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vonbontee said

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Sprngsteen and the E Street Band.  I mean, they're okay, but really, not worth the giddy praise they have often received.

And I believe that the decision for Time magazine to put his face on their cover in 1975 marks the beginning of the long slow trivialization of news media and its eventual symbiosis with Entertainment.

Black eyes Peas should not have as many pop hits as they do.

Have they been rated highly by anybody? Aside from their fans? I hope not. They're truly awful.

I can't stand Bruce Springsteen,he has the worst voice I have ever heard! He sounds like he's vomiting to a music backing and I never liked his music either it has no beautiful melodies and harmonies like The Beatles music,especially John and Paul had in spades.

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said

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 No, not the biggest folk fan. No, haven't heard much of his music. 

This is why overrated/underrated discussions are so frustrating. Imagine talking to someone who wrote off the Beatles as underrated because they heard "She Loves You ," "I Want To Hold Your Hand ," and "From Me To You " and said that all their songs sounded the same and that they simply wrote trivial pop songs for teenyboppers.

I see your point.

.From Me To You ,and especially She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand were praised by some music critics even from the beginning,like William Mann of The London Times in December 1963 pointed out their interesting unusual chords and arrangements and London Times music critic Richard Buckle also in late 1963 called John and Paul the greatest composers since Beethoven after they wrote the music for a play Mods and Rockers. 

Bob Dylan ,Roger McGuinn of The Byrds and music critic William Mann of The London Times as early as 1963 and 1964 pointed out that even in early Beatles songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand had unusual and interesting chords and they arranged them. Roger McGuinn has said that he started to play a 12 string guitar after he saw and heard George Harrison playing in in the A Hard Day's Night movie.
 
 And John and Paul wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits the rock n roll song, I Wanna Be Your Man in late 1963 right in front of them. And Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were impressed and said wow,how can you write a song just like that and it inspired them to start writing their own songs. 
John Lennon and Paul McCartney were such amazingly talented singer song writers that they were already writing hit songs for other artists as early as 1963 when their own song writing success was getting Off The Ground ,besides The Rolling Stones,they also wrote hit songs in 1963 for Billy J.Krammer and The Dakatos,Celia Black,and Peter and Gordon etc. 
Paul wrote his first song at age 14 and was playing guitar,John wrote heavy deep poetry but didn't start writing songs until he met Paul and was impressed that he wrote his own songs,and he too started to write his own songs at age 17,and they wrote together and never stopped from then on.Paul wrote the very pretty song I'll Follow The Sun at only 16.Even when The Beatles first came to America in February 1964 many people said how rare it was for *adult* rock n roll bands and solo artists to write their own songs,and Paul and John were already doing this as teenagers in the mid 1950's.
 
And even though I wasn't born yet in 1963  I  know what type of music was popular on the radio,non rock n roll songs like Bobby Vinton,The Four Seasons,Bobby Darin and The Beach Boys surfing hits,The early Beatles songs like She Loves You ,I Want To Hold Your Hand and I Saw Her Standing There etc were hard rock for 1963 and ahead of their time.

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I find some of Queen's material unlistenable junk. Tracks like The Hitman, Flash & I'm In Love With My Car are laughably dreadful.

 

Ironically, The Hitman I found it somewhat underrated, but I'll admit that Flash is intentionally laughable (the whole movie is campy but that makes it work). I haven't heard I'm In Love With My Car yet, but yeah, even Brian May thought that Roger Taylor was joking when he told him that he was writing a song called like that. ahdn_ringo_09

I find most of Queen's music unlistenable bombastic obnoxious junk! Like Bohemian Rhapsody and We Will Rock You.I only like two songs that are just good not great by them,Killer Queen and Your My Best Friend. Even though Brian May called The Beatles the greatest band ever as so many other well known successful band members and solo artists have even over their bands and solo selves.

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Personally i think Queen needed Freddie far more than Brian but the other 3 were very muc...

 

Actually forget that, Queen needed all 4. Freddie had such charisma, not only with the press but with the audience whereas John Deacon was an incredible bass player and provided such amazing ideas and contributions to their songs.  Very underrated. And look at them now, well Brian and Roger, crapping all over their name with all that rubbish Queen + nonsense with shitty guest vocalists. 

Call the act something else and leave the Queen brand alone. The fans will turn up with Brian and Roger there so why not.

I meant to thank only Billy Rhythm for what he said about Led Zeppelin.

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Billy Rhythm said Sure it took some skill to wank on that level, but they only appeared to me to do one thing very well and lacked any versatility, the sound never grew or evolved into anything other than the raucous noise that's audible on virtually everything they do

OK, now this is absolutely untrue. The Led Zeppelin catalog rivals The Beatles' as far as eclecticism goes! And the subtleties and different shadings are there to be heard if you listen closely.

No,what you said about Led Zeppelin is totally untrue and The Beatles especially John and Paul were a zillion times more talented as singers and song composers,and they had  so much beautiful melodies and harmonies in their music something Led Zeppelin never had.And Paul McCartney usually is voted a better bass player than John Paul Jones including at number 8 out of 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists  and John Paul Jones who is number 21  for like the last 10 years on the site Digital Dreamdoor http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pa.....uitar.html  where a lot of musicians are members and The Beatles are the number 1 greatest rock artists and John and Paul are greatest rock song writers. http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pa.....iters.html And out of 100 Greatest Rock Artists The Beatles are also correctly number one http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pa.....iters.html

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IveJustSeenAFaceo said
I was just coming over to mention The Rolling Stones. I can't listen to their music, except for Gimme Shelter, which is the only one I've heard that I liked. They don't sound good, and Jagger's voice is just awful.

I don't like The Rolling Stones that much,but I don't dislike them either and Mick Jagger's voice wasn't great but he didn't have a bad voice like Tom Petty,or worst Bruce Springsteen,and awful screaming,sreaching most of the time Robert Plant ( and at least he sang and sang good most of the time and didn't scream etc like dreadful Robert Plant),and his voice was even better than Bob Dylan's whose voice I can tolerate.

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Ooh man, the Eagles are terrible. It's a true wonderment that such a ball of sour cynicism and weak songwriting and misogyny and bad drumming and antirocking-in-general could've sold so many millions of records - including the biggest goddamn selling album ever! So they could harmonize a little, big deal. Aren't there a few dozen bands who could do it better? (Yes.)

The Eagles were not terrible at all,I think most of their hit songs are very good,but I really like Don Henley's solo songs from the 1980's better than a lot of The Eagles songs especially Dirty Laundry which I think is a great song.

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Since several members have included some solo artists I have to add this,

Paul McCartney is still in the Guinness Book of World Records since October 1979 as the most successful song composer of all time and David Bowie was not as great as early solo Paul and John. I personally only like 3 of his songs of the many ones I've heard,Changes,Heroes and Space Oddity.I really also think that Elton John's songs from 1971-1974 were much better.Not that it will matter that much to fans on here,but the Russian music reviewer George Starostin back in the late 90's early 2000's gave David Bowie a C rating, http://starling.rinet.ru/music/bowie.htm  he also said that David Bowie was talented but not a genius,but he says in his Elton John review that Elton was a genius in his early-mid 1970's career.

 
He also said that David Bowie had a poor voice,was a limited song writer,and that he's highly overrated as a innovator.
He also gave this C rating  to solo George Harrison and Elton John,but gave Paul McCartney ,Stevie Wonder and John Lennon a B rating.I've also never heard a David Bowie song nearly as good or great,and it is great as Elton's Funeral For A Friend Love Lies Bleeding.
 
 
  And although Keith Richards was totally wrong about Sgt Pepper ,and some other artists like Elton John( and often goes to extremes,he could and should have said that a lot of or most of David Bowie was posing and image and that it didn't have a lot to do with his music,not that it was all posing and had nothing to do with it but there is a lot of truth to what he said), he said before David Bowie died that David Bowie was all f*cking posing it has nothing to do with  music and he said he knows it too.
 
 
 
Now since he died,David Bowie is being even more overrated.
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And I never liked Pink Floyd either,everything I have heard from is tuneless with no beautiful melodies and harmonies like The Beatles had. The only song of Pink Floyd's that is good, but not great but has some tunefulness is Money.

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Randie said

IveJustSeenAFaceo said

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 No, not the biggest folk fan. No, haven't heard much of his music. 

This is why overrated/underrated discussions are so frustrating. Imagine talking to someone who wrote off the Beatles as underrated because they heard "She Loves You ," "I Want To Hold Your Hand ," and "From Me To You " and said that all their songs sounded the same and that they simply wrote trivial pop songs for teenyboppers.

I see your point.

.From Me To You ,and especially She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand were praised by some music critics even from the beginning,like William Mann of The London Times in December 1963 pointed out their interesting unusual chords and arrangements and London Times music critic Richard Buckle also in late 1963 called John and Paul the greatest composers since Beethoven after they wrote the music for a play Mods and Rockers. 

Bob Dylan ,Roger McGuinn of The Byrds and music critic William Mann of The London Times as early as 1963 and 1964 pointed out that even in early Beatles songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand had unusual and interesting chords and they arranged them. Roger McGuinn has said that he started to play a 12 string guitar after he saw and heard George Harrison playing in in the A Hard Day's Night movie.
 
 And John and Paul wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits the rock n roll song, I Wanna Be Your Man in late 1963 right in front of them. And Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were impressed and said wow,how can you write a song just like that and it inspired them to start writing their own songs. 
John Lennon and Paul McCartney were such amazingly talented singer song writers that they were already writing hit songs for other artists as early as 1963 when their own song writing success was getting Off The Ground ,besides The Rolling Stones,they also wrote hit songs in 1963 for Billy J.Krammer and The Dakatos,Celia Black,and Peter and Gordon etc. 
Paul wrote his first song at age 14 and was playing guitar,John wrote heavy deep poetry but didn't start writing songs until he met Paul and was impressed that he wrote his own songs,and he too started to write his own songs at age 17,and they wrote together and never stopped from then on.Paul wrote the very pretty song I'll Follow The Sun at only 16.Even when The Beatles first came to America in February 1964 many people said how rare it was for *adult* rock n roll bands and solo artists to write their own songs,and Paul and John were already doing this as teenagers in the mid 1950's.
 
And even though I wasn't born yet in 1963  I  know what type of music was popular on the radio,non rock n roll songs like Bobby Vinton,The Four Seasons,Bobby Darin and The Beach Boys surfing hits,The early Beatles songs like She Loves You ,I Want To Hold Your Hand and I Saw Her Standing There etc were hard rock for 1963 and ahead of their time.

 

Also, as I'm sure most of you already know,The Beatles revolutionized popular and rock music and were very innovative,prolific and creative,more than any other group. And their great timeless songs are the most covered in music history by everyone from jazz musicians,classical,Motown,rock,pop and even heavy metal recording and playing their great timeless music.

 
 
Many academic musicologists and music scholars have done serious studies,analyses and praise of their great timeless music,like university of Penn graduate musicologist Alan W.Pollack who did an extensive 11 year detailed analysis of every Beatles song.He says he hadn't even listened to The Beatles in 20 years until they came out on CD for the first time in 1987.He said The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn was one of the things that motivated him to do his Beatles study.He demonstrates that even though a lot of their lyrics were simple in most of their really early songs,most of their music wasn't and that a lot of their early songs have as many as 9 chords and
interesting and unusual arrangements.Paul's great rocker,You Never Give Me You're Money on their excellent amazingly modern sounding rock album,Abbey Road has 21 chords.Here is the link to his extensive analysis http://www.recmusicbeatles.com.....p/awp.html
 
 
 
And university of Michigan music professor and musician Walter Everett who wrote the 2 volume,The Beatles As Musicians:The Quarry Men Through Rubber Soul and The Beatles As Musicians:Revolver Through Anthology.And British musicologist and classical composer and music professor (who is dead now)Willifred Mellers 1973 book,Twilight Of The Gods:The Music Of The Beatles,and he also wrote about Beethoven,Mozart and Bob Dylan.
 
And award winning music professor Dr.Glen Gass who has been teaching a course on what brilliant composers The Beatles were and a rock music course at Indiana University School Of Music since 1982.http://courses.music.indiana.e.....atles.html    
 
Dr.Gary Kendall's Beatles course is the most requested at North Western university ,university of California also has one and Oxford university had a recent Beatles course.
 
How many serious music scholars and award winning music professors are teaching and writing serious academic works studying and praising what "brilliant" composers The Rolling Stones or any other rock bands were?
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What is your post supposed to mean?

It was in response to your criticism of Pink Floyd-- I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, and so is pepperland. Not everything is about melody and harmony, you know, and by the way, PF did plenty of both (I don't know which ones you've heard, but I can hear more melody in some Pink Floyd songs than some Beatles songs); the lyrics are just as or even more important, and some damn fine lyrics they are too. I can understand it if you don't personally care for their music-- it's an acquired taste-- but saying they're no good because they aren't as melodic as some bands is just flat-out wrong. EDIT: See post below 

And by the way, here is a PF song that arguably has a more melodic melody than 'Money'. Just the riff alone-- you can walk around humming that all day. 

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It was in response to your (unfounded) criticism of Pink Floyd

I wouldn't say it's unfounded since it did have a base and they explained why they didn't like Pink Floyd.

Not everything is about melody and harmony, you know,

Or anything really. Music can be whatever though some people prefer different things. For example, outside of Petula Clark big singles, I don't like her stuff that I checked out. This whole thing is opinion based.

but saying they're no good because they aren't as melodic as some bands is just flat-out wrong.

Good is subjective call based on ones own point of view. I don't think the song Good Morning Good Morning is any good but others may find it fantastic. Their dislike of Pink Floyd isn't wrong it's different.

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    It was in response to your (unfounded) criticism of Pink Floyd

I wouldn't say it's unfounded since it did have a base and they explained why they didn't like Pink Floyd.

 

    but saying they're no good because they aren't as melodic as some bands is just flat-out wrong.

Good is subjective call based on ones own point of view. I don't think the song Good Morning Good Morning is any good but others may find it fantastic. Their dislike of Pink Floyd isn't wrong it's different.

I don't care if they run screaming for cover anytime anyone mentions the colour pink because it makes them think of the band, but I wasn't criticising their dislike of Pink Floyd's music. I may have mis-read the post as well, because I felt like they were saying PF was no good because they didn't do great melodies, whereas it seems they were actually saying they didn't like PF because they didn't do great melodies. Which, as I have said, is not quite accurate-- they did do great melodies, in my opinion-- but perhaps they'd only ever heard the less melodic songs. If you've only ever heard 'Welcome To The Machine' you'd think PF never did any very melodic melodies-- I can get that. 

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People not getting the genius of GMGM! I fecking ask you!

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I love 'GMGM'. 

In reading many of the posts in this thread, my entire music library is "overrated". Hilarious.

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Now since he died,David Bowie is being even more overrated.

Huh?!?! 

The man has had zillions of devoted fans throughout his entire career. Many expressions of appreciation, love, grief, etc... do NOT constitute being overrated. I would say he is rated just fine, thank you.

And for the rest of you, please look up the definition of overrated. I challenge you to find the words "I don't like" within that definition.

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