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Is all modern music terrible?
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georgiewood said with a georgiegrin 

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I don’t need some spotty frustrated 35 year old chap who is typing from his little room in friggin’ Delaware to tell me that.”

I have to ask @Linde , as it amused me greatly, why Delaware?

I have absolutely no idea why, but this was the first American town that sprang to mind. Couldn’t pick a huge one like New York or LA, right?

I can see why you would think Delaware is a town–It’s population is less than 1 million, but here in the States, we consider Delaware to be more of a State than a town. a-hard-days-night-george-9

Hah! I only just realised that. I’m (technically) American, but I didn’t even really notice that till now. I suppose I’m not American enough. It’s probably due to my Anglophility. (Yah I invented a word. No I don’t care.) 

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Linde said

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I don’t need some spotty frustrated 35 year old chap who is typing from his little room in friggin’ Delaware to tell me that.”

I have to ask @Linde , as it amused me greatly, why Delaware?

I have absolutely no idea why, but this was the first American town that sprang to mind. Couldn’t pick a huge one like New York or LA, right?

Fair enough. As someone mentioned it’s a state which is why I asked.

Though of course your original post is still accurate as is :)

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BTW, it took me more than 50 years to appreciate the fine geopolitical distinction between The Netherlands and Holland.  And where do Dutch people live?  Not in Deutschland, that’s for sure.  And there is a town named Holland–it’s in Michigan. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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So we’re all even. Apples all round, 

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georgiewood said
BTW, it took me more than 50 years to appreciate the fine geopolitical distinction between The Netherlands and Holland.  And where do Dutch people live?  Not in Deutschland, that’s for sure.  And there is a town named Holland–it’s in Michigan. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

It didn’t take me long at all to make the geographical distinction between Versailles and Versailles (pronounced Ver-sales) Ohio…or Russia vs. Russia (pronounced Rooshie) Ohio. And I was just a kid lol.

Getting back on topic, I was watching Later with Jools Holland (he’s been interviewing musicians since the 60s and appears in a couple of Beatles documentaries, either as an interviewer or interviewee) and the Arctic Monkeys were on – they sounded pretty good, I’ll be checking out more of them on youtube. Paul’s been on 3 times in the last two years, the Beach Boys (including Brian), Steve Miller…but they also have new bands, and they’re often good.  I remember Snow Patrol but I was not particularly impressed.

It’s on a channel called Palladia.  If you don’t have it, call your tv provider and request that they get it! it’s all rock & roll  – new and old, big concerts like the ones at Glastonbury and the Isle of Wight, the guitar festival Eric was running for a few years, the Scorcese & other concert films…you get the idea). It’s free, not premium.

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I don’t need some spotty frustrated 35 year old chap who is typing from his little room in friggin’ Delaware to tell me that.”

I can see why you would think Delaware is a town–It’s population is less than 1 million, but here in the States, we consider Delaware to be more of a State than a town. a-hard-days-night-george-9

Hah! I only just realised that. I’m (technically) American, but I didn’t even really notice that till now. I suppose I’m not American enough. It’s probably due to my Anglophility. (Yah I invented a word. No I don’t care.) 

For you folk across the pond (on either side), Delaware has the distinction of being the “first state”, that is to say the first state to sign/ratify the Constitution.  It also has the distinction of being the home of all of my mother’s side of the family, the beach we went to every year, and the state i lived  in for 4 years ;) You can drive across it in about 20 minutes if there’s no traffic.

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So, we have had Yes, No and Maybe.

Anything left to discuss on this topic?

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trcanberra said

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I don’t need some spotty frustrated 35 year old chap who is typing from his little room in friggin’ Delaware to tell me that.”

I have to ask @Linde , as it amused me greatly, why Delaware?

I have absolutely no idea why, but this was the first American town that sprang to mind. Couldn’t pick a huge one like New York or LA, right?

Fair enough. As someone mentioned it’s a state which is why I asked.

Though of course your original post is still accurate as is :)

Oh well, town or state, potato, potatoe. Whatever.

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BTW, it took me more than 50 years to appreciate the fine geopolitical distinction between The Netherlands and Holland.  And where do Dutch people live?  Not in Deutschland, that’s for sure.  And there is a town named Holland–it’s in Michigan. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

The Netherlands is the country, Holland are two of the provinces (North-Holland and South-Holland) together. The Netherlands consists of 12 provinces. Dutch people live in The Netherlands. Deutschland is Germany, where Germans live.

The Netherlands are often wrongly referred to as Holland. This makes me feel less bad about mistaking Delaware for a city.

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Great that it’s all worked out. I have only one thing to add… 

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The Netherlands are often wrongly referred to as Holland.”

Just about always in these parts :(

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Going back to the ‘x year is the greatest ever’ discussion of earlier times Examiner has an article with the author Andrew Grant Jackson about his new book ”1965: The Most Revolutionary Year in Music’ in which he “thinks 1965 was the best year music ever had”.

Nineteen sixty-five is the moment in rock history when the Technicolor butterfly burst out of its black-and-white cocoon.” Jackson says this was thanks to the influence of social changes, the media, drugs, the Pill and long hair.

Musically, 1965 was the year in America when, besides the Beatles, the Dave Clark Five, the Supremes, the Righteous Brothers, Herman’s Hermits, the Hollies, the Rolling Stones and the Byrds, among others, made huge dents in the charts. For rock bands, it was the year when the Beatles played Shea Stadium and forged ahead creatively with the “Rubber Soul ” album, the Rolling Stones topped the charts for the first time with the sexually aggressive “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction,” and the Who were introduced to music fans with “My Generation.”

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Linde said

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BTW, it took me more than 50 years to appreciate the fine geopolitical distinction between The Netherlands and Holland.  And where do Dutch people live?  Not in Deutschland, that’s for sure.  And there is a town named Holland–it’s in Michigan. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

The Netherlands is the country, Holland are two of the provinces (North-Holland and South-Holland) together. The Netherlands consists of 12 provinces. Dutch people live in The Netherlands. Deutschland is Germany, where Germans live.

The Netherlands are often wrongly referred to as Holland. This makes me feel less bad about mistaking Delaware for a city.

So when John sang “trying to get to Holland or France”, should he have been singing “Netherlands” instead?

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Ahhh Girl said

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georgiewood said
BTW, it took me more than 50 years to appreciate the fine geopolitical distinction between The Netherlands and Holland.  And where do Dutch people live?  Not in Deutschland, that’s for sure.  And there is a town named Holland–it’s in Michigan. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

The Netherlands is the country, Holland are two of the provinces (North-Holland and South-Holland) together. The Netherlands consists of 12 provinces. Dutch people live in The Netherlands. Deutschland is Germany, where Germans live.

The Netherlands are often wrongly referred to as Holland. This makes me feel less bad about mistaking Delaware for a city.

So when John sang “trying to get to Holland or France”, should he have been singing “Netherlands” instead?

Yep! But unfortunately that doesn’t really flow well :P

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Linde said

 

The Netherlands are often wrongly referred to as Holland. This makes me feel less bad about mistaking Delaware for a city .

I hate to break it to you @Linde but they’re are several cities named delaware in the states a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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Ahhh Girl said

Linde said

georgiewood said
BTW, it took me more than 50 years to appreciate the fine geopolitical distinction between The Netherlands and Holland.  And where do Dutch people live?  Not in Deutschland, that’s for sure.  And there is a town named Holland–it’s in Michigan. a-hard-days-night-paul-7

The Netherlands is the country, Holland are two of the provinces (North-Holland and South-Holland) together. The Netherlands consists of 12 provinces. Dutch people live in The Netherlands. Deutschland is Germany, where Germans live.

The Netherlands are often wrongly referred to as Holland. This makes me feel less bad about mistaking Delaware for a city.

So when John sang “trying to get to Holland or France”, should he have been singing “Netherlands” instead?

Maybe he wanted to go to the province and not the country?   :)

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The Netherlands are often wrongly referred to as Holland. This makes me feel less bad about mistaking Delaware for a city .

I hate to break it to you @Linde but they’re are several cities named delaware in the states a-hard-days-night-paul-11

Break it to the others who said it wasn’t! :D I was pretty sure it was. 

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Not all modern music is bad. I tend to find most extremely talented artists are very underrated, and get overshadowed by all the artists on the radio. Personally, I don’t like the super popular modern artists, because their songs have really disgusting, bad messages. Plus, the radio tends to replay the same 5 songs all day long.

But, I do listen to some really good modern music artists, with Marina And The Diamonds being my favoritea-hard-days-night-paul-11heart

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I was in a pub last week for about 2 hours that had the music channel ‘Smash Hits’ on. It played around 8 or 9 different songs in that period. The songs themselves varied between the bearable with laughable lyrics to the bad to the truly abysmal. The below falls very easily into the latter category with the additional bonus that Mr Thicke comes across as a smug creepy arse. 

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I was in a pub last week for about 2 hours that had the music channel ‘Smash Hits’ on. It played around 8 or 9 different songs in that period. The songs themselves varied between the bearable with laughable lyrics to the bad to the truly abysmal. The below falls very easily into the latter category with the additional bonus that Mr Thicke comes across as a smug creepy arse. 

He doesn’t just come across as one in this video – he is one. I had the dishonor of being introduced to his music several years ago (I was curious because I used to watch his dad Alan in the sitcom Growing Pains). Everything I’ve seen of him reeks of um..smug, creepy arseholeness 😉

You have to look farther than the hot 100 to find good modern music. Today’s pop ranges from inane (Taylor Swift) to awful (Iggy Azalea, and there’s far worse than her). Some hip-hop is just musical porn. Not that I am hating on Taylor, she’s very talented and lots of people like her music, so it qualifies as music in my book. She is her own manager and choreographs her own (as much visual as musical performance) concerts.

Amy Winehouse was a truly gifted modern musician – unfortunately she went the way of so many other gifted artists. I know someone who saw a documentary about her and apparently everyone in her inner circle used her and encouraged her to add drug addiction to her alcoholism (not sure if her cause of death was purely heroin or the mix of both). It’s very likely that her real problem was bipolar disorder, and she was self-medicating. She also exhibited other typical mental illness symptoms like self-injury and ED (not erectile dysfunction ;).

I decided to take a little time tonight and sample popular modern rock. I have to admit I find it difficult to get “in the groove” of modern rock, but I liked what I heard of a few of the popular bands. The lyrics in particular seem meaningless compared to classic rock, blues, folk, 80s, 90s/alternative, classic & even modern pop country, but when I try to get into a milennial mindset I think I can get something out of it. Florence & The Machine is allright. The Yeah-Yeah-Yeahs were pleasant to listen to, and have a heavy pre-punk through later punk (Lou Reed – The Pretenders) influence. I checked out the “popular” rock bands like Linkin Park (many comments about how meaningful their lyrics are – i found NOT) and generally wasn’t impressed with their musical or writing talent. I wasn’t impressed with the bands I found googling “modern rock musicians”. I’m not sure how popular Laibach is, I believe they dwell mainly in the old Eastern bloc countries and those still Communist, but their version of Sympathy For the Devil is worth listening to…for the entirety of one chorus – and then never again. As broad as my definition of music is, I find it hard to call their sound “music.”

But there is some really cool, indie stuff out there. Pentatonix are pretty cool (definitely worth checking out). Pomplamoose are a very talented husband-and-wife team who play all the instruments between the two of them. A lot of rappish-soul is very well written and tells a good story. I don’t find the delivery aesthetically pleasing, but many do.

Then I found NPR’s list of the year’s 100 best songs (for those outside the states, it’s National Public Radio – funded by the government, donations from mostly liberal philanthropists and trust funds, and individual donations). I jumped to the “rock” section and was very impressed with the first three songs…I’m going to keep listening and you might find something you like too 🙂

Gosh I guess I’ve run on a bit, but this is what I love. Hope you got to the end and check out some of the stuff on that list @meanmistermustard and whoever 🙂

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