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Most overrated Band ever?
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I really like 'The Fly' and a few other tracks by U2 but i cant get into them as a band.

I cannot stand 80's rock band and Bon Jovi therefore come very high on my list of acts i despise. I cant think of anything i've heard of theirs I would be able to listen to without want to break the sound system.

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ahdn_paul_06 So that means you must of broken a few sound systems in order to make that claim. Poor sound systems, their only crime is to play music that meanmistermustard wasn't fond of.

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Just because you want to do something doesnt mean you actually carry it out.

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I'm really surprised as to why nobody has mentioned Linkin Park yet! And Coldplay irritates the crap out of me - the fact that they completely screwed up the opening chords of Here Comes The Sun is just pathetic!

Anyway, I also think Led Zep, Queen (although I really like Brian May), and Black Sabbath are really overrated. And the fact that their fans diss the Beatles by saying they're a good boys, or even a boy band, or manufactured is just ridiculous. And frankly, this bad boy thing is so unoriginal and overly done - thanks to Mick Jagger, it becomes a case of who is more darker than who. And as for The Beatles not being showmen or whatever, they don't even know how The Beatles were in Hamburg or in the Cavern. In spite of that, the head shaking was legendary given the times. 

And the whole comparison of Freddie Mercury to John Lennon ! Seriously, his voice is more comparable to Paul McCartney ! Anyways, I don't really look to the rock genre for good singers, I look for the uniqueness of the voice. And John's voice was one of it's kind! Period. I just like husky voices.

And as for Bob Dylan being overrated, I disagree. The enormous respect that Bob gets is for his lyrics, not his voice. Nobody says that he can sing.

 

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And as for Bob Dylan being overrated, I disagree. The enormous respect that Bob gets is for his lyrics, not his voice. Nobody says that he can sing.

Actually, nobody cares that he can't. Although lately I do hear rumours that he's getting the lyrics wrong to entire songs these days...

(Kidding, but I wouldn't go see him live, he has a reputation for inconsistent performances, and I don't know why he bothers.)

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I liked Bob's voice on Mr. Tambourine man.

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I like Bob's voice back in the day. Nowadays its like someone has attacked his vocal chords with a cheese grater.

Coldplay are just so dull. Everything i've ever heard of theirs has bored me to near death.

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P3pperish said
[...] And Coldplay irritates the crap out of me - the fact that they completely screwed up the opening chords of Here Comes The Sun is just pathetic!
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Seriously?! How could they?! That's the easiest bit of the song! 

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Crossposting from the Upcoming On A TV or Radio (Possibly) Near You thread:

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1963 was a monumental year in Britain. The Profumo Affair was uncovered. The Great Train Robbery took place. The Dartford Tunnel and the National Theatre opened. And a manufactured Northern pop band started doing rather well.

A new economic and social optimism coincided with the birth of Beatlemania in a country that had, according to Prime Minister Harold MacMillan, "never had it so good". However, it was an optimism that had been almost two decades in the making, following the horror of WW2, then the lean years of rationing, poverty and re-building. The Beatles' humour, drive and infectious music chimed perfectly with the country's new-found confidence.

Which raises the question 

How the f%*^ were the Beatles a manufactured band?

Its that kind of idiocy that pisses me off.

It seems that some thought it was a brainchild of Brian's or a group of his associates, Davy Jones from 2007:

Davy Jones says that the Beatles were just as manufactured as his own band, the Monkees. Jones told delmarvanow.com that, "I think the Monkees have been viewed as a band that was manufactured, but the first manufactured band was really the Beatles. They were put by (manager) Brian Epstein in the same boots and the same suits. I was on the The Ed Sullivan Show the same night that they (made their debut on live American TV) in 1964. I was one of the acts that night (with the cast of Oliver!) and I saw what was going on... That's what show business is like."

This is what I meant when I said the Beatles inspired the industry to manufacture boybands by being the successful template, appearing to be a brilliant invention. They themselves couldn't view the Beatles as being original, it's a bit of projection.

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They were a group manufactured by John, Paul, George, and Ringo. 

Of course, but that is a scary thought to more mediocre talent.

edit: also how did I miss this supremely idiotic blog?

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I was always really intrigued by Mr. Big's signature wherein he quoted somebody (anonymously) proclaiming The Beatles as both the greatest AND the most overrated band...

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My vote for most overrated band is Kiss.  All style no substance. 

If it wasn't for the makeup and onstage gimmicks, their music would be nothing special and ultimately forgettable.

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I think that Kiss have a good number of great riffs on their first few '70s albums! 

But there's no denying the fact that Gene Simmons is a terrible human being. 

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During my high school and college years, I guess my tastes ran towards Led Zeppelin, Moody Blues and many of the progressive rock bands of the era.  Their focus was on the music and not in how they looked. 

But at the risk of sounding like a hypocrite , I did like Alice Cooper who also was theatrical. 

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Bob Dylan was far ahead of his time.  I'd credit him as the progenitor of the socially conscious rap music in the 80's and 90's.

I'll cast my vote for Bruce Springsteen.  His singing voice sounds like an average karaoke voice mixed with a blender.

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Bruce Springsteen sits nicely alongside Pink Floyd in my Enjoyed The Listen But Have Zero Desire To Hear More Thanks folder.

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Well, I meant 'minority' as in on this site. There seems to be a lot of people that share your views here.

The record they broke is attendance at Shea Stadium. It is true that you need to bear in mind the population, but I was giving this as an example that they have a big fanbase, though I know that doesn't necessarily mean much (as you say, look at JB). I don't know if there was a big surge in pop. from 1965 to '75.

As for who they inspired or influenced, well Queen and Deep Purple are the two that come to mind straight away. They were the first band to do what eventually led to heavy metal/hard rock music. Whether you like it is irrelvant, because there are plenty that do.

Overrated is someone who is talentless and yet popular, or that's the definition that I have of the term. For starters, Page is a very good guitarist. I'm not sure how you can deny that, really. I also think the other 3 were talented. Together, I think they created a band that inspired the music of the rest of the decade and the 80s (though I don't have much interest in them tbh), but you obviously don't share that view.

We'll agree to disagree.

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Now I know I'm going to be killed for saying this, but I find Led Zeppelin to be quite overrated. Of course I love Stairway To Heaven but other than that I just can't get into their music.

Agreed

 

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MND, I agree about Zeppelin. I enjoy Stairway and Kashmir, but Robert Plant has to be one of rocks worst vocalists.
 

And this would be why I'd agree, his wailing makes Geddy Lee sound pretty good actually, except Geddy Lee isn't hailed as one of the greats as Robert Plant so often is.  John Bonham, on the other hand, is the innovative drummer that he's billed as (as is Neil Peart), and both belong in the same discussion as Ringo when it comes to unique individual drumming styles.  Led Zeppelin, "Most overrated Band ever" hands down...:-)

I feel I'm in the minority here because I think Plant is a very good vocalist (and I know it doesn't really mean anything but he was voted as no1 in RS mag). His wailing can get a bit much in some songs, but "one of Rock's worst vocalists" is harsh.

And they can't be overrated because of the massive fanbase they have (for example, they broke the Shea Stadium record held by the Beatles), and because they were a very critically succesful group. If you don't like them then that's one thing, but to say they're overrated is silly. Page is a brilliant guitarist and Bonham is one of the best drummers we've seen, plus they came up with some good lyrics. So how can they be "overrated"?

 

No, I think that I'd be more in the minority on this one while you'd have plenty of company.  As I said John Bonham was an innovation on the drums, but Plant & Page are wankers, in my opinion.  Sure it took some skill to wank on that level, but they only appeared to me to do one thing very well and lacked any versatility, the sound never grew or evolved into anything other than the raucous noise that's audible on virtually everything they do which I don't find all that pleasant to the human ear.  Sure, they had/have a "massive fanbase" but so does Justin Bieber.  I'm not sure what Shea Stadium record "they broke" but records set/broke shouldn't make/break one's rightful place amongst the Rock'n'Roll Gods, and always need to be put into proper context.  For example if it's an attendance record broken one needs to consider the total population of New York City in August 1965 against how many more people resided there in the 1970s, or whenever the record was broken, not to mention that the stadium could've undergone renovations during that decade which added a significant number of seats.  If it was a "fastest sellout" record, well, could you order your tickets on the telephone with a credit card back in 1965?  I look at the ones that Led Zeppelin spawned afterwards which were a whole generation of long haired wailers who sounded even worse than he did, I don't recall very many talented musicians that I respect cite Plant or Page as a major influence, yet the peer review journals make them out to be some hugely important piece of history comparable to The Beatles, so yeah, definitely overrated in my books...:-) 

Thank you so much Billy everything you said (and believe me I could add a whole lot more) about how awful Led Zeppelin sound!

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Billy Rhythm said

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Now I know I'm going to be killed for saying this, but I find Led Zeppelin to be quite overrated. Of course I love Stairway To Heaven but other than that I just can't get into their music.

Agreed

 

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MND, I agree about Zeppelin. I enjoy Stairway and Kashmir, but Robert Plant has to be one of rocks worst vocalists.
 

And this would be why I'd agree, his wailing makes Geddy Lee sound pretty good actually, except Geddy Lee isn't hailed as one of the greats as Robert Plant so often is.  John Bonham, on the other hand, is the innovative drummer that he's billed as (as is Neil Peart), and both belong in the same discussion as Ringo when it comes to unique individual drumming styles.  Led Zeppelin, "Most overrated Band ever" hands down...:-)

I feel I'm in the minority here because I think Plant is a very good vocalist (and I know it doesn't really mean anything but he was voted as no1 in RS mag). His wailing can get a bit much in some songs, but "one of Rock's worst vocalists" is harsh.

And they can't be overrated because of the massive fanbase they have (for example, they broke the Shea Stadium record held by the Beatles), and because they were a very critically succesful group. If you don't like them then that's one thing, but to say they're overrated is silly. Page is a brilliant guitarist and Bonham is one of the best drummers we've seen, plus they came up with some good lyrics. So how can they be "overrated"?

 

No, I think that I'd be more in the minority on this one while you'd have plenty of company.  As I said John Bonham was an innovation on the drums, but Plant & Page are wankers, in my opinion.  Sure it took some skill to wank on that level, but they only appeared to me to do one thing very well and lacked any versatility, the sound never grew or evolved into anything other than the raucous noise that's audible on virtually everything they do which I don't find all that pleasant to the human ear.  Sure, they had/have a "massive fanbase" but so does Justin Bieber.  I'm not sure what Shea Stadium record "they broke" but records set/broke shouldn't make/break one's rightful place amongst the Rock'n'Roll Gods, and always need to be put into proper context.  For example if it's an attendance record broken one needs to consider the total population of New York City in August 1965 against how many more people resided there in the 1970s, or whenever the record was broken, not to mention that the stadium could've undergone renovations during that decade which added a significant number of seats.  If it was a "fastest sellout" record, well, could you order your tickets on the telephone with a credit card back in 1965?  I look at the ones that Led Zeppelin spawned afterwards which were a whole generation of long haired wailers who sounded even worse than he did, I don't recall very many talented musicians that I respect cite Plant or Page as a major influence, yet the peer review journals make them out to be some hugely important piece of history comparable to The Beatles, so yeah, definitely overrated in my books...:-) 

 

 

The Boston Globe has an online article from March 2009,called I Confess I Don’t Like… written by all of their music critics and Luke O’Neil wrote that when people talk of classic bands they don’t like they’re really speaking in coded language.He said for example “I don’t like The Beatles.” is the same as saying,”I’m a liar” he said but when  I say I don’t like Led Zeppelin there’s no subtext.He then says a lot of it has to do with Robert Plant’s fiendish helium-powered caterwauling. He says he tends to prefer bands with vocalists not police sirens in tight pants.He also said the lyrics which run the gamut unimaginative doggerel to too-imaginative fantasy goofs don’t help.

He then says sure they inspired a lot of great bands,but should we not then hold them accountable for the thousands of downright awful imitators they’ve inspired? Remember that whole hair metal thing in the 80’s? He says who do you think put the bustle in those dudes hedgerow? And grunge? He says that was basically goateed Led Zeppelin on Smack.  http://www.boston.com/ae/music.....ould?pg=10

Rock music critic John Mendelson never liked Led Zeppelin either.

Van Halen in the late 70's early-mid 80's with David Lee Roth sounded a million times better! So do the Who,The Rolling Stones,The Eagles,etc and The Beatles are a zillion times better.

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I'll cast my vote for Bruce Springsteen.  His singing voice sounds like an average karaoke voice mixed with a blender.

I can't speak to this. I've never heard a blender sing.

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I sort of agree on Led Zeppelin. Their music was good for certain occasions though *wink wink*

Page is a wanker. Literally. He kidnapped a 12 year old or something didn't he?

 

There is a story that he and Peter Grant ''kidnapped'' a 14 y/0 and kept her in their house. It is important to point out that she was extremely willing, though. I don't know what everyone else's views on over 18's with under 18's views are, but she was as happy as Page was about the situation.

I also don't see what this has to do with their supposed ''overrated-ness''. So they all had lots of sex, and? They were very sexy men who oozed (imo) talent and confidence. There was an aura about them. People threw themselves at them (understandbly), and they would've been ''strange'' (at 19, 20, 21...) to turn them down. So they didn't. As I said, though, this shouldn't really influence your opinion of them as a band.

 

The Beatles had sex with *tons* of young women groupies,many who were just teen girls especially during their touring years of 1963-1966 ironically they did this the most during the joke fake cleaned up image Brian Epstein created for them in their early days.In reality they were like pimps playing the part of priests! It's no coincidence that in The Beatles Anthology video series that Paul,George and Ringo made,the story that is reported of The Beatles being thrown out of a US hotel in August 1965 because Paul was found in his hotel bedroom with an underage girl, that is included in the first great Beatles documentary from 1982 The Complete Beatles which none of them had any involvement making,is completely left out of The Beatles Anthology.

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