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I read the news today (oh boy) - Current world events
17 February 2018
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@Little Piggy Dragonguy But the Republicans are doing everything they can to destroy any form of public healthcare! They’re not making effort on any aspect of the problem since they know that the more guns are sold, the fatter their wallets are going to be. Why do you act like it’s impossible to take action on both elements of the problem at once – the cause and the means? 

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Zig said

meanmistermustard said
Screw living there.  

I am so deeply offended by that remark.

Seems as though a couple of Moderators, whom I feel are both class acts, could use a little Moderation here…  allow me, if I could be so bold…

I can certainly understand how someone from the U.S.A. could view this remark as an insult to their country, especially while discussing sensitive issues during such turbulent times…  but I personally dismissed this as just another meanmistermustardism…  Yes, he could’ve worded his feelings better, but I think that I can speak for a lot of others here when I say that his trademark candor is something that is much appreciated on this forum…  He’s never been one to mince words…  He’s Very John…

If I could expand on what he may have been trying to get across, I’d go even farther and say ” visiting there”…  I used to visit the U.S.A. atleast once, often twice, a year but haven’t crossed the Canada/U.S. Border since 1991…  Why?  Because I simply didn’t feel safe there anymore…  During my last visit en route to Las Vegas via Highway 95 from Reno in Nevada State, we stopped at a gas station in the middle of the desert in one of those “blink and you miss” towns (if it can even be called a “town”)…  Now when I say “gas station”, I don’t mean Sunoco, BP or Exxon…  This was a tiny trailer sized store with a single old rusted pump and a simple sign that read ‘Gas’, squeaking as it swung to the wind…  I got a weird vibe at first for there was also a handmade ‘Cash Only’ message taped to the pump, but we needed the fuel and thankfully there was a flickering ‘Open’ sign in the window…  When I went inside to pay I was absolutely astonished at what I saw…  Instead of munchies and cold beverages, there was a glass display case of firearms for sale…  I know nothing about guns but these appeared to be more than your average sidearm or pistol…  I don’t know what a semi-automatic is supposed to look like but I believe that I saw one that day…  Behind the counter was a creepy old man who didn’t say a word and just took my money…  I didn’t even ask for change and got the hell out of there hoping not to knock over the shelf of ammunition on my way out…

The rest of the journey to Vegas was just as disturbing…  I couldn’t help but notice the Warnings of Nuclear Test Sites as we traversed farther South on Hwy 95, which made me feel literally sick to my stomach…  and if that wasn’t enough, we witnessed the police shooting out the tires of a car that it was chasing as we were strolling down Las Vegas Strip in broad daylight!  We’d planned to stay in Vegas a week but packed up and left that very same night, and took the I-5 home from LA instead…  I was so happy to finally set foot on Canadian soil and vowed never to go to the States ever again, something I’ve upheld to this day…

I know that it’s been implied that some of us are “painting all Americans with the same brush” but it’s more a case of “one bad apple spoils the barrel” (or one bad barrel destroys the refinery) here I feel…  It’s heartwarming to hear Zig’s story about his family, and many other Americans doing some real good for others down there, but it does nothing to make me feel safer about ever visiting there again…  I think it’s important for Americans to hear how other countries view their Nation elsewhere, as hard as it may be to hear…  Perhaps even more Americans will engage in the humanitarian gestures that Zig has been kind to share with us, and in time?  The World WILL take notice…  Laying down the arms would be a good start and, sorry but Trump’s gotta go…  He’s not even fit to run his own business, let alone the United States of America…

Just sharing my thoughts and I sincerely hope that our two Leaders here at The Beatles Bible will kiss and make-up…  if they haven’t all ready…:-)

   

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Thank you Billy – well said. On behalf of all here who know how awesome this country can be, I am embarrassed about what you experienced during your visit to Vegas. 

I am also embarrassed at my behavior the other day. As I told Joe and the Mods in a private email, I was emotionally vulnerable after witnessing the latest horror that occurred in Florida. When I landed in this thread, I found more political views than sorrow. It’s not the first time this has occurred and I knew it was coming…again. But it was the last straw for me. Then I did something I often encourage others not to do – I went off on someone in the open Forum. I have already apologized to meanmistermustard privately, and now I apologize openly to all others that were left in my wake.

These types of discussions are not what I come to a Beatles website for. 

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17 February 2018
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Zig said
Thank you Billy – well said. On behalf of all here who know how awesome this country can be, I am embarrassed about what you experienced during your visit to Vegas. 

I am also embarrassed at my behavior the other day. As I told Joe and the Mods in a private email, I was emotionally vulnerable after witnessing the latest horror that occurred in Florida. When I landed in this thread, I found more political views than sorrow. It’s not the first time this has occurred and I knew it was coming…again. But it was the last straw for me. Then I did something I often encourage others not to do – I went off on someone in the open Forum. I have already apologized to meanmistermustard privately, and now I apologize openly to all others that were left in my wake.

These types of discussions are not what I come to a Beatles website for.   

I am extremely grateful for your remarks @Zig. You stood in defense of your country in an extremely sensible way. There should never be any problem with that. 

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17 February 2018
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I never mean or intend to cause offence, if I ever do I apologise in advance and afterwards. What I posted would not have caused a raised eyebrow where I am from – how do I know that, because others feel the same and post the same in Scottish forum I peruse. 

Regardless of how US citizens see the US, some looking in nowadays see a divided country that is getting pulled further apart and somewhere inside is this crazy amount of tragic pointless deaths needlessly caused and nothing is done about it. I would never feel safe being there due to what I see and hear so I posted what I did, bluntly, as that’s how I speak – sometimes too much so but I’ve never gotten the hang or point of tact.

My first reaction when the news broke was horror at the events and what it meant for those caught up but I’m not one for coming on and posting about how I stand in sadness with the victims. Sorry, but I’ve seen far too many of these occur and I’m more in the camp of doing something, for fuck sake do something. So many politicians coming out on Twitter and Facebook stating how they are sending prayers and condolences yet just go on with their days, nothing is happening to change it and many, including those caught up in the very horrors, are coming out and saying that they want action, not sympathy. Three months down the line is not the time to start discussions and have a think because something else will come along and it will be conveniently pushed back behind whatever else. It’s not a surprise it happened, it’s not a surprise nothing will change, it’s not a surprise it will happen again – and to me that’s fucked up and should be deeply troubling to all and everyone.

I’m not interested in where you stand politically, what the reasons are behind it, what happened 3 months/weeks/years ago in the Senate. A ll I see and hear in the news are people being killed needlessly and it saddens and pisses me off because if serious change was wanted it would happen (that’s not saying nobody anywhere doesn’t want change before someone comes out and claims that’s what I mean).

Now, you can all argue about who is to blame for the lack of action (NRA, Trump and co, the voters, the system, the history, every other country), and no doubt with good reason; you can all respond with deep fury at what I write, and fair enough, it’s your viewpoint. 

I was never offended or irked by what Zig posted, I would be more so if he hadn’t. apple01 heart

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Thank you meanmistermustard. It is reassuring to know we are not unalike. There will never be any doubt about where we stand.

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There is reason to hope that the future of the USA may be in better hands.  Two of the outspoken Parkland survivor kids:

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I just heard that parts of Scotland have been put on a red alert because of the snow. Stay safe, @meanmistermustard. 

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I just heard that parts of Scotland have been put on a red alert because of the snow. Stay safe, @meanmistermustard.   

Thanks. 

I’m in the south of England where snow fell on Monday and Tuesday and is forecast for Thursday and Friday. I love snow so am delighted it’s here. Scotland gets in all contained into one day so it’s a toss-up between one really heavy 24 hours or spread out over four days.

Personally I feel the reactions have been over the top the last day or so. As long as you’re sensible out in the snow you’ll be fine. 

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*awaits Bibler concern on Ireland’s red warning*

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*awaits the Australian media to catch up to that fact*

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A teacher in a Georgia school yesterday fired a gun inside a classroom and students had to rush out the school by the fire escapes with several getting injured from the trampling. Hopefully this will show the US powers that be that arming teachers is not the solution.

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QuarryMan said
A teacher in a Georgia school yesterday fired a gun inside a classroom and students had to rush out the school by the fire escapes with several getting injured from the trampling. Hopefully this will show the US powers that be that arming teachers is not the solution.  

Has it been reported as to why the gun was fired?

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Overall how well do you think Trump is doing as president?

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Overall how well do you think Trump is doing as president?  

Idk I’m not really into politics, but as far as the things I hear he says I think he’s a joke. I can’t speak on what he’s trying to do as far as laws being passed or laws he wants passed, or budgets, because I don’t pay attention to that. 

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Overall how well do you think Trump is doing as president?  

It’s a mixed bag. I like some of the things he’s done, such as the Mexico City policy, but others like backing out of the Paris agreement and the Muslim ban i’m not particularly fond of.

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I’m only going posting about this once (and probably on the 26th of May when the results are out). 

If you are interested in international events you may have heard that the Republic of Ireland will be holding a referendum on the 25th of May 2018 to repeal the 8th amendment in our constitution. 

The amendment reads:

The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.

The people are voting on whether they would like this to be changed to:

Provision may be made by law for the regulation of termination of pregnancy.

Allowing women to end their pregnancy (i.e. have an abortion) without question within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and it will be extended for women whose pregnancy will end due to a fatal foetal abnormality.

In 2016, 3,265 women went from Ireland to Britain to have an abortion. If the 8th Amendment is repealed, these women will no longer have to leave Ireland to get their pregnancy terminated, and can be treated by their own doctors, at home. 

Now, I am pro-choice, I believe women should have control over their own anatomy, and no government should have control over a citizen’s healthcare and what they wish to do with their body. If you have similar beliefs to me then I would be incredibly grateful if you could donate to the ‘Together For Yes’ campaign that is fundraising posters and leaflets educating people on how the 8th Amendment has affected women in Ireland. Currently, the only posters that are on display are for the ‘no repeal’ side and they are largely being funded by outside (i.e. American) pro-life campaigns who have unbelievable amounts of money. 

The response has been incredible and currently the ‘Together For Yes’ campaign has raised €430,000 out of the €500,000 that they need to make a nationwide leaflet campaign. 

If you agree with my stance on the 8th, then even throwing €1 or €2 into the campaign would make the world of difference. 

If you are unsure or on the fence (even on the whole abortion issue in general) then I would also recommend reading the In Her Shoes- Women of the Eighth Facebook page (I’ll enclose 2 stories in spoilers below, one is about an unplanned crisis pregnancy, the other is about a fatal foetal abnormality, all stories are replicated as originally written including typos)

 

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“I was sick, weak and exhausted for weeks. Even the thought of food made me physically vomit. I had made plans to make an appointment for my doctor to get my bloods done but before I got the chance to do so my mother greeted me at the door after college one day with a pregnancy test to ‘rule it out’. I agreed through laughter thinking she was mad. I took it, it came back positive. I broke down and she assured me what ever I decided to do she would support me, knowing that I never wanted children to begin with, but hoping that finding out I was pregnant would spark some sort of maternal instinct within me. It did, but I pushed it far to the back of my mind.

I drove over to my boyfriends house frantic and in tears and told him the news. That was Monday night and I was in a clinic in Co. Dublin by Tuesday to make arrangements to travel to England.

I passed two women outside the clinic from the church across the road. They tried to speak to me, I wouldn’t look at them. I kept my head down and ignored them whilst frantically ringing the buzzer to get in as quick as I could. I told the lady at reception my name and sat in the waiting room, petrified. I was called in for my scan, the nurse asked me if I wanted to see my baby and I replied ‘no, please, thank you’ I couldn’t even speak properly through the floods of tears. I was 7 weeks. The scan was horrific, I felt like what I was doing was evil. I ignored it and I was in England by Friday.

I got up at 4AM and went to the airport. By the time I got to the clinic in London I was completely exhausted and just wanted to get it over and done with. 2 hours later I was brought into a room and was asked for my scans that were carried out in the clinic in Dublin. I didn’t bring them because I was absolutely terrified that I would be searched and I wouldn’t be allowed to travel. Silly of me looking back, but I couldn’t think straight. Aside from that, I didn’t want them to take my scans away from me. They were mine. So the nurse had to carry out another scan. I couldn’t believe how comforting and understanding they were because I was ‘from Ireland’. I was waiting in the clinic for 6 hours, and I felt nothing. I wasn’t afraid, sad, happy or angry. I was completely numb.

6 hours later I woke up with a feeling of happiness and relief. I left the clinic in high spirits and proceeded to travel to the boat I was getting home. Half an hour into the journey, the pain relief wore off and what should have been a 2 hour journey turned into a 6 hour journey because of the extreme pain I was in. I can’t count the amount of times we stopped on the motorway so I could vomit from the pain. Not to mention the diarrhoea.

I eventually got home the next day and rested for the day whilst trying to complete a 2000 word essay for college. I was still extremely tender.

I woke up the next morning in a pool of my own sweat with extreme stomach pain, and I had to go to work. My manager isn’t very understanding at the best of times so I took painkillers and it died down. I went to work, I was in there for an hour when the bleeding started. I sat on the toilet, a blood clot the size of a fully grown mans fist fell out of me and into the toilet. I panicked and sat there on the toilet of my freezing cold work restroom feeling alone and absolutely hysterical, not knowing what to do, I didn’t know if a clot this size was normal. I ignored it, and eventually pulled myself up off the toilet and washed my face and got back to work after about 20 minutes. I have no idea how I got through that day in work but I did.

I have no education on the aftercare of an abortion, and I won’t go to my doctor because I’m ashamed. I was stuck in a car for 6 hours after my abortion in extreme pain because I stupidly thought that, that was the best option. I thought I would make a two hour journey to my means of transport to get home in discomfort.

I’m struggling to come to terms with my decision now. I don’t feel like I made the right choice and it’s ruining my life. I can’t talk to anyone about it.

I can’t help but wonder if Ireland was equipped with the right resources for abortion, would I have rushed into my decision? If I didn’t feel like what I was doing was wrong, would I have done it so quickly to ‘get it over done with’?

I’ll never know now.

This is the worst experience I’ve ever had in my life, and my country had made that experience simply horrific.

The shame and guilt that has been instilled in me since birth on this topic has made this to be the most loneliest feeling I will ever feel in my lifetime.

I just wanted my mam and my best friend by my side.”

 

Story 2:

“My nightmare started in august of 2016.I discovered I was pregnant and I was in complete shock.

My partner of 8 years and I had separated and we had a 2 year old little boy already and this baby certainly was not in the plan but as time went on I began to get excited about our new baby.
I had lots of complications at the beginning of my pregnancy which meant medications,surgery and lots of hospital stays. I was told I would miscarry my little one but I didn’t which made me think that this little guy is really meant to be here.I always felt something may be wrong with him and asked for an anomaly scan early on but was refused it.

Eventually, and only because of my age, i was 41,i was given the anomaly scan at 24 weeks. I was told that day that the lady doing the scan could not see one of the his kidneys due to the way he was lying,she said I had nothing to worry about and to come back in 4 days time to be re-scanned.

I drove back home which was a 2 hour journey with a sick feeling in my tummy, i always felt there was something wrong and my gut feeling was being confirmed.I returned to the hospital 4 days later and my worst fears became a reality. Alone and very scared I was told that my precious little boy had 5 heart abnormalities and that he was very very ill. At no time did the consultant say that he would survive after birth. 
I was brought into a room where I was handed information on an organisation who help women who receive this sort of news. An appointment was made for me in Crumlin 2 days later where another fetal medicine specialist confirmed my angels conditions. 
She said that he ‘probably would survive’ but would need numerous surgeries from birth and he would have a short life span.

I thought my heart was going to break on the drive home.I couldn’t take any of it in,it was like it wasn’t happening to me.

I was referred for an amniocentesis 3 days later to determine if my little boy had down syndrome and was asked by the consultant if it really made any difference to the decision I was making. 
Again when I asked her if he would die she said ‘he will probably survive’. Being told this made my decision so much more difficult and nobody would help me or be completely honest with me about how bad his heart conditions were.

I eventually got the truth when I sent all my scan reports to England were I was told that my little boy had fatal heart abnormalities and would not survive after birth. I was 25 weeks pregnant at this stage and I was in hell. I didn’t know what to do,i couldn’t even get a doctor in this country to discuss any options with me let alone help me.

On Christmas day I decided that I could not have my little boy suffer for even the couple of days he would live for so I made a the necessary calls to Liverpool Womens Hospital to have a compassionate induction.

Because it was Christmas I could not get an appointment for a further 2 weeks.My little guy was getting bigger everyday and I was growing to love him more with every little kick.

My partner could not come with me,he had to stay behind to mind or other little boy so I travelled to England with my amazing Dad. We stayed in a hotel that night and I never slept for a second. I spent that night talking to my angel telling him how much I loved him and feeling him kick,all the while knowing that he would be gone in a few hours.

The following morning I checked into the hospital.It was so horrendous being in a strange place and not knowing anybody, i was so terrified.

My little man was born sleeping the following morning. He was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen.He was 2lbs 4oz and he was just perfect.I spent 2 days in the hospital just holding him and kissing him and then I had to leave him.I will never forget that feeling of walking out of the hospital room without him.

An amazing organisation within the hospital who look after babies like my little one so kindly arranged to have him flown home to me and I collect him in his little white coffin 6 days later from Dublin airport.I kept him at home for 4 days and then drove him to Dublin to be cremated.

The kindness I was shown by staff at Dublin airport and at Mount Jerome Cemetery was just incredible but I was some badly let down by the medical profession.

Had I been givin the anomaly scan at 11 weeks as planned,my little ones heart issues would have been apparent then and while it would still have been a devastating decision to make in some ways it may have been a little easier.
I should never have had to go through all of this in a different country,away from everyone I love.And the worst part is that I felt I had to keep it a secret because I was scared of what people would think.

My beautiful boy shouldn’t be a secret.

I had to do this for my little boy without any support from my own country.How can anybody think that that is okay??How is it acceptable that my beautiful angel had to be flown home to me as part of cargo on an Aer Lingus flight??

This needs to stop

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Just a note, I would prefer if no one replied to the above post, I don’t want this thread to be turned into an abortion thread.

 

However, you are more than free to PM me and I will reply to any messages/questions/threats to my life you may have. 

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12 April 2018
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Talking generally, I think it is a good thing when politicians are prepared to take constitutional issues to the electorate to decide, rather than keep insisting that they know best and that the constitution cannot be changed. Referendums in the UK have allowed for political devolution to the Scots, Welsh, and Northern Irish, while also preventing the break-up of the Union. It would be nice to see some referendums in Northern Ireland on contentious social issues. It would also be interesting to see one in the US over whether citizens still agreed with the current legal interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, or whether they feel it needs amending to allow for some more control over gun ownership without them losing their 2nd Amendment Rights completely.

Too often loud minorities dictate what happens to the silent majority. Referendums allow the silent majority to have their voices heard, and I am pleased to see Ireland’s politicians giving their electorate their say.

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The United States, France and the UK have bombed three sites in Syria connected to the production, storage and research of chemical weapons.

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