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Most overrated Band ever?
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Clerefor Sede said

Dingle Lad said [Pink Floyd] are as boring as watching wallpaper.

Okay, let's everybody just calm the fuck down.

Actually the statement was about Radiohead. I'm not even sure how that was missed. I have Pink Floyd's studio catalogue up to and including Division Bell, most of their live stuff, a couple of best ofs and the Shine On box. I feel the same about them as I do AC/DC. About a third of their catalog is Top Shelf.

And U2 can be thought in the same way. I have their studio catalog up to the point when they and iTunes tried to take over my computer.

Now I have said in this forum that The Wall and Joshua Tree are two of the most overrated albums of all time. IMHO they are. That has nothing to do with their catalog at large.

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Radiohead, without debate.

Are Radiohead a fantastic band worthy of a huge amount of praise? Yes. Are they deserving of quite the degree of adulation their fanbase awards them? No.

I don't agree with you unless combining the worst points of U2 and Pink Floyd is "worthy of a huge amount of praise". They're as boring as watching wallpaper. Then you go on to prove my point almost backhandedly, so thanks.

Whether they're boring is your opinion, but if you'd listened to their music past OK Computer you'd know they've done a significant amount beyond their influences. Kid A in particular has a lot of different styles on it that don't really sound like anything either of those two bands have done.

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Jk, everyone's entitled to their opinions of course.....even if they're wrong, it's America-- you have the freedom to be wrong a-hard-days-night-george-10

Uhhhhh, is it America? We're on a British-made forum dedicated to a British band, discussing other British bands with people from Britain, Canada and Argentina paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

Wouldn't be unlike America to claim it as their own when they have nothing to do with it.

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Dammit, Rita, think before you post and get rid of that America-centric POV!a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

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I hope i don't get hate for this but i think that AC/DC is overrated. Let's be honest here, all of their songs sound the same.

No, it's variations on a theme.

Of course that never worked for John Lee Hooker or Johnny Cash. At their best AC/DC can't be touched for what they do. The problem is that's maybe a third of their catalog. This can be said about anyone.

I have Pink Floyd's studio catalogue up to and including Division Bell, most of their live stuff, a couple of best ofs and the Shine On box. I feel the same about them as I do AC/DC. About a third of their catalog is Top Shelf.

Across any rock discography, no band has frustrated me more with unoriginality than AC/DC. Thunderstruck is the only song that I can deconstruct as an actual masterpiece. Other than that, any album by AC/DC is a walk through endless powerchunk four-part chords. Back in Black is a great track sure, and You Shook Me All Night Long is a lot of fun. But any album between High Voltage and Highway to Hell (which is supposed to be the height of their discography), by itself, is a big let down.

To put it in context, those were the songs I WORKED OUT TO, and I STILL got bored. Whenever a new track started is always the same, that same goddamn riff with a tiny variation, which makes me mad, because it's like they're trying to fool me into thinking it's a different chord progression. The lyrics were the thing that changed the most, but I'm a very "sound" guy. I can't say they "don't rock", because they know how to put up a show, and I think that's were all of their fame came from. In that case it is well deserved, they're not overrated when it comes to the way they perform. But albums like Highway to Hell of Back in Black coming up in the best albums of all time is crazy. In that case they are overrated. They are nothing to Pink Floyd.

Pink Floyd's discography slaps the hell out of AC/DC. Even if you think The Wall isn't a big deal (which wouldn't be the first time I hear that), or Dark Side of the Moon is overrated, or anything after The Wall is very flawed... None of those things will stop you from admitting they were versatile as  fuck. AC/DC weren't, and their style grows old pretty fast when you binged their music.

And I never went mad over Johnny Cash, he tends to bore me as well, but at least his albums aren't praised as "masterpieces of its decade". At Folsom Prison is fantastic but for other factors besides the music. As for John Lee Hooker, I never listened too much of him.

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To put into context, nobody has the same opinion as you. I really don't care about yours, no do I expect you to care about mine. Let it rest.

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I mentally separate AC/DC's original pre-80s albums (with original singer Bon Scott) from the later stuff that gets most of the airplay. Dude was one of the great rocknroll frontman, had a very uniquely odd voice, great sense of dynamics, sly menace, and controlled bursts of hysteria. Their later singer, who presided over their years of greatest fame, was far less compelling.

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I think AC/DC are very good at what they do (I think few other bands can touch them in terms of straight ahead no-frills rock and roll), it's just that they do it on pretty much every single song and every single album. If all you exist to do is spin minor variations on a basic formula, what exactly is the point of recording 16 full length albums of that?

Also, I find it all the constant references to 'rock' and 'rocking' pretty cringeworthy, it might have been cool at the time but now it just comes across like your drunk uncle complaining that there isn't enough Def Leppard in the wedding playlist.

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Agreed, 16 is maybe twice too many...especially since you only "need" one or two of the Brian Johnson albums. (But even most of those dispensible 1980s-90s albums have at least two or three great GREAT guitar licks worth building a funk-tioning song around. (How to write an AC/DC chorus: Think of a title. Repeat title four times. Done!) There's something so SOLID and functional about their rocksong construction at it's basic level, with the Young brothers playing the same chords using different fingerings. Each chord is as plain as a brick, and all those bricks make the house stand. It just...works. At it's best.

The idea of rock and roll songs celebrating rock music was invented by Chuck Berry in "Roll Over Beethoven " and "Rock And Roll Music " and the idea kept redundantly popping up in the 70s and beyond, in the Zep and Stones songbooks and elsewhere, well into the 80s, when probably every crappy lowest-common-denominator metal band had to have a song about rock and rockin and we're gonna rock you and AARGHH! I don't know if bands still do that, do they? Maybe if plain-old rock music keeps slipping in popularity, the practice will be revived as a kind of defiant rallying cry? I dunno, just babbling....

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You see @Dingle Lad , this a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 is how you nicely disagree with someone, take notes.

@vonbontee You reminded me of a teacher I used to have, Diego. He was a lousy teacher if I'm being honest, but he was a very smart and fun person, so whenever there was no class I would just talk with him. He also knew every album and every movie you mentioned to him, he was the most cultured man I ever knew when it came to basically all the stuff we discuss here. Diego had also the quality that he didn't dislike anything. I never knew why, I suspected he didn't want to offend anybody, but there's also the possibility he was just a very comprehensive person, he appreciated anything. He could watch Andrei Tarkovsky's filmography without blinking and yet he defended Adam Sandler movies, he really liked everything. I guess he just could see and appreciate everything for its inherent value. He believed nothing was overrated, he really was an odd man, but a great one.

Once I was talking to him about AC/DC, the class was mostly empty due to most of the students just not coming that day. It was me and a couple of friends. I told him I couldn't believe how repetitive AC/DC's discography was, and how big of a let down it was because I had enjoyed particular songs of them in the past. He told me "You don't understand, you need the proper energy to enjoy them" and I told him "No, it doesn't work that way, as long as I pay attention, when I don't like something I just don't like it", and he told me I was wrong. So I asked him what energy was I supposed to have. He had his laptop with him, he put on his playlist and put on AC/DC random. TNT came on. That was particularly one of the songs I thought overrated and I didn't think of as original. And as the guitar starts pounding the dude started jumping and banging his head, singing along with his hand up high with the sign of the horns. At first I thought he was being silly, but after a minute or so he would not stop and I just started to enjoy it. Me and my friends would burst with laughter every time he shouted TNT. So I get it. It's not like I enjoy them now but I get it, some people just don't need a progression, they just need one chord and they are set. And AC/DC gave them that without procrastination more than any other band. So I guess I can value it for that.

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I'm a huge 50s Rockabilly/Rock N Roll fan, but I can't help think that Chuck Berry is slightly overrated. I love his songs and his licks. Hell, I own a few of his records. But as far as 50s Artists go, I'm just way more into Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and Little Richard

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I find Buddy to be the most enjoyable of all the 50's R&R stars. The others I like some songs but not to the scale of Holl's catalogue.

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I find Buddy to be the most enjoyable of all the 50's R&R stars. The others I like some songs but not to the scale of Holl's catalogue.

I agree. Buddy is one of my favorite artists of all-time. Everything he did I find to be very enjoyable. Especially the later era stuff when he started adding orchestration like It Doesn't Matter Anymore, True Love Ways, and Raining In My Heart

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I find Buddy to be the most enjoyable of all the 50's R&R stars. The others I like some songs but not to the scale of Holl's catalogue.

I was actually quite impressed by Buddy Holly. At first glance, his music seems kind of monotonous. But going into the Chirping Crickets and his self-titled album, I discovered he was actually pretty versatile melodically, and he had great ideas he executed smoothly. It isn't hard to see how the Beatles were inspired by his originality. Chuck Berry's albums, even though I love him, don't have that quality. So I kinda agree with you @PurplishRain , as long as you understand that Berry's fame is still justified because of his massive influence and energy as a performer. But yeah, I totally pick Holly over him.

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I'm a huge 50s Rockabilly/Rock N Roll fan, but I can't help think that Chuck Berry is slightly overrated. I love his songs and his licks. Hell, I own a few of his records. But as far as 50s Artists go, I'm just way more into Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and Little Richard

Yeah, there's probably much more variety in Buddy's few years of recording (most of which I've never heard, despite that huge playlist conveniently floating around). Chuck's rep is built on his own Great American Rock Songbook, a few dozen little rocking literary gems built upon a simple, perfect adaptable guitar style, and three or four basic 12-bar riffs. Kinda samey, musically, but he did stretch out and jam a bit in the Psychedelic Psixties (maaan)...

...And his "Two Great Guitars" collaboration with my other '50s fave Bo Diddley is similarly stretched out (and has a track called "Liverpool Beat" because it was 1964 and Chuck knew who to credit for his career revival...apple01 (Anyways, this thread revival is pretty good! I don't know a lot of Little Richard or Richie Valens either, aside from the hits, so I'm happy for your 50s expertise, Purplishness john-lennon-salute_gif

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@vonbontee That video you posted is a fantastic jam and I've just heard it for the first time! I can't believe I just found this, what a great recording. Also, you're missing out on Little Richard, his voice is the purest thing.

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Well, I love me his wild rockin hits, of course I do!. The "Send Me Some Lovin'"-style ballads are less to my tastes, but I'm sure his catalog is full of surprising goodies. AARGH SO MANY MUSICIANS SO MUCH MUSIC

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Ritchie Valens unfortunately only has 23 main songs out due to his unfortunate demise, but those tracks really rock the house off. Especially stuff like Ooh My Head, Come On' Lets Go, and Framed.

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My two nominees would have to be Queen (sorry, DO!) and the later incarnation of Fleetwood Mac. Don't get me wrong, I can see great compositional and instrumental talent in both groups and I'll admit they have some decent earworms, but my personal issue is just the overplaying of their songs when passing the radio and out and about.

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The Monkees.

Talk about pre-fab. a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

Okay, so they wrote a couple of their own songs, but the Hits were written for them, and all they had to do was act....

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The Monkees.

Talk about pre-fab. a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

Okay, so they wrote a couple of their own songs, but the Hits were written for them, and all they had to do was act....

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vonbontee said

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I'm a huge 50s Rockabilly/Rock N Roll fan, but I can't help think that Chuck Berry is slightly overrated. I love his songs and his licks. Hell, I own a few of his records. But as far as 50s Artists go, I'm just way more into Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and Little Richard

Yeah, there's probably much more variety in Buddy's few years of recording (most of which I've never heard, despite that huge playlist conveniently floating around). Chuck's rep is built on his own Great American Rock Songbook, a few dozen little rocking literary gems built upon a simple, perfect adaptable guitar style, and three or four basic 12-bar riffs. Kinda samey, musically, but he did stretch out and jam a bit in the Psychedelic Psixties (maaan)...

...And his "Two Great Guitars" collaboration with my other '50s fave Bo Diddley is similarly stretched out (and has a track called "Liverpool Beat" because it was 1964 and Chuck knew who to credit for his career revival...apple01 (Anyways, this thread revival is pretty good! I don't know a lot of Little Richard or Richie Valens either, aside from the hits, so I'm happy for your 50s expertise, Purplishness john-lennon-salute_gif

You couldn't put together a collection from Buddy's ouvre that's as jawdropping as Chuck's Great 28. The biggest point against that is that, minus the three years Chuck was in prison he had three extra years that the songs draw from. Buddy, along with Jimi Hendrix, is Rock's biggest loss of what would have been an illustrious career. I have no doubt Buddy's best work was in front of him.

Look at the Beatles non canon list though.  Who did the Beatles cover more? Same goes for the Stones.

My point is that Chuck Berry is not over rated. Tell that to any Beatle and he'd laugh in your face

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