop and dance music, but it's always the same trap beats and snare sound. I think trap beats will be remembered as the gated reverb drums of the 2010s.

Then may I suggest Vampire Weekend? They do use electric guitars, but some of their influences include jazz, elements of hip-hop, world music (and subsequently Talking Heads) (however, their most recent album is inspired by jam bands but it's still pretty excellent). A lot of their music has cool rhythms and beats used that I'd think you'd enjoy.

I'd think you'd like the lead singer, Ezra Koenig, a lot, too. a-hard-days-night-george-10 (I know I do-- I listen to his internet radio show on a weekly basis)

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I'm not personally very knowledgeable on the nuances of the discussion over which sources of power are best, but from what I've read it does seem like nuclear is a much better alternative to fossil fuels, and that a system combining it with renewable energy sources would probably be best overall. According to Wikipedia, "since its commercialisation in the 1970s, nuclear power has prevented about 1.84 million air pollution-related deaths and the emission of about 64 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent that would have otherwise resulted from the burning of fossil fuels".

Nuclear power is a much better source-- we humans just need to figure out better ways to handle it safely so we don't have situations like Chernobyl. We also need to find different ways of disposing and handling nuclear waste, because right now we just throw it in containers and bury it (it's probably more complicated than that, I need to research more, but I read somewhere that it's still not very effective or safe.)

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^Rita, my understanding is that we have improved nuclear power plant technology vastly in the last not-quite-24 years, and the possibility of another Chernobyl is extremely unlikely, since Chernobyl happened under extraordinary circumstances (a LOT of things went wrong, loads of corner-cutting and malpractice on top of an outdated cut-cornered design).

We do need to figure out what to do with nuclear waste, though.

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Nuclear power is lovely and clean and all those things, but it's so dangerous. I really fear that it will become a major source of power and, if that happens, another accident is inevitable. I still prefer it over coal but it's one of my least favorite renewable energy sources. Too risky for me, when we could use geothermal/solar/wind/small hydro/possibly biofuel.

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lovelyritametermaid said

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Ehhhh, electric guitars are overused. What I want to see in pop music is cool rhythms and percussion - there's so much potential in that regard within pop and dance music, but it's always the same trap beats and snare sound. I think trap beats will be remembered as the gated reverb drums of the 2010s.

Then may I suggest Vampire Weekend? They do use electric guitars, but some of their influences include jazz, elements of hip-hop, world music (and subsequently Talking Heads) (however, their most recent album is inspired by jam bands but it's still pretty excellent). A lot of their music has cool rhythms and beats used that I'd think you'd enjoy.

I'd think you'd like the lead singer, Ezra Koenig, a lot, too. a-hard-days-night-george-10 (I know I do-- I listen to his internet radio show on a weekly basis)

I love Vampire Weekend! Modern Vampires of the City is my favouriteheart

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Ehhhh, electric guitars are overused. What I want to see in pop music is cool rhythms and percussion - there's so much potential in that regard within pop and dance music, but it's always the same trap beats and snare sound. I think trap beats will be remembered as the gated reverb drums of the 2010s.

Then may I suggest Vampire Weekend? They do use electric guitars, but some of their influences include jazz, elements of hip-hop, world music (and subsequently Talking Heads) (however, their most recent album is inspired by jam bands but it's still pretty excellent). A lot of their music has cool rhythms and beats used that I'd think you'd enjoy.

I'd think you'd like the lead singer, Ezra Koenig, a lot, too. a-hard-days-night-george-10 (I know I do-- I listen to his internet radio show on a weekly basis)

I love Vampire Weekend! Modern Vampires of the City is my favouriteheart

Oh, wonderful! I was hoping to find another VW fan on the forum! I, too, absolutely love Modern Vampires but I have to say that Father of the Bride is my favorite.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif *sighs* yet another band on the "been meaning to investigate" list for years and years...blue-meanie

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Is there anything enacted because of the coronavirus that you'd like to continue once the virus is over?

While i disagree with any sort of enforcement, there are a few things that i wish would voluntarily continue:

1. I think people should continue to only drive to essential places like work and grocery shopping because it's had a positive impact on the environment

2. I think the police should never return to arresting non-violent offenders because our prisons should only be for those who are a threat to society

3. I think people should continue to use social distancing because it never hurts to do so and you never know when the next pandemic is coming

4. I think we should stop going to things like rock concerts and football games for the reasons stated above as well as the fact that livestreaming these events from a remote location would make them more accessible to those who live in a place where popular artists rarely perform

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I am not gonna give up my rock concerts, doggone it, and I think I speak on behalf of the entire South when I say that we will secede again if our college sports are messed with a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

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This virus has turned out to have a lower death rate than expected, it's not worth giving up the economic stimulus, people's livelihoods, and FUN that rock concerts and football games entail.

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