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I read the news today (oh boy) - Current world events
15 January 2019
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So, the UK Parliament has voted on Prime Minister May's deal to leave the European Union in just over 72 days.

202 voted in favour of the deal, 432 voted against, seeing her deal rejected by a massive 230 votes.

You have to go back to the 1920s to find a similarly large defeat for a Government when Lloyd-George lost a Motion by 160+ votes. 

In normal times the Government would fall after such a heavy defeat on their sole reason to exist and we would be facing a General Election. These are not normal times. There has been a Motion of No Confidence in the Government tabled by Labour that will be voted on tomorrow.

The Government will win that, turkeys do not vote for Christmas - but especially not these turkeys.

We have a Prime Minister who can neither command a majority in the House of Commons for her principle policy or be removed - because party plotters bodged their attempted coup and she can't be challenged by her backbenchers for another year now.

As it stands, in just over 72 days we leave the European Union without any deal.

The catastrophe of Brexit hurtles on uninterrupted.

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15 January 2019
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How many MPs want a no-deal Brexit?

Do you think the EU negotiate any further?

15 January 2019
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I doubt the EU will negotiate any further in any case, but Corbyn has called for a vote of no confidence which will be debated and potentially voted on tomorrow. So we may be seeing a general election within weeks if the government loses.

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15 January 2019
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QuarryMan said
I doubt the EU will negotiate any further in any case, but Corbyn has called for a vote of no confidence which will be debated and potentially voted on tomorrow. So we may be seeing a general election within weeks if the government loses.

  

The Government will not lose. The DUP has said they will vote in favour of the Government and not enough Conservatives will vote against themselves (you never know with some, one or two might feel that they will win anyway so let's make a statement against May but not enough) and May's leadership cannot be challenged from inside her own party. The fact she is utterly useless and has been throughout the entirety of the whole Brexit process yet is still there is quite some achievement.

The vote is after a 6-hour session of debate about the failed Brexit plan May put together and no doubt where we go from here. The trouble is there is no consensus on the way forward with only lots of dissension from all sides as soon as someone opens their mouth with a rough suggestion.

The EU has been very clear that the plan they agreed with May is the only plan with no further negotiations (May tried and got sent away) and that has now been overwhelmingly rejected by UK MP's.

 

Absolutely no idea where we go from here. but then I don't think anyone has a clue.

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15 January 2019
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The pound wobbled......But is back up.

Atlas still on the job and the sky hasn't fallen.

Interesting times........and we've little choice but to live them.

Keep calm and listen to the White Album ........It ain't Dunkirk.

16 January 2019
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MMM was right, the government has lasted it out. 

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16 January 2019
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A few days ago I read online that some activist is encouraging the Dollar Tree to raise their prices.paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

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16 January 2019
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8That's very strange...

So things are great here in the US, amirite???? Government shutdown, wall funding... it's all good.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8That's very strange...

So things are great here in the US, amirite???? Government shutdown, wall funding... it's all good.

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I live in a Navy town. The shutdown is the only thing anybody ever talks about. 

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Who knows how long it's going to last. We seem to be very gridlocked at the moment. Neither party seems to be willing to compromise.

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Trump needs to realise that only around a quarter of the US population voted for his wall, and that holding government employees hostage is not going to make the policy any more popular with the remaining 3/4. He had 2 years of Republican controlled Congress anyways, why didn't he set it in motion right from the beginning?

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8No idea, but I'm very thankful he didn't.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8No idea, but I'm very thankful he didn't.  

I rather wish he had, and just got it done with.

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My optimistic self (that's partially a joke, I'm not really an optimist) is still hoping that the wall isn't going to happen, so I'm glad he waited until the Democrats took over the House. But the whole thing just sucks.

Just out of curiosity, when was the last time something happy was posted in this thread? ahdn_paul_01

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17 January 2019
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Trump needs to realise that only around a quarter of the US population voted for his wall, and that holding government employees hostage is not going to make the policy any more popular with the remaining 3/4. He had 2 years of Republican controlled Congress anyways, why didn't he set it in motion right from the beginning?

  

Yes I agree his Republican Party are as bad as the Dems.....Well almost. They like the cheap labour and are under the control of business pressure groups who paved their way into power. The Dems are treading the Tony Blaire path of importing voters...Not my business I know.....Up to US Citizens. 

But what's the feeling on finally dealing with illegal immigration? A wall and a change to the laws should be so straightforward. 

I support those who have queued for their Green cards....Should put this in Pet Peeves.......but I hate queue jumpers. Not fair.

A wall with doors? Don't see why there's the fuss?  

Just like getting out of Afghanistan after 17 years sooner or later a US President will have to grasp these nettles. 

 

Having said that.......I jumped in here because an almost 98 year old man nearly 'blew his mind out in a car.'......I happen to like the old Duke and glad he's OK but he clearly shouldn't be allowed at the wheel again......For the safely of others.

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The main problem with the wall (besides the fact that borders only separate us) is that it would cost about $70 billion dollars to build, that's more than Mark Zuckerberg's net worth pissed away on an overpriced wall that can't even truly stop illegal immigration since most illegal immigrants come here legally but overstay their visa and become illegal immigrants.

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The main problem with the wall (besides the fact that borders only separate us) is that it would cost about $70 billion dollars to build, that's more than Mark Zuckerberg's net worth pissed away on an overpriced wall that can't even truly stop illegal immigration since most illegal immigrants come here legally but overstay their visa and become illegal immigrants.

  

Pew refutes that assertion.........Of the current estimate of about 11 million illegals, (it could be double that) 6 to 7 million illegal border crossings against 4 to 5.5 visa overstays......Both over time huge problems......Both problems need tackling.

Walls don't only separate.....they protect, I'm sure you've got walls and locks on your doors........Obama and Nancy have too.

Israel is practically surrounded by walls precisely because they work...American taxpayers Reps' and Dems have no problem funding these walls to protect Israelis.....But American citizens can continue to be put at risk it seems......They are obligated to pay for the services illegal immigrants claim but not offered effective protection.

While most first generation legal immigrants to the US are more law abiding than the general population..... Illegals carry out more serious crimes: murder, manslaughter, rape etc than both groups...

You'll know the the drug stats, sex trafficking stats, drink driving deaths , gang related murders etc better than I do. If Americans don't consider it a problem then you're right......the wall is a waste of money and I needn't waste my breath......

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But that's different, the US and Mexico are at peace. Israel on the other hand is a Jewish nation in a far right Muslim continent.

As for the whole illegals carry out more serious crime, i'd like to point out that some of the worst attacks on US soil were done by US citizens, most notably the Boston marathon bombing.

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But that's different, the US and Mexico are at peace. Israel on the other hand is a Jewish nation in a far right Muslim continent.

As for the whole illegals carry out more serious crime, i'd like to point out that some of the worst attacks on US soil were done by US citizens, most notably the Boston marathon bombing.

  

Israel is at peace currently with Egypt and built its border wall with Jordan recently purely to keep out 'refugees'......It's worked; levels of illegal entries dropped by over 96% and there was a concordant drop in crime levels........

Yes some of the worst terror attacks were from home grown children of immigrants and others......But the main problems resulting from unchecked border crossings are crime and drugs carried out by illegal immigrants..... and for some of the least important and least considered American workers, for them their displacement in the work place by cheap unskilled illegals is an enormous problem.

All countries need immigration......But I'd thought most Americans think it should be controlled. Maybe I'm wrong about that, though from all I've read I'm pretty certain that  those immigrants who have followed the rules and after great effort have become legal citizens want a wall.......

Once you've got a wall then you can add the whistles and bells of drones and electronic monitoring. You have control again at least at the Southern border and presumably other routes into the US will need plugging.

If you can convince me that you think it's desirable for there to be open borders....Then I'll have to concede the argument because I can't see any case I could possibly make for building a wall that would carry any weight with you, and we'd just go round in circles.

If however you do believe that, presumably you could make a case against there being any walls at all....Round your home, or Obama's or the White House or around prisons....Or the need for any locked doors for that matter. That personal wealth accrued by enterprise and endeavour should be shared and not protected and that personal safety, crime levels etc should  not be considered an issue worth bothering with.

I'm sure you don't feel that way.......

If it's purely a question of cost.......Then we can get into that next time.

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I've read that according to studies conducted by Trump's own administration, the current US border security mechanism is 93% effective at preventing illegal crossings. The construction of a wall would raise is to 95%. That's how many billion dollars for what? 2% more security? 

I'll have to double check where I got that statistic from though before I wade into the debate.

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