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Is all modern music terrible?
6 March 2015
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I think one problem with modern music is that thing critics always say with new bands. You know, the ”This band is great, they are the new Coldplay” or whatever band thing. I don’t want a new Coldplay, I’ve got Coldplay for that. I want a band who have their own sound, I don’t want 10 bands on my iPod who all sound like a rip off of another band, totally bland music (I look at you, Imagine Dragons) . However, that doesn’t happen, because they need to adjust to the masses, because bands can’t really do as they please any longer, as it’s getting harder and harder to earn money with a career in music. This makes for a lot of boring meat and potatoes bands in the charts and thus, everywhere on the radio. A lot of songs in the top40 are pretty much the same, and some bands sound the same all the time (Hello there, The Script) For great music we have to look further than the top40 and the radio, and that’s difficult, because where would you have to look? Radio and TV are the kind of media where one picks up on new music, and if it doesn’t get played there, how do we find it? Internet of course, which both helped and ruined the music industry. But you would really have to know where to look. A lot of great music remains largely undiscovered and that’s a shame. 

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Sun King said

This reads like a list that Pitchfork would produce. Good music yes, but that’s it. Although I do love Bowie’s album, and like AM (although not even close to being their best album btw) and …like Clockwork. Nothing on this list apart from The Next Day is even close to being a true classic. 

A Pitchfork list would include loads of experimental stuff and trap mixtapes…

Bowie’s album is nowhere near as good as MVOTC or TWFM, which are “prime Bowie” quality. Have you actually heard them?

I think AM is way better than their other stuff, which is too riff heavy and lacking in subtly. That’s OK for a couple of songs, but a whole album of it is tiresome, particularly four albums!

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I still think 2013 was the best year for rock music ever, and 2014 was better than any year in the 60s.

Brooklyn alone is probably putting out as much great music as all the world in any given 60s year.

 

*yawn*

People have been saying “year XXXX was the best year for rock music ever” since the second year of rock music. 

My dad was/is convinced that 1958 was the best year for rock music ever.

*yawn*

There was a time when I was convinced it was 1976.

*yawn*

Since then, there have been several others years I felt were the best ever. 

*giant gaping yawn*

I’ve stopped trying to pick one.

As you get older, you will most likely feel a different year (earlier or later) is better. If right now you feel 2013 was the best ever, more power to you. I do not agree and will discuss new music below. Further, I think it’s a fools errand to even try to pick one. Unless, of course, you are a big fan of debating. In that case, ‘Carry On Wayward Son’ (Kansas, Leftoverture – released in 1976a-hard-days-night-george-10).

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I certainly think “matters of opinion” can be obvious.

What is obvious to me is, it’s all a matter of personal taste. Not opinion. I try so very hard to like today’s music, I really do. I love the Palladia Cable TV channel because they air shows and concerts from today’s artists as well as the ones I grew up with. I will catch a performance from a newer artist (many of them are ones you listed) and hear a song I like. Then, when I go to hear more of that artist, I am usually disappointed because I just don’t like it. So, if I were to say “I’m a music snob and today’s music obviously sucks”, I would not be a music snob…I’d be a flaming idiot. To me, some of it is great, some of it is not. 

One last parting thought. Every time I hear someone say “music snob”, my ears translate that into “my music is great, yours is not”.a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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Zig said

One last parting thought. Every time I hear someone say “music snob”, my ears translate that into “my music is great, yours is not”.a-hard-days-night-paul-11

That was pretty much what I was going for. I wasn’t boasting of my knowledge, I was saying “you’d think my unhealthy elitism would lead me away from a love of modern music, however…”

It was very much a self-deprecating comment.

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Zig said

One last parting thought. Every time I hear someone say “music snob”, my ears translate that into “my music is great, yours is not”.a-hard-days-night-paul-11

*Grand Canyon sized yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnn*paul-mccartney

See, I self-described as a snob up there, but I’m more like “my music is great, but much (most?) of it isn’t for everybody, or hardly anybody, besides me really. Same as yours. And hey, we both like Album XXXX by whoever!”

In other words, “self deprecation” is seconded here. snob=geek=enthusiast

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Pitchfork sucks btw.

Biased shit.

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Who or what is pitchfork?

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Who or what is pitchfork?

A website that reviews music. Been around for years, it’s got a doubtful reputation, too much “cool factor” reviewing.

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Linde said
Pitchfork sucks btw.

Biased shit.

Hate it. They only gave Noely G’s new album a 5.9 for christ sake.

A bunch of wank music snobs who are afraid to like something so as not to appear uncool. Utter bores. 

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Sun King said

Linde said
Pitchfork sucks btw.

Biased shit.

Hate it. They only gave Noely G’s new album a 5.9 for christ sake.

A bunch of wank music snobs who are afraid to like something so as not to appear uncool. Utter bores. 

Most reviewers gave it 6/10 (The Independent, The Guardian, Daily Telegraph, and Uncut – Consequence Of Sound gave it a 58/100). Pitchfork’s 59/100 is basically the same.

Whilst it was arguably better than most Oasis albums, the songwriting was a big step down from his last one but the songs didn’t sound any different.

I do think Pitchfork do some ridiculous reviews sometimes – they’re particularly bad at recognising artists from outside America who got big before Pitchfork “discovered” them, they have a big bias towards trap and drill, and they keep giving high scores to very esoteric experimental stuff, like Malian drummers playing Terry Riley – but they’re more or less as good as any other outlet. Certainly way better than Rolling Stone…

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The Walrus said

Sun King said

Linde said
Pitchfork sucks btw.

Biased shit.

Hate it. They only gave Noely G’s new album a 5.9 for christ sake.

A bunch of wank music snobs who are afraid to like something so as not to appear uncool. Utter bores. 

Most reviewers gave it 6/10 (The Independent, The Guardian, Daily Telegraph, and Uncut – Consequence Of Sound gave it a 58/100). Pitchfork’s 59/100 is basically the same.

Whilst it was arguably better than most Oasis albums, the songwriting was a big step down from his last one but the songs didn’t sound any different.

I do think Pitchfork do some ridiculous reviews sometimes – they’re particularly bad at recognising artists from outside America who got big before Pitchfork “discovered” them, they have a big bias towards trap and drill, and they keep giving high scores to very esoteric experimental stuff, like Malian drummers playing Terry Riley – but they’re more or less as good as any other outlet. Certainly way better than Rolling Stone…

 

Well I suppose that’s where our ears differ then. For me personally, the songwriting was far more interesting than his last one and sonically superior.

Its blindingly obvious that those who review his albums go in with preconceptions and the mindset that ‘aaargh, we must hate this album so as to not look uncool to fellow music snobs’. He is a very fine pop songwriter, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. 

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Does it matter what reviewers say? Either you like it or you dont and that shouldnt be affected by whether or not other people think be it friends, family, close companions, folk you only know thru a casual nod on the street as you go by hoping they dont stop and speak to you or folk with no brains paid to write whatever their editors think is going to appeal to their readers and leave them looking cool with the bands/artists.

Generally they are looking the other way when an artist is about to break thru anyway, praising some nonentity who no-one has ever heard of nor ever will.

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Sun King said

Its blindingly obvious that those who review his albums go in with preconceptions and the mindset that ‘aaargh, we must hate this album so as to not look uncool to fellow music snobs’. He is a very fine pop songwriter, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. 

He was a very fine pop songwriter twenty years ago. I think the last one was probably his All Things Must Pass – songs he’d been keeping back for a while and thus a better album than he could hope to produce in the normal time frame.

The same reviewers who knock Noel Gallagher are perfectly happy to praise uncool artists like Taylor Swift and Beyoncé, even Paul McCartney (New, quite rightly, recived better reviews than Chasing Yesterday ). If there’s any pre-conceptions about Noel, it’s because of the total averageness of Heathen Chemistry, Don’t Believe The Truth, and Dig Out Your Soul, not because he’s “uncool” or “pop”.

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“Best year in music?”

Haven’t heard it yet.

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The Walrus said

Sun King said

Its blindingly obvious that those who review his albums go in with preconceptions and the mindset that ‘aaargh, we must hate this album so as to not look uncool to fellow music snobs’. He is a very fine pop songwriter, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. 

He was a very fine pop songwriter twenty years ago. I think the last one was probably his All Things Must Pass – songs he’d been keeping back for a while and thus a better album than he could hope to produce in the normal time frame.

The same reviewers who knock Noel Gallagher are perfectly happy to praise uncool artists like Taylor Swift and Beyoncé, even Paul McCartney (New, quite rightly, recived better reviews than Chasing Yesterday ). If there’s any pre-conceptions about Noel, it’s because of the total averageness of Heathen Chemistry, Don’t Believe The Truth, and Dig Out Your Soul, not because he’s “uncool” or “pop”.

@thewalrus Well I love Paul, but personally I don’t believe that New is better than Chasing Yesterday Beyonce isn’t a songwriter, so I’m not sure why she has been brought up. Totally agree with your last point, they were three extremely average albums, with HC being absolutely appalling, but on DBTT and DOYS the good majority of his tunes were pretty great. 

Anyway, this is fairly pointless. I enjoy him and think he crafts very enjoyable tunes, and you don’t, so let’s leave it at that. 

Also, back to your original point about 2013 being the best music year ever. I don’t agree with that, but I did go back and look at my itunes and the releases from that year and you’re right that it was absolutely fantastic. I forgot how many good albums were released. Definitely the best in the past fifteen years. 

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Opinions can be obvious but it doesnt mean those opinions are correct.

“Everything we hear is opinion not fact, everything we see is a perspective not the truth”……..Marcus Aurelius

 

As for Rap? Let me re-phrase Bob Newhart……”I don’t like Rap music, but I don’t want to denigrate people that do. And for those people that do, denigrate means ‘put down”…

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Atlas noted aptly 

meanmistermustard said
Opinions can be obvious but it doesnt mean those opinions are correct.

“Everything we hear is opinion not fact, everything we see is a perspective not the truth”……..Marcus Aurelius

 

As for Rap? Let me re-phrase Bob Newhart……”I don’t like Rap music, but I don’t want to denigrate people that do. And for those people that do, denigrate means ‘put down”…

According to George Harrison , “Rap music is nothing but computerised crap.” But George is an old skiffle man. So let’s not trust his judgement there. a-hard-days-night-paul-11ahdn_george_07

Denigrate… nice word…. thanks, @Wigwam. 

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Doesn’t it really depend on what you’re looking for, and where you’re looking?

Great new stuff out there, just may be the charts aren’t the guide to the good stuff it used to be.

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I don’t tend to listen to the charts. My mum is more up to date with popular music than me! 

But there are a few modern artists I enjoy. Such as Muse, Robots in disguise Amy MacDonald, Christina Perri and George Ezra. 

I always have a fondness for the bands I listened to in my “emo years”. Mostly My Chemical Romance and Paramore. Anything that was on Kerrang! around 2004. 

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