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Is all modern music terrible?
12 March 2015
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Too late now, but this thread really should’ve been a poll! 

GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions, Marvin Gaye. PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 YOU SILLY PERSON…it IS a poll! Just remembered when I went back to page 1 for the first time since the thread was new…

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!"
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I was wondering why you decided to switch accounts. :)

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I was wondering why you decided to switch accounts. :)

Just because he can! Since I’m “sneering” tonight, sneer! That could have been worse. Elsewhere I have sneer! sneer! Didn’t do that here, did I?

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Two accounts are useful when you have more than one opinion! 

The great new music is still out there. Personally, I’m finding it more elusive, but never say die, right?

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Von Bontee smirked 
Two accounts are useful when you have more than one opinion! 

a-hard-days-night-paul-11PBPLLTLTLTTT!!!!!!!! 

The great new music is still out there. Personally, I’m finding it more elusive, but never say die, right?

You should never say never. Right, @Starr Shine?? 
 

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 YOU SILLY PERSON…it IS a poll! Just remembered when I went back to page 1 for the first time since the thread was new…

Thanks – just voted :)

Now it’s closer to burning in the fires of George Orwells’s famous book “1066: And All This“.

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Silly Girl said

  

Denigrate… nice word…. thanks, @Wigwam. 

 

So you like Rap

Took me a while to get that…..Very clever……1 2 U.

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@meanmistermustard “Life in a Beautiful light” has a very similar sound to the previous two CDs. I love the song “The Game.”

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Atlas heard tell   

Silly Girl murmured through a curtain  

Denigrate… nice word…. thanks, @Wigwam. 

So you like Rap

Took me a while to get that…..Very clever……1 2 U.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I can’t stand the stuff, actually. I don’t mean to denigrate :) it, but I just don’t like it. I’ve heard Paul’s quite keen on it nowadays (George, as we have seen– not so much), but not me. I do, however, like three-or-more-syllable words. I collect them, actually. So nice word, but give me the Fabs any every day. Apple for misunderstanding: apple01

…and now, back on topic. a-hard-days-night-george-9

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Silly Girl said

Atlas heard tell   

Silly Girl murmured through a curtain  

Denigrate… nice word…. thanks, @Wigwam. 

So you like Rap

Took me a while to get that…..Very clever……1 2 U.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I can’t stand the stuff, actually. I don’t mean to denigrate :) it, but I just don’t like it. I’ve heard Paul’s quite keen on it nowadays (George, as we have seen– not so much), but not me. I do, however, like three-or-more-syllable words. I collect them, actually. So nice word, but give me the Fabs any every day. Apple for misunderstanding: apple01

…and now, back on topic. a-hard-days-night-george-9

I think I ‘over-thought’ that. Nevermind!

 

On topic….

…’Rap’…..Paul will say anything to be considered 21st century relevant. He wants to be loved by the Classicals….the Jazzicals….the Heavicals the Lighticals the Tecnicals ….the Hip-Hopicals and last, (and least in my opinion) the Rapicals. I can’t work out if it’s great or sad that a staggering talent like Paul even cares.

Oh I’m sure some of today’s music has merit but I’m certainly guilty of pococurantism with regards to the Rap I’ve  heard. My loss I suppose. Too old to be arsed!

For the record I don’t think anything will replace Blues based Rock for excitement. So considering what they have to follow I don’t blame today’s musicians for carving out a different ‘groove’ from their granddad’s. Reduce music to just a drum and bass and no comparisons can be made.

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Atlas said

…’Rap’…..Paul will say anything to be considered 21st century relevant. He wants to be loved by the Classicals….the Jazzicals….the Heavicals the Lighticals the Tecnicals ….the Hip-Hopicals and last, (and least in my opinion) the Rapicals. I can’t work out if it’s great or sad that a staggering talent like Paul even cares.

Or maybe Paul just likes to experiment.

I never understand why people want to attribute Paul’s creativity to the worst possible motivation. From what I can tell there’s no basis for this tendency.

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Exactly. Paul doesn’t strike me as a man who’s ever done anything in his creative life for any reason other than he loved it or liked it or found it interesting. And if he also wants people to love him or like him or respect for it at the same time, so what, really. Who doesn’t want to be loved?

Is there any actual rapping involved in Paul’s Kanye collab? I haven’t heard it, or read anything about it really.

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Exactly. Paul doesn’t strike me as a man who’s ever done anything in his creative life for any reason other than he loved it or liked it or found it interesting. And if he also wants people to love him or like him or respect for it at the same time, so what, really. Who doesn’t want to be loved?

Is there any actual rapping involved in Paul’s Kanye collab? I haven’t heard it, or read anything about it really.

I guess in Paul’s earlier years he was seen as needy. And I suppose that might be true to some extent. It might color why he’s still touring. But I seriously doubt it has that much to do with putting himself out there into uncharted territory. If he were doing it for attention, he’d pick safer routes, I think.

There’s rapping in All Day, and I’ve talked about what particularly bothers me about the song in the collabs thread. 

No rapping on Paul’s part, thankfully. ;-)

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JP McCartney is a national treasure.

 

If he’d hung his bass up after Eleanor Rigby he would still be.

 

I agree that he wants to experiment……he wants to compete against the best and beat them too……He wants respect for the stuff he’s done that John and others took credit for… And just as he wants ‘his’tory to be accurate he  wants to ‘be right’ on and relevant and respected for what he’s doing today……He likes to display his musical adaptability, (keep juggling those balls MPL)…..He wants to sustain the respect won by the Beatles and feels he’s responsible for their legacy and bearing their torch……….Number one of course is he loves writing songs……..He does all that with one eye on his obituary but he’s always been a giver of love and wanting to be loved in return is a massive motivation, ‘and what’s wrong with that,Id like to know’……..All of this is perfectly normal. 

I can see how what I’d written in the post above can be seen as harsh and critical….And it’s difficult for me to put into words.

But I’m actually very glad for whatever it is he draws upon to drive him on.

It’s just that I’ve watched and followed Paul for 50+ years and have rarely seen him drop the professional persona he assumes as the lovable mop-top.

‘I’d like to see Paul being himself……..He’s done enough not to consider anything other than his own critical faculties. 

Please please yourself Paul…….That’s if you ‘feel like letting go’

The only times I’ve felt emotionally connected to Paul, (other than in a personal nostalgic way) has been a live rendition of ‘Hear Today’.. His take on ‘All Things Must Pass ‘ and his interview on Desert Island Discs when he introduced ‘Beautiful Boy’……That really had me ‘filling up’

When he drops his guard he’s the complete musician.

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Pitchfork sucks btw.

Biased shit.

Hate it. They only gave Noely G’s new album a 5.9 for christ sake.

A bunch of wank music snobs who are afraid to like something so as not to appear uncool. Utter bores. 

Most reviewers gave it 6/10 (The Independent, The Guardian, Daily Telegraph, and Uncut – Consequence Of Sound gave it a 58/100). Pitchfork’s 59/100 is basically the same.

Whilst it was arguably better than most Oasis albums, the songwriting was a big step down from his last one but the songs didn’t sound any different.

I do think Pitchfork do some ridiculous reviews sometimes – they’re particularly bad at recognising artists from outside America who got big before Pitchfork “discovered” them, they have a big bias towards trap and drill, and they keep giving high scores to very esoteric experimental stuff, like Malian drummers playing Terry Riley – but they’re more or less as good as any other outlet. Certainly way better than Rolling Stone…

But most of the reviews were at least 7/10. Even saw a few 10/10, which is obviously too high. On a forum they’re keeping an average of all incoming reviews from everywhere, and I believe the average was a 7.6 or something. I don’t think the songwriting was a step down, but I do think there are a few cringeworthy moments, lyrically (but don’t all NG related albums have them?). Sonically it was way more interesting, more layered and well produced (he produced it himself). Glad he got rid of Dave Sardy. Also, there’s more variety in instruments and genres. I mean, The Right Stuff? Pitchfork gave Heathen Chemistry a 1 out of 10 btw. They are biased, just like a lot of other reviewers, just because of the band he was in. A few reviewers even admitted that, which is quite unprofessional in my eyes. Don’t go judging an album if you’ve already decided you hate the artist, because that’s not fair. You can’t completely avoid bias, but you’ve got to give an album a fair chance.

Anyway, what I’m trying to say is that there’s no one who could tell me what’s great music. I have ears. I find it interesting to read reviews, but once you’ve read one, you’ve pretty much read them all. Using the Noely G example again. 30 out of 40 reviews wrote that Riverman sounds like Wonderwall, while it does not. Don’t take reviewers words for gospel. They copy stuff from other reviews and just go along with whatever is being said. Especially sites like Pitchfork are way too concerned about being ”cool” and ”hip”. I can decide for myself what I think about something and what I like, and I don’t need some spotty frustrated 35 year old chap who is typing from his little room in friggin’ Delaware to tell me that.

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I don’t need some spotty frustrated 35 year old chap who is typing from his little room in friggin’ Delaware to tell me that.”

I have to ask @Linde , as it amused me greatly, why Delaware?

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I don’t need some spotty frustrated 35 year old chap who is typing from his little room in friggin’ Delaware to tell me that.”

I have to ask @Linde , as it amused me greatly, why Delaware?

I have absolutely no idea why, but this was the first American town that sprang to mind. Couldn’t pick a huge one like New York or LA, right?

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Linde said

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I don’t need some spotty frustrated 35 year old chap who is typing from his little room in friggin’ Delaware to tell me that.”

I have to ask @Linde , as it amused me greatly, why Delaware?

I have absolutely no idea why, but this was the first American town that sprang to mind. Couldn’t pick a huge one like New York or LA, right?

I can see why you would think Delaware is a town–It’s population is less than 1 million, but here in the States, we consider Delaware to be more of a State than a town. a-hard-days-night-george-9

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