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Is all modern music terrible?
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Good idea for a topic @Clara's Broken A Glass Today 

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I don't find ALL modern music terrible. Nor do I think ALL music from my era is awesome. No matter what the decade, there will be stuff I like and stuff I don't care for. 

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I say no. All music can be great or terrible based on your definition of music.

I feel that people can't say blanket staitments like all modern music is terrible since you might be biased because of the top 10 pop list.

And music in the past is effected by a nostalgia filter and that the not as good songs are generally harder to find since they didn't stand the test of time so people only here the songs that stand the test of time.

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Anna's right, and I usually use blanket statements like I hate all modern music, but I'm amending that to I hate all popular modern music. All the top songs are garbage, this video is hilarious, but sounds exactly like a modern top 20 song to me:

I've been thinking about seriously looking for good stuff lately and probably will. Even some good artists release crappy stuff that will become popular. In a PM I remember @Matt Busby mentioning John Mayer, and how he's not known as much for his guitar skills as his pop songs. I've come across a video of him playing Voodoo Chile live, and it was amazing. I haven't really heard anything actually by him that hasn't been on the radio (meaning it's popular meaning I wasn't a fan) but if he plays like that on some of his own stuff then there are defiantly some good people left. If he doesn't he should.

Side note: I think he just recorded a song with Clapton... I'm so jealous! pete-best

Edit: Yup it's on the JJ Cale album.

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No not all modern music is terrible, the same as not all music in the 60's was magical. There will be some very good inventive music and artists out there you just have to find it - which will involve doing more than putting on the main radio stations as what is played on those is mostly ghastly and unlistenable (in my opinion).

That 'Happy' song is an atrocity by the way.

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A majority of the songs I listen to now - I'd say 65% - were recorded since 1998. If you listen to Top 40 you'll be surprised. Listen to The Arkells, City and Colour, Arcade Fire or Hollerado; Little Green Cars, Tallest Man on Earth or Beach House; Eminem or Logic, and tell me all new music is crap. Yes, my heart may go back to a little place in Liverpool named Strawberry Fields or go to a little New Jersey Park named Asbury, but new music is worthy.

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There's a lot of good music now for sure. Whether really good bands from the '90s that are still going really well (Radiohead, Green Day, Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, Dream Theater, U2), bands that have started in the last decade (The Protomen, Arctic Monkeys, Warpaint, Imagine Dragons, In the Presence of Wolves), or classic rock bands that are still putting out really good music (Rush, Pink Floyd, Paul), it's there. You just have to look past the Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus to find it.

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I don't feel that any of the voting options represent me, so I'll just say "pretty much what Zig said."

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I don't find ALL modern music terrible. Nor do I think ALL music from my era is awesome. No matter what the decade, there will be stuff I like and stuff I don't care for. 

True - but I think there are periods in the history of music (and any of the arts) when new territories are being explored and artists feed off one another to create something of a 'golden age'.  There was one about the time of Mozart / Schubert / Beethoven and another in the 60s.

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I actually don't dislike modern music, though I agree that a fair few artists got it made through Autotune. I do like Lorde and Beyonce very much, and I'm starting to listen to My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy every now and then. I also think Taylor Swift is actually becoming pretty mature and clever recently with things like Blank Space. Wasn't a fan of her originally, but 1989 impressed me quite a bit. It seems like going in pop was the right direction. (White Horse is good for a country song though.)

Speaking of Lorde I read a comment from her that many artists are trying to attract attention these days through...um, interesting ways. She said she wouldn't be too surprised if eventually there would come a time were we would see two people 'fucking on the stage at the VMAs'. I kind of agree with her-sex isn't bad but people are trying to create too much propaganda based on it in their songs, which creates a lot of Snark Bait for modern music. 

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Clara's Broken A Glass Today said

Speaking of Lorde I read a comment from her that many artists are trying to attract attention these days through...um, interesting ways. She said she wouldn't be too surprised if eventually there would come a time were we would see two people 'fucking on the stage at the VMAs'. I kind of agree with her-sex isn't bad but people are trying to create too much propaganda based on it in their songs, which creates a lot of Snark Bait for modern music. 

*Looks at Miley Cyrus*

That's my problem with many popular artists today, they sell music with shock value instead of talent.

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Mr. Kite said

Clara's Broken A Glass Today said

Speaking of Lorde I read a comment from her that many artists are trying to attract attention these days through...um, interesting ways. She said she wouldn't be too surprised if eventually there would come a time were we would see two people 'fucking on the stage at the VMAs'. I kind of agree with her-sex isn't bad but people are trying to create too much propaganda based on it in their songs, which creates a lot of Snark Bait for modern music. 

*Looks at Miley Cyrus*

That's my problem with many popular artists today, they sell music with shock value instead of talent.

Would the Beatles have been as popular if they weren't so God -damn good looking? I highly doubt it. Everyone who's popular has sold something offer than their talent.

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mr. Sun king coming together said

Mr. Kite said

Clara's Broken A Glass Today said

Speaking of Lorde I read a comment from her that many artists are trying to attract attention these days through...um, interesting ways. She said she wouldn't be too surprised if eventually there would come a time were we would see two people 'fucking on the stage at the VMAs'. I kind of agree with her-sex isn't bad but people are trying to create too much propaganda based on it in their songs, which creates a lot of Snark Bait for modern music. 

*Looks at Miley Cyrus*

That's my problem with many popular artists today, they sell music with shock value instead of talent.

Would the Beatles have been as popular if they weren't so God -damn good looking? I highly doubt it. Everyone who's popular has sold something offer than their talent.

There is a difference between looking good and occasionally winking at fans and stripping and twerking in front of thousands of people, y'know? Just saying...

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Not all modern music is terrible. Coldplay is a good band (while at times very boring), Muse was good, Arctic Monkeys, Jake Bugg..etc. It's just that the horrible music is more popular for some reason. Oh and about the sex thing, I think it's ridiculous, but sex sells, apparently.

There is probably a lot of good music but a lot of it doesn't come on the radio, which is a shame so it remains undiscovered by many. Also, every decade has it's crap artists, the 60s too. 

It's also a matter of taste and age. A few years ago, like 5 or 6, I thought stuff like Three Days Grace, Bullet For My Valentine etc. was awesome. Now I think they're shite and ask myself ''What the hell was I thinking'', while someone else might think they're still fantastic. I love Oasis and think they're one of the greatest band of the 90s, but someone else will think they're absolutely awful, just like I hate that Anaconda song, but someone else may love it (though I think you've got something seriously wrong with your brains if you do think it's fantastic)

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Not all modern music is terrible. Coldplay is a good band (while at times very boring), Muse was good, Arctic Monkeys, Jake Bugg..etc. It's just that the horrible music is more popular for some reason. Oh and about the sex thing, I think it's ridiculous, but sex sells, apparently.

There is probably a lot of good music but a lot of it doesn't come on the radio, which is a shame so it remains undiscovered by many. Also, every decade has it's crap artists, the 60s too. 

It's also a matter of taste and age. A few years ago, like 5 or 6, I thought stuff like Three Days Grace, Bullet For My Valentine etc. was awesome. Now I think they're shite and ask myself ''What the hell was I thinking'', while someone else might think they're still fantastic. I love Oasis and think they're one of the greatest band of the 90s, but someone else will think they're absolutely awful, just like I hate that Anaconda song, but someone else may love it (though I think you've got something seriously wrong with your brains if you do think it's fantastic)

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@mr-kite , how could you post that song on a Beatles forum?! Shame! We will be the laughing stock of the Beatles fandom, the entire classic rock fandom even! Thunder shall rain from the sky! Mountains shall burst! Fires shall be lit! We'll be given tickets to the Magical Mystery Tour ! PATTIE BOYD SHALL NEVER LOVE YOU!

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Clara's Broken A Glass Today said

Discuss!

OK, I'll try to put this rambling rant in some sort of logical order, considering cut n paste doesn't want to work within some Web pages including the bbible) .

 @mr. Kite, on shock value (apologies for the messed up format) - 

 

the next youngest generation always shocks their parents'.  A lot of people were pretty shocked by 60s music (and 1920s music). talking movies were only out 3 years before the powers that be decided they could censor them (in the states).  Recall Ed Sullivan's (upset!) reaction to Jim Morrison singing the uncensored line "girl we couldn't get much higher" on his show - he interpreted it as promoting drugs, I interpret it as promoting love. Or the way some reacted to mini skirts.  And we're all correct, as the best art (including clothes, body art, and make up) evoke totally different reactions not only by different people but within the same person depending on the situation. Since my battery is about to die, I'll finish by urging you to surf YouTube until you find some current music you like - I promise you it's out there.

 

 @Mr sun king coming together - on musicians selling "more than talent" - that's not always true. There are plenty of musicians (and all sorts of artists) who are far from attractive, at least to me. Think of John Prine or Sheryl Crowe. Try to find candid shots when they aren't in make up.

On sex (apparently) selling... @Linde, I hate to be the one to break it to you but sex has been selling since prehistoric times - they don't call it the oldest profession for nothing ;)

You make some great points but stop short of the obvious conclusion, I think. M

usic (and all the fine arts) has one overwhelming purpose - to entertain people. Sometimes the show is just music, sometimes there is acting (musicals, burlesque, opera, strip teasing - think dance of the seven veils...even acting out sexual things like twerking), sometimes they are poems or sculptures,  and of course pornography has taken many forms,  some very creative, through the ages.

A secondary purpose of art is to evoke emotions - and the real beauty is that it can evoke completely different feelings in different people or even the same person at different times. Among other uses of art is to shock people - in the music biz, think of the Dead Kennedys, Iggy Pop, even David Bowie.

Another major purpose of art is social commentary.

Dif

 

erent kinds of and reasons for art can be combined in many ways, and if it touches someone's soul, it's good art.

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 think the Internet is just beginning to show how it will effect music. Successful Indie bands were few and far between before they gained worldwide free exposure on YouTube. Virtual bands are an intriguing result of the Internet. And widespread access to different kinds of music is creating the broadest diversity of new music in history. "classic rock", blues, jazz, easy listening, punk, classical...etc. - they are all thriving and then some in addition to the pop charts which are full of music most of us here seem to dislike . Take the music you need and ignore the rest, to paraphrase an AA saying. While it's tempting to degrade some music because it may be forgotten in 50 years does not invalidate its status as music. Whether it generates a mild reaction like the tune getting stuck in your head, to a strong reaction like being banned in some communities, it's music. Even songs like "Do You Know the Way to San Jose",  which today enjoys widespread infamy as one of the worst popular songs of the 20th century, had its place in modern music (and even it's remembered 50 years later). Notice how the most creative and insightful older artists (like Paul) as well as most younger musicians use YouTube as a marketing tool.  The problem of widespread digital copyright infringement ala tpb will work itself out somehow as more and more music is only published digitally. </ramble>

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Matt-You've made some very good points there. However; I slightly disagree;

It is true that even 60s music shocked some people, but I think it wasn't intended. Jim's aim was to write a romantic lyric, not to shake people up. David Bowie did use shock factor but I think it focused more on unusual appearances (exaggerated make up, out of this world outfits) than to draw attention to sex. 

Whereas, with lyrics like 'Come And Get It from me' and 'partying with molly'...you can see that that's not really the intention...

Also, it's a sad fact that while society tends not to judge on looks these days some people do. When I meet the very, very, very rare sane One Direction/5 Seconds of Summer fan they will comment that they like the songs of the artists better than their looks, wheras a normal fan would always post on message boards something like 'OMG *insert name of singer here* WE NEED TO MAKE BABIES NOW'.

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