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Agreed, "Jugband Blues" is great! And I'll gladly challenge that title of the Greatest Jugband Blues Fan In the World, swr!a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

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Thanks for the PF final track ranking @Jules. It's funny, maybe because of the length I don't think of Echoes as the last song on Meddle. I guess   that being the case, it is the greatest final song on any album (with A Day In The Life as a contender for the title). The final song on an album has an interesting dynamic. It can be a throwaway or the summary/cornerstone of a musical theme (and a pointer to the next album). The subject makes me think of my moviegoing experiences. An ending that takes it home can leave a not so great movie in a positive light.

Almost always listen to every last echo...a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

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I don't know about that @sir walter raleigh, I prefer Syd's stuff on Piper a lot more, it's more sober. To me the Saucerful Syd song is incoherent with the rest of the album (that was aiming more twoards progressive rock already), and it's kind of sad knowing it was a left-over because Syd was drifting apart from the band. It being at the end of the album sounds like the rest of the band trying to fool themselves into thinking it was still Barrett's band. This Syd dependence is what made Ummagumma and More so underwhelming. Jugband Blues for me represents the start of a year-period were the band wasn't at its best. It was until Meddle that things would pick up again. But the rest of Saucerful is absolutely fantastic if you ask me. Particularly the tracks on side A.2

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I would change that chart and just add below every line "pussy" except for the end were it would say "cool people"stuart-sutcliffestuart-sutcliffe

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I see it differently. Rather than the beginning of a down period for the band, although the late sixties and early seventies are extremely exciting, Jugband Blues marks the end of Syd’s career as a popular musician. He withdrew into seclusion to continue to write and record. It is his last will and testimony of his time in the music industry, or as Roger calls it, “The Machine”. It is that much more powerful, and in my opinion his best tune. It is tragic because Syd likely had a whole album worth of tracks to put on Saucerful, but he witheld much of his output and the band began to move in a different direction as he became more difficult to work with. 

@lovelyritametermaid challenge accepted! you’ll find a whole back catalogue on different Beatles bible threads with my Jugband ravings. 

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The reason I did Zepp closing tracks, @sigh butterfly, is because they've always stuck out to me more than most bands' closers because I feel like, kinda like album titles, Led Zeppelin were never quite sure how to close an album and would tend to, as @vonbontee once pointed out (I think it was vb rather than VB), close with a perverted blues song. After I realized he was right about that, I've always had them floating in the back of my mind, and last night I was listening to "When The Levee Breaks" in honor of Bonzo's birthday and somewhere in the midst of my mind melting from the awesomeness, I realized how much better it was than the perverted blues song they'd closed their previous album with and, it being ohmygod o'clock, it all went downhill from there... ahdn_george_06

And that's why I wouldn't do any other bands necessarily unless inspired to by their particularly extraordinary closers. I don't think Pink Floyd registers in my brain that way because their closers were often bookends or otherwise just part and parcel of the album's story and therefore it's less about the last song than the overall flow of the record.

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@Jules's ranking has pissed me off enough that I might be forced to consider it... a-hard-days-night-john-6 I'll have to revisit the 80's albums, though - I've heard them, like, once. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 Thanks @Beatlebug, your reasoning makes sense (and Levee is intense).

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The reason I did Zepp closing tracks, @sigh butterfly, is because they've always stuck out to me more than most bands' closers because I feel like, kinda like album titles, Led Zeppelin were never quite sure how to close an album and would tend to, as @vonbontee once pointed out (I think it was vb rather than VB), close with a perverted blues song. After I realized he was right about that, I've always had them floating in the back of my mind, and last night I was listening to "When The Levee Breaks" in honor of Bonzo's birthday and somewhere in the midst of my mind melting from the awesomeness, I realized how much better it was than the perverted blues song they'd closed their previous album with and, it being ohmygod o'clock, it all went downhill from there... ahdn_george_06

 

To be clear, I think my phrasing was "blues perversion" rather than perverted blues - like, I was speaking of the band's performing peculiar experiments on blues classics. I didn't mean that the songs' lyrics were degrading or whatever! paul-mccartney 

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Beatlebug said
And that's why I wouldn't do any other bands necessarily unless inspired to by their particularly extraordinary closers. I don't think Pink Floyd registers in my brain that way because their closers were often bookends or otherwise just part and parcel of the album's story and therefore it's less about the last song than the overall flow of the record.

Precisely. What can you put above Echoes? Also do you count Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts VI-IX) as a whole or only take part IX? How about the Parts 1-3 in Ummagumma? is Part 3 the closer or the overall thing? Does Brain Damage go along Eclipse as "the closer". Should we divide Echoes into fragments too? Should we think of Sheep as the closer of Animals instead of Pigs on the Wing (Part 2)? and The Trial as the closer of The Wall along with Outside the wall? So you see it's all a bunch of parts and fussions of tracks. I went with the Wikipedia tracklists but it could be done any other way.

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To be clear, I think my phrasing was "blues perversion" rather than perverted blues - like, I was speaking of the band's performing peculiar experiments on blues classics. I didn't mean that the songs' lyrics were degrading or whatever! paul-mccartney   

Errr, yes, something like that. That's what I interpreted it as, and what I meant by it. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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And that's why I wouldn't do any other bands necessarily unless inspired to by their particularly extraordinary closers. I don't think Pink Floyd registers in my brain that way because their closers were often bookends or otherwise just part and parcel of the album's story and therefore it's less about the last song than the overall flow of the record.

Precisely. What can you put above Echoes? Also do you count Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts VI-IX) as a whole or only take part IX? How about the Parts 1-3 in Ummagumma? is Part 3 the closer or the overall thing? Does Brain Damage go along Eclipse as "the closer". Should we divide Echoes into fragments too? Should we think of Sheep as the closer of Animals instead of Pigs on the Wing (Part 2)? and The Trial as the closer of The Wall along with Outside the wall? So you see it's all a bunch of parts and fussions of tracks. I went with the Wikipedia tracklists but it could be done any other way.  

Exactly... uggggghhhhhh it makes me not wanna bother.

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Mothership is the best.

  

You mean Mothership Connection by Parliament. Mothership by Zeppelin is a greatest hits album

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Mothership is the best.

  

You mean Mothership Connection by Parliament. Mothership by Zeppelin is a greatest hits album

  

Holy crap, for a few seconds I thought Sunii had come back...

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Thanks all, I'm enjoying thinking about the final song phenomenon and applying it to other discographies (talkin' about you David).

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Sorry to be so off topic. Here is Tangerine has seen through the eyes of second graders.heart

 

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Oh my god I looooove iitttttt that was so cute and genuinely well-produced, too, especially for second-graders. I've always gotten strong imagery from that song, and they really did a good job of bringing it to life. Sharing everywhere, thanks a million @sigh butterfly apple01

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Goodness, did that tangerine kill himself? That's so sad. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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Lol great video! I lovw that song.

It was charming but kind of creepy as well. Is @WeepingAtlasCedars right? Did he die?

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Oh crap u right, F for tangy boi a-hard-days-night-paul-10

...kids these days I swear ahdn_paul_02

Errr let's lighten things up with 12 minutes of shameless exorbitant guitar wankery

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I took that part as a dramatization of the "thousand years between". Didn't Mr. Tangerine have a beard right before he died? Have to take another looksie...

These are the Bowie albums for which I'm attempting to make a determination of the final songs importance to the overall musical theme. I thought contrasting my reaction to the first song with the last song would be a good place to start. Not sure this effort will go too far in its value as some of the final tracks do not sound familiar (and there may be a reason for that).

Hunky Dory
F: Changes
L: The Bewlay Brothers

The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust
F: Five Years
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Aladdin Sane
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Young Americans
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Station to Station
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