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Led Zeppelin
13 June 2017
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sir walter raleigh said

I think Led Zeppelin has a great ability to produce lighter soft songs. Of course their specialty is rocking out of control.   

That was their main course, yeah. But the fact that the same band could produce "When The Levee Breaks" and "The Battle of Evermore" and "Achilles Last Stand" and "Kashmir" and "The Crunge" is still awe-inspiring to me. Their love of pure sound - like the theremin/tape collage stuff in "Whole Lotta Love", or the backwards-echoed harmonica in "Levee" or the violin bow-Wah-Wah frenzy epics on Zep I - and Jimmy Page's experimentation with unusual micing techniques was practically Beatlesesque.

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@Dark Overlord said
Going To California is just too soft for me, I wouldn't mind it if it were from The Beatles or The Eagles but this is Led Zeppelin, I'd feel the same way if Metallica covered Yellow Submarine while trying to sound as close to the record as possible, I don't want to hear a song like this from a hard rock band.

I took a listen to The Rain Song and it isn't that bad but it's no Ramble On or Immigrant Song.  

That's a silly reason not to like a song. Of course 'The Rain Song' isn't 'Ramble On' or 'Immigrant Song' -- it's a completely different style. It doesn't matter who it is: if it's a good song, it's a good song, and both of those you mention are extremely good. Sure Led Zeppelin may be best remembered as a bawling hard rock band, but just keep in mind that their best-known and worst-worn-out song and what Jimmy Page said 'crystallized the essence of the band' -- 'Stairway To Heaven' -- begins as a ballad and evolves into a bawling rocker, encapsulating both, equally important to my mind, sides of Led Zeppelin.

Maybe it's just that I like ballads, no matter who does them. ahdn_george_06

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Silly Girl said
Sure Led Zeppelin may be best remembered as a bawling hard rock band, but just keep in mind that their best-known and worst-worn-out song and what Jimmy Page said 'crystallized the essence of the band' -- 'Stairway To Heaven' -- begins as a ballad and evolves into a bawling rocker, encapsulating both, equally important to my mind, sides of Led Zeppelin.

This is a very important point. Led Zeppelin were a band of many personalities which is why they're so fondly remembered and idolized today. Yes many people point to them as a Hard Rock band but in truth they were much more then that. Listen to the likes of Led Zeppelin III and you can see how varied their sound was. 

Also you can't compare Metallica and Led Zeppelin. Metallica are a purely metal band and Zeppelin were a rock band. Going to California works perfectly on Led Zeppelin IV, as do the other 'folky' tracks like the Battle of Evermore. It's a completely different type of song to Yellow Submarine I might add. 

The Rain Song is a completely different type of song to Ramble On and Immigrant Song and that's a good thing. In my mind it's a beautiful and sprawling masterpiece.

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But Stairway To Heaven is a darker ballad and it also gets heavy at the end of the song, Going To California is just a soft song from a hard rock band. I feel the same way about that song as i do with Planet Caravan by Black Sabbath, not bad songs but the genre of music doesn't fit the genre of the band.

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Dark Overlord said
I feel the same way about that song as i do with Planet Caravan by Black Sabbath, not bad songs but the genre of music doesn't fit the genre of the band.  

You love the Beatles because they can't be fit into a genre, then you dislike how Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin vary their genre with a slow song now and then.

What? ahdn_paul_01

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I guess you're right, it's just that Led Zeppelin isn't a band like The Beatles or Queen where it's hard to fit them into one genre.

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Dark Overlord said
I guess you're right, it's just that Led Zeppelin isn't a band like The Beatles or Queen where it's hard to fit them into one genre.  

I think it's harder then you might think, Led Zeppelin branched their sound in a lot of ways. I'll list just a few examples below:

Blues rock - Since I've Been Loving You

Reggae rock - D'yer Mak'er

Progressive rock (this can be debatable) - No Quarter, The Rain Song

Hard rock - Good Times Bad Times

Heavy metal (although i'm not fond of defining them as metal) - Immigrant Song, Dazed and Confused

Folk/folk rock - Bron-Yr-Aur, Ramble On, Over the Hills and Far Away

and more...

 

I should point out that comparing any band to The Beatles isn't really fair when discussing genre. A vast majority of bands fail to branch out of their genre but I wouldn't put Led Zeppelin into that category. They effectively expanded the rock genre single-handedly. 

I'm not going to start on Queen because I have certain views on thema-hard-days-night-ringo-11

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True that @Flyingbrians, but the point I was trying to make is that it shouldn't matter whether the genre of a song fits in with the genre of the artist who made it. If it's a good, likeable song, you should like it. Just my opinion...

As mentioned elsewhere I watched most of The Song Remains The Same last night. It was really rather overwhelming.

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Silly Girl said
True that @Flyingbrians, but the point I was trying to make is that it shouldn't matter whether the genre of a song fits in with the genre of the artist who made it. If it's a good, likeable song, you should like it. Just my opinion...

Naa that's true of course, genre shouldn't affect a persons listening experience. I remember being in my teens and refusing to listen or appreciate anything that wasn't rock musica-hard-days-night-john-7

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As mentioned elsewhere I watched most of The Song Remains The Same last night. It was really rather overwhelming.  

Ahh overwhelming in an emotional way? I've got it on dvd but haven't watched it in a fair while now. My personal favourite scene is the whole Dazed and Confused section, it's just a virtuoso display from all 4 of them and the dream sequence with Jimmy is pretty cool. 

Might have to give it a watch tonight now...a-hard-days-night-ringo-7

 

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Ahh overwhelming in an emotional way? I've got it on dvd but haven't watched it in a fair while now. My personal favourite scene is the whole Dazed and Confused section, it's just a virtuoso display from all 4 of them and the dream sequence with Jimmy is pretty cool.  

Yes. That was AMAZING. I also dig his Theremin-playing. I didn't know what it was when I saw it so it looked like absolute wizardry.
It kind of reminded me of Pink Floyd Live At Pompeii, but that's probably because that film (which I adore) is the only frame of reference I have for it. ahdn_george_06

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Zeppelin both seems and sounds like Pink Floyd a lot of the time, but Zeppelin was a little a head of them on some things. That sort of watery psychedelic tone of No Quarter seems like it inspired some of the sounds on Animals. 

The reason people struggle to define Zeppelin's genre is because of how Jimmy Page pushed their sound and songwriting. While they are a to their core a Rock & Roll band, they play all types of genres as listed by @Flyingbrians. That's why they are considered a holy calf of rock. 

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Really? I always thought of it as a sort of Zeppelinised 'Echoes'. But I guess you have a point.

After seeing a bit of Led Zeppelin live, my friend described Robert Plant as looking 'disconcertingly like a pre-Raphaelite maiden'. I just about died laughing. beatlemaniacs_02_gif

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Silly Girl said
They [Muse] were my third favourite band until I discovered Led Zeppelin* 

*WeepyC spewed Led Zeppelin everywhere so I decided to listen to their stuff and I ended up really loving thema-hard-days-night-george-10ahdn_paul_01  

Keep in mind that WeepyC spewed Zepp everywhere for a whole year before I felt inclined to check them out properly. I'm slow on the uptake when it comes to being brainwashed. a-hard-days-night-paul-8

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^^^ Sometimes it takes a little bit to soak in. a-hard-days-night-george-10

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What would be your top 5 for Led Zeppelin? The YouTube channel WatchMojo did one and it was awful, they put Whole Lotta Love in #1.

1. Stairway To Heaven - Not my favourite but objectively the best 

2. The Rain Song - absolutely stunning melody. 

3. Ten Years Gone - sounds stark, empty and dramatic, in a good way. 

4. Black Dog - I don't think any song sums up Rock N Roll quite as well as this.

5. Kashmir - The riff. Oh my, the riff. 

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These are my five favorites

1. Over The Hills And Far Away - Beautiful song, absolutely epic.

2. Heartbreaker

3. Good Times Bad Times

4. Whole Lotta Love

5. Down By The Seaside

Honorable Mentions: The rest of Houses Of The Holy excluding The Crunge.

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I love most of their songs but these are my top 10. I tried doing a top 5 but it was too difficult a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

1. Ten Years Gone 

2. When the Levee Breaks

3. The Rain Song

4. Stairway to Heaven

5. Ramble On

6. Dazed and Confused 

7. Kashmir

8. Immigrant Song

9. Since I've Been Loving You

10. No Quarter

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Hmm... ahdn_george_01

1. Stairway To Heaven -- it was my first Zepp song, and there's something to be said for the power of it, even after it's been overplayed to death (by me, mind you -- I've gone through weeklong periods where I'd play nothing else. My family members probably got quite tired of hearing me sing 'There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold'). And those recorders still do it for me.
2. The Rain Song -- it's just so pure, so eloquent, ugh ugh ugh. Gorgeous.
3. Thank You -- the sweetest thing ever.
4. D'yer Mak'er -- it's so silly and catchy and upbeat.
5. No Quarter -- cold and windy and desperate and mysterious and... I just love the mood it evokes.
6. Brackets, only five?! Honourable mentions to Kashmir, Friends, The Battle of Evermore, Tangerine, Bron Yr Aur, All My Love... ergh.

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Regular top 5 or 10 is too hard for me so howbout top ten Zep FUNK songs:

1. Good Times Bad Times (featuring Bonzo's left foot!)

2. Sugar Mama (not a great song and deservedly an outtake but great descending riff)

3. Royal Orleans (Barry White shout out!)

4. Trampled Under Foot (Bobby truly can't stop talking about love can he?)

5. The Crunge (obviously)

6. We're Gonna Groove (yes they were)

7. Hots On For Nowhere  (one of my favorite Plant jive lyrics)

8. The Wanton Song

9. Celebration Day (sounds like something Jimi would've done in 1970)

10. The Ocean (great syncopation and stun-riff plus a Plant shout-out to his 3-year old youngest fan, his daughter) 

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AARGH how could I forget "Out On the Tiles?!"

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