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fabfouremily
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11 February 2014 - 10.13pm

I think a lot of the reason he's hailed as a sort of ''hero'' or ''god'' by some is more to do with his image and the kind of mystery or ''aura'' around him, rather than his playing ability (though I'm not knocking it), to be honest. As they cultivated their image, that was quite different to anything we'd seen before - they were original - people stopped and took notice, thus inspiring people, posterior artists, to copy them.

As for the musicianship, I still say that Page was a very good guitarist. Innovative, and technically good, I don't know why you don't regard him in the same way you've said you do Hendrix. But that's your opinion, and I respect it.

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11 February 2014 - 11.00pm

Billy Rhythm said Sure it took some skill to wank on that level, but they only appeared to me to do one thing very well and lacked any versatility, the sound never grew or evolved into anything other than the raucous noise that's audible on virtually everything they do

OK, now this is absolutely untrue. The Led Zeppelin catalog rivals The Beatles' as far as eclecticism goes! And the subtleties and different shadings are there to be heard if you listen closely.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!"
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fabfouremily
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12 February 2014 - 1.57pm

Glad someone agrees with me!

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Linde
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12 February 2014 - 11.27pm

I sort of agree on Led Zeppelin. Their music was good for certain occasions though *wink wink*

Page is a wanker. Literally. He kidnapped a 12 year old or something didn't he?

 

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12 February 2014 - 11.38pm

I honestly think that KISS and AC/DC are so overrated.

All you need is love... And The Beatles.

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fabfouremily
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13 February 2014 - 3.26pm

Linde said
I sort of agree on Led Zeppelin. Their music was good for certain occasions though *wink wink*

Page is a wanker. Literally. He kidnapped a 12 year old or something didn't he?

 

There is a story that he and Peter Grant ''kidnapped'' a 14 y/0 and kept her in their house. It is important to point out that she was extremely willing, though. I don't know what everyone else's views on over 18's with under 18's views are, but she was as happy as Page was about the situation.

I also don't see what this has to do with their supposed ''overrated-ness''. So they all had lots of sex, and? They were very sexy men who oozed (imo) talent and confidence. There was an aura about them. People threw themselves at them (understandbly), and they would've been ''strange'' (at 19, 20, 21...) to turn them down. So they didn't. As I said, though, this shouldn't really influence your opinion of them as a band.

 

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13 February 2014 - 6.04pm

It doesn't have anything to do with their music, but I didn't say that, did I?

I just found it funny how someone called them wankers and commented on it.

They have a few decent songs but also a lot of crap.

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fabfouremily
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13 February 2014 - 9.11pm

No, I just bought it up because the amount of sex they had had been mentioned.

Billy Rhythm, who I had a short discussion with about Led Zep on the previous page, had also mentioned that they were ''wankers'', and it seemed to cloud their judgement of them as a group. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, but that's the impression I got.

 

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13 February 2014 - 10.26pm

Can't say I'm a fan of Zeppelin.  I like the odd track but think they are way overhyped.

I don't think it's that relevant how good a guitar player Page is/was.  There have been plenty of supergroups and supersessions which have sounded amazing on paper but it doesn't  matter how proficient individual members are, if those individuals do not gel that well together, it is meaningless.  On paper Cream was a better group than the Beatles.  They were technically better musicians, but their records were not as good, which is what counts.

I'm a blues fan and I find Zeppelin's blues recordings embarrassing to be honest - they are so lacking in finesse.  The only reason I think of why anyone would be impressed by Zeppelin's version of "How Many More Years" is because they have never heard Howlin' Wolf's original.  To be fair, Howlin' Wolf was such an amazing performer that you are setting yourself up for failure by even attempting to do one of his songs. 

As for Bob Dylan, I am a big fan.  I don't think "Like A Rolling Stone" is one of his best songs.  I think "Hard Rain" is a better song, I think "Mr Tambourine Man" is a  better song.  I think "Chimes of Freedom" is a better song.  However, I do think "Like A Rolling Stone" is one of Dylan's best recordings as it is so well performed.  I don't think Dylan is overrated.  Who else has written as many good songs as he has?  We're all Beatles fans here, but, when you think about it, John and Paul and George could write the songs between eachother, whereas Bob had to write them all himself, so, for me, Dylan's string of classic albums in the 60s was, overall, a greater achievement than the classic albums the Beatles made.

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13 February 2014 - 10.40pm

I don't think it's that relevant how good a guitar player Page is/was.  There have been plenty of supergroups and supersessions which have sounded amazing on paper but it doesn't  matter how proficient individual members are, if those individuals do not gel that well together, it is meaningless. On paper Cream was a better group than the Beatles.  They were technically better musicians, but their records were not as good, which is what counts.

So do you think Led Zeppelin didn't work very well together? Is that what you're saying?

I do agree with you on the Cream/Beatles point you make. The chemistry within a band and the way they're able to work together is quite critical. I don't get the feeling that Zep didn't ''gel'' personally, in fact I think quite the opposite.

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13 February 2014 - 11.03pm

Sorry Emily I realise you like Zeppelin, but they've never done much for me I'm afraid.

I think Jimmy Page is a very accomplished musician.  He was a session player for years so he would have to be.  John Paul Jones definitely had some pedigree as he used to orchestrate arrangements I believe.  I understand zilch about drumming but all drummers speak highly of Bonham.  In spite of all this, I do not find their records magical.

Plant's singing irritates the hell out of me to be honest with you.

I do like "Rain Song" though.

From that era, I much prefer The Band.

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fabfouremily
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13 February 2014 - 11.12pm

No need to apologise. You just have a different opinion to me, that's all.

I love Zep and probably always will. They bring me joy, and that's all I need to ''worry about''.

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13 February 2014 - 11.21pm

Very true.  As long as it gives you and other Zeppelin fans pleasure thats what counts.

Just don't move in next door so I don't have to hear "Physical Graffiti" at full volume all nightahdn_ringo_09

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fabfouremily
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13 February 2014 - 11.23pm

tulane said
Very true.  As long as it gives you and other Zeppelin fans pleasure thats what counts.

Just don't move in next door so I don't have to hear "Physical Graffiti" at full volume all nightahdn_ringo_09

:D Okay, deal.

 

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14 February 2014 - 12.43am

BeatleNerd said
I honestly think that KISS and AC/DC are so overrated.

YES.  Thank you.

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

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18 February 2014 - 5.11pm

The Grateful Dead, Bob Dylan, Velvet Underground, U2

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18 February 2014 - 5.15pm

OneCoolCat said
The Grateful Dead, Bob Dylan, Velvet Underground, U2

So right. I like U2 well enough though

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18 February 2014 - 6.29pm

Saying Bob Dylan is overrated is like saying Shakespeare's overrated. But I suppose statements like that are what make people say he's overrated.

All in all, I think the only things that are overrated are terms like "overrated" and "underrated". I think that entertainment is largely subjective and terms like these make a presumption of objectivity.

Personally, I don't like what FM Classic Rock music has done to the perception of rock music in the popular culture. In emphasizing albums over 45s (which had previously been the standards) and focusing on baby boomer sweet spot of 1967-1972, they effectively delegitimized singles-artists and rock and roll (and r&b) music as a whole that came out before 1967 (with a few notable exceptions). Had the Beatles ceased to be major commercial artists after Revolver or even after, say, the Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane single, they would not be considered the serious, great artists that they are considered to be today. And as a result, an opinion has been formed amongst the public which I disagree with that guitar-centric, solo-centric, power-chord-centric music, is considered to be "real rock" whilst the three-minute pop song is considered to be trivial and shlocky. 

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18 February 2014 - 6.43pm

All right, Bob Dylan is a mediocre musician. Is that better than overrated?blue-meanieblue-meanie

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
All right, Bob Dylan is a mediocre musician. Is that better than overrated?blue-meanieblue-meanie

I suppose, but quite difficult to prove nonetheless, in my view. What makes him mediocre?

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