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Apparently so. They weren't exactly the candies we know and love/hate* today, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....ow#History

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Apparently so. They weren't exactly the candies we know and love/hate* today, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....ow#History

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Technically those weren't vegan if they were made with honey... but that still answers my question, so thanks. apple01

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I feel like the most beneficial part to being vegan is the health factor so I don't understand why anyone would even want a vegan version of a processed food that's bad for you.

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I dunno, I've heard of a lot of vegans who had to stop being vegan for health reasons (they weren't getting enough essential nutrients). I guess it depends on how you do it, you have to be very careful. Anyway, everyone's got to live a little on occasion, right? mccartney-shrug_01_gif

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It definitely depends, but I feel like the people who try to go Vegan and then eat things like vegan marshmallows instead of actual fruits and vegetables are the most likely to end up that way.  Things being marketed as vegan doesn't make them healthy.

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You can be a vegan and be a fat arse, after all Oreos are vegan 😉

My pet peeve seeing pears imported from South Africa in supermarkets, something has gone wrong when my fruit is better travelled than me. I know capitalism is glorious but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing quotas/high import taxes on out of season fruit that you're importing from other continents, with the hope that people will cop on and not buy produce that is contributing highly to climate change. Nobody needs pears that badly that you can't wait until autumn when you can buy them from down the road.

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You can be a vegan and be a fat arse, after all Oreos are vegan 😉

My pet peeve seeing pears imported from South Africa in supermarkets, something has gone wrong when my fruit is better travelled than me. I know capitalism is glorious but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing quotas/high import taxes on out of season fruit that you're importing from other continents, with the hope that people will cop on and not buy produce that is contributing highly to climate change. Nobody needs pears that badly that you can't wait until autumn when you can buy them from down the road.

This is a good point, but really the priority should be cutting down on animal products since that industry contributes more to emissions than transportation (which likely includes transporting the foreign fruit you mentioned).  Obviously buying local is better, but any produce is already a massive improvement.

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You can be a vegan and be a fat arse, after all Oreos are vegan 😉

My pet peeve seeing pears imported from South Africa in supermarkets, something has gone wrong when my fruit is better travelled than me. I know capitalism is glorious but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing quotas/high import taxes on out of season fruit that you're importing from other continents, with the hope that people will cop on and not buy produce that is contributing highly to climate change. Nobody needs pears that badly that you can't wait until autumn when you can buy them from down the road.

This is a good point, but really the priority should be cutting down on animal products since that industry contributes more to emissions than transportation (which likely includes transporting the foreign fruit you mentioned).  Obviously buying local is better, but any produce is already a massive improvement.

Hey I don't eat meat, I'm carrying my weight 😉 We should just get rid of cows, mass pollutants, and you can't shove 20 cows in a tiny cage whereas chickens....

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I always think one of the ironies of vegetarianism/veganism is that if the world did reject the eating of meat and the use of animal produce and by-products, the first thing that would happen would be a mass cull of farmed animals because they would no longer have any purpose. A few very small herds, flocks, etc., would probably be kept as something of interest, to be seen in zoos and wildlife parks, but 99.99% of them would be wiped out.

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I'm not for the mass extermination of farm animals, I like sheep (cows are dangerous creatures though). If people would just stop eating meat every single day (bonus points if you eat it twice or more), then we would have far fewer farmyard animals on the planet.

But hey so long as I have bacon for breakfast, ham for lunch and beef for dinner!

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I always think one of the ironies of vegetarianism/veganism is that if the world did reject the eating of meat and the use of animal produce and by-products, the first thing that would happen would be a mass cull of farmed animals because they would no longer have any purpose. A few very small herds, flocks, etc., would probably be kept as something of interest, to be seen in zoos and wildlife parks, but 99.99% of them would be wiped out.

To be fair if I went vegan (i don't have control over what my parents buy foodwise and they're not very healthy so it's not feasible until I'm on my own) it wouldn't be because I care about the animals (that's the least compelling argument for it imo).  Not that mass culling is ideal, but it's not really an irony to me.  There really should be way fewer farm animals on the planet.  I care way more about the humans that are currently malnourished and suffering from water shortages than i do about the livestock that need many hundreds or thousands if pounds of water and food just to be sold as food itself.

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You can be a vegan and be a fat arse, after all Oreos are vegan 😉

My pet peeve seeing pears imported from South Africa in supermarkets, something has gone wrong when my fruit is better travelled than me. I know capitalism is glorious but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing quotas/high import taxes on out of season fruit that you're importing from other continents, with the hope that people will cop on and not buy produce that is contributing highly to climate change. Nobody needs pears that badly that you can't wait until autumn when you can buy them from down the road.

I think we must have something like that here. In the off season for cherries, we import them from the US, but the prices go up quite considerably. It's good because fewer and fewer people are buying the fruits that have to travel half way around the world.

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My comment, @AppleScruffJunior, @Kaniffee, was more about the more militant of those who believe meat eating etc. is a crime. The argument on reducing meat/dairy consumption is a valid one that I agree with, but I'm also someone who argues for nose-to-tail consumption. People have got too squeamish about what parts of the animal they'll eat that would once have been an important part of the diet, and many which were considered treats.

I love a good stuffed heart though know most here would turn their nose up at the thought. I miss brawn (the meat boiled off a pig's head and set in gelatine) but it's almost impossible to find now because people started getting fussy about eating lips and ears and more. It's one of those reasons I don't object to rose veal (which come from male calves that were once immediately killed because they couldn't produce milk), and it's ethically sound compared to how veal was reared previously. But we rightly got so offended by the veal cages of the past, that rose veal (no cages) still struggles to be acceptable.

Similar to the veal situation, we created a goat industry because people got a fad for goat's cheese, but didn't think about what was happening to the male goats. Luckily, I've got a Jamaican specialist shop around the corner, and they get my goat in for me, though I have to order it a 2 or 3 days ahead.

That's the problem I have with many meat eaters, they've got too fussy and so much goes to waste when there's no need.

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I love weird meat bits (especially liver) and I'll eat just about anything once, but because most people turn their noses up to it, it's very difficult to find those sorts of things.

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Automatic updates that eat your data and leave you struggling with posting on your phone. Which you hate.

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Especially when you ain't got enough for the download, and you've said no to automatic downloads time & time again.

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Hope you can get out to get a data top-up tomorrow (well, later today your time).

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Automatic updates that eat your data and leave you struggling with posting on your phone. Which you hate.

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Especially when you ain't got enough for the download, and you've said no to automatic downloads time & time again.

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More broadly speaking, when tech decides it knows what you need better than you know what you need, in general. a-hard-days-night-paul-3 USER OVERRIDE!

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I'm at the hard end of my pay cycle. £15 till Friday. Not sure I'm spending that on 3GBs of data. Was intended for other things.

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