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Is all modern music terrible?
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Clara's Broken A Glass Today said

Also, it's a sad fact that while society tends not to judge on looks these days some people do. When I meet the very, very, very rare sane One Direction/5 Seconds of Summer fan they will comment that they like the songs of the artists better than their looks, wheras a normal fan would always post on message boards something like 'OMG *insert name of singer here* WE NEED TO MAKE BABIES NOW'.

The same thing happened to the Beatles since the girls were screaming too loud to hear the music and just went there to look at the Beatles

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Of course I know sex sells. I just meant that that's the reason why some slutty person like Ariana Grande or Miley Cyrus is popular instead of..well, I don't know. A good example of this is the Arctic Monkeys too, first Alex Turner was just standing still and singing the songs. Now he's got that idiotic look and ''dances'' with his hips and does his hair on stage and stuff, and they're way more popular now. Okay, maybe not the best example. I'm sick anyway so just ignore everything I'm saying.

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Of course I know sex sells. I just meant that that's the reason why some slutty person like Ariana Grande or Miley Cyrus is popular instead of..well, I don't know. A good example of this is the Arctic Monkeys too, first Alex Turner was just standing still and singing the songs. Now he's got that idiotic look and ''dances'' with his hips and does his hair on stage and stuff, and they're way more popular now. Okay, maybe not the best example. I'm sick anyway so just ignore everything I'm saying.

Hope you are better soon.

I hate the forced sex and swearing.  I have a couple of recent Madonna concerts on DVD and they would be a lot better without the one or three masturbation and f-bomb moments - which add nothing to the entertainment value and don't shock so much as bore; as if she continues to do it just to try and 'compete' with her newer and even more crass rivals.

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@Mr. Kite, how could you post that song on a Beatles forum?! Shame! We will be the laughing stock of the Beatles fandom, the entire classic rock fandom even! Thunder shall rain from the sky! Mountains shall burst! Fires shall be lit! We'll be given tickets to the Magical Mystery Tour ! PATTIE BOYD SHALL NEVER LOVE YOU!

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Clara's Broken A Glass Today said

...wheras a normal fan would always post on message boards something like 'OMG *insert name of singer here* WE NEED TO MAKE BABIES NOW'.

@Ahhh Girl loves The Beatles music too!

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All modern music is terrible only if you think it is. Some people say they think it is only because it makes them feel cool, and they're so biased against modern music, they never truly give it a chance. They might think they give it a chance, but they don't. They hear it, but that doesn't mean they're listening. 

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Paul put out new music last year. I love it along with him (yes, Kite, you're right). Is that album considered modern music?

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I wouldnt include Paul in the bracket of modern music; for me its the new acts and artists on the scene putting out records. Paul is an oldie still going whilst remaining or trying to remain current.

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...oh, Lord, Madonna did THAT?! She's been going downhill these past few decades...

I'll just have to put it this way. Of the current Beatlemaniacs under 25:

33% have been raised listening to the Beatles via their parents or listening to the radio station and thus ended up loving them. Opinions of modern music varied.

33% are weird hipster types who think that liking The Beatles makes them cool (actually it does but lady and gentlemen that is not the point) and who adhere to the fact that all modern music is crap and that they hate it.

33% are people who encountered the Beatles via radio, one of their movies being on cable, last year's Grammy salute or the Internet. Do not hate modern music and may actually like it, but will groan very audibly whenever their classmates talk about Nicki Minaj song.

1%-Secret time travelers who have gone to present day and stayed stuck here due to an accident or so. You've got to look out for them, they're out there somewhere...

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Linde said
Of course I know sex sells. I just meant that that's the reason why some slutty person like Ariana Grande or Miley Cyrus is popular instead of..well, I don't know. A good example of this is the Arctic Monkeys too, first Alex Turner was just standing still and singing the songs. Now he's got that idiotic look and ''dances'' with his hips and does his hair on stage and stuff, and they're way more popular now. Okay, maybe not the best example. I'm sick anyway so just ignore everything I'm saying.

@Linde I hope you feel better soon! And I knew you knew sex sold, but as I wrote I started obsessing about just how sex-saturated Western culture is, and I thought I'd frame my point with some sarcasm ;).  I think there are 4 possible combinations of musicians, based on whether they're gifted or not and whether they're sexy or not ;) So I might think...Chrissy Hynde is gifted and sexy, Keith Richards is gifted and not sexy, Justin Timberlake is not gifted and sexy, and our collective fave Miley is neither gifted nor sexy :p

[as far as whether your example was a good one or not - I've never heard of the Arctic Monkeys or Alex Turner, but I think I got your point, so it must have been clear :]

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This has been an interesting thread.

I'm 38 (born in 1976). Most of my formative listening took place in the early 80s through to the 90s. At first I loved Michael Jackson, Frankie, Wham!, Duran Duran - all the stuff that was intended to sell to kids my age. My parents listened to Van Morrison, Blondie, Motown etc and didn't have much interest in new music.

In the late 80s I really hated rave and house, which was everywhere. It was dismal, unimaginative, designed for people on ecstasy dancing in fields or warehouses. I didn't get it because it broke all the rules I had about what music should be. The first 'proper' band I remember liking was U2, around the time of The Joshua Tree. I think there comes an age where most people shift away from accepting what record labels and radio playlisters want to give them, and delve in deeper. There's often a gateway band that helps teenagers mature and move from pop pap and into music with meaning, soul and authenticity.

I still love some pop music but the majority of it doesn't speak to me. The songwriting is often unimaginative and the production tends to be just horrible. In a world where will.i.am is popular I'm happy to be out of step. But worse is when people just don't like music or are indifferent towards it. If someone truly loves a group who I think are terrible I'm still more likely to find common conversational ground than with people with no passion for music.

The circle I can't square is that a lot of the pop I listened to as a kid still sounds OK to me now. I played Thriller loudly last weekend and it was amazing. I do wonder whether today's autotune horrorshows will invoke joy, longing and nostalgia to future generations. Do you think people will love Anaconda in years to come?

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But worse is when people just don't like music or are indifferent towards it. If someone truly loves a group who I think are terrible I'm still more likely to find common conversational ground than with people with no passion for music.

I don't understand how someone can be indifferent toward music either. It makes no sense to me.

I do wonder whether today's autotune horrorshows will invoke joy, longing and nostalgia to future generations. Do you think people will love Anaconda in years to come?

Nope... Highly doubt it.

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Joe said

But worse is when people just don't like music or are indifferent towards it. If someone truly loves a group who I think are terrible I'm still more likely to find common conversational ground than with people with no passion for music.

I don't understand how someone can be indifferent toward music either. It makes no sense to me.

 Are there things you are indifferent too?

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The circle I can't square is that a lot of the pop I listened to as a kid still sounds OK to me now. I played Thriller loudly last weekend and it was amazing. I do wonder whether today's autotune horrorshows will invoke joy, longing and nostalgia to future generations. Do you think people will love Anaconda in years to come?

Having listened to half of it i find it difficult to imagine anyone likes it now.

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Anaconda is one of those things people will put under the same banner as all the other horrible crap which makes you wonder how high the record people were when they decided to put it out. It's embarrassing.

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ahdn_paul_06 One thing I say about Anaconda is at least it is memorable and interesting which is alot better then boring.

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Clara's Broken A Glass Today said
Matt-You've made some very good points there. However; I slightly disagree;

It is true that even 60s music shocked some people, but I think it wasn't intended. Jim's aim was to write a romantic lyric, not to shake people up. David Bowie did use shock factor but I think it focused more on unusual appearances (exaggerated make up, out of this world outfits) than to draw attention to sex. 

Whereas, with lyrics like 'Come And Get It from me' and 'partying with molly'...you can see that that's not really the intention...

Also, it's a sad fact that while society tends not to judge on looks these days some people do. When I meet the very, very, very rare sane One Direction/5 Seconds of Summer fan they will comment that they like the songs of the artists better than their looks, wheras a normal fan would always post on message boards something like 'OMG *insert name of singer here* WE NEED TO MAKE BABIES NOW'.

I agree Jim's lyric was romantic/sexual, not drug-related.  But he had specifically agreed with Ed that he would sing something different (dang, it rhymes with fire, but I can't think of it)...anyway then when Jim sang the real line Ed was furious and said he'd never have them on again.  Ah, the joys of live tv :)

But yeah, there are more eloquent descriptions of getting blasted than "partying with molly".

To me, the best points, melodically or lyrically, are the subtlest ones.  That goes for all art.  That's just my opinion, but it rules out almost every top 100 song (not that some bands didn't have a bunch of hot 100s that were truly good songs!).  It certainly rules out some of the current sexier acts.

heh I can just picture @Ahhh Girl seeing Paul and yelling out "OMG Paul WE NEED..." ;)

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Joe said
The circle I can't square is that a lot of the pop I listened to as a kid still sounds OK to me now. I played Thriller loudly last weekend and it was amazing. I do wonder whether today's autotune horrorshows will invoke joy, longing and nostalgia to future generations. Do you think people will love Anaconda in years to come?

The short answer is no. In fact, the same people who love it today will hate it two years from now. Longer answer? I think it's unfair to compare Thriller to Anaconda. Only the best songs by most artists get remembered. While Thriller is an amazing song, does the song that was its B-Side in 1982 still have that longevity? I think when we talk about the past, a haze falls over the garbage and indifferent songs.

 

(Full disclosure; I'm 17, so what I'm saying can be read with that in mind, and I wrote this post while listening to XTC's Making Plans For Nigel.)

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