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I read the news today (oh boy) - Current world events
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I'm very pleased and proud of my country today.

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Whereas I am ashamed that so many of my fellow citizens have, over decades, been misled to a foolish decision by a largely right wing bunch of self-interested hypocrites.

If this does the damage I fear, this will be a bumpy ride.

The pound is already down at levels not seen since 1985.

I pray those that have forced our hand are right when they suggest the European Union will give us roughly the same deal we have now. Myself, I fear for the worse. Not many divorces result in everything carrying on without much change.

One thing we have certainly done is limit the chance of our youngsters working in Europe.

Then there is the question of Scotland. I wouldn't blame the Scots for demanding a new referendum on their place in the United Kingdom.

Time will tell.

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David Cameron has just resigned as British Prime Minister. He will stay in post for three months.

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I woke up this morning and screamed "JESUS, WHAT DID THEY DO?!?!?!" 

Lads we've just gotten over our last recession, ye'll bring Ireland down with you, thanks to Britain being Ireland's largest trading partner.

Just look at the value of the dollar to the pound, yesterday it was $1.50 for every £1 now it's $1.11, Jesus Christ. It's good for us pound-euro wise but everything else it's shit. This better not start a knock-off of countries leaving the EU or else Europe will go to hell (tbf with all the chaos going on atm it's halfway-there)

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Scotland will be pushing for another Independence referendum, no chance at all that Sturgeon and the rest of the SNP will see Scotland leave the EU (we all voted to remain), and it will be that we will be voting to leave the UK. There is a massive feeling that we missed the boat last time around.

Must say I didnt see this coming but it will straighten out in time and life will go on within us and without us. 

Boris is going to be PM tho. I think that's more scary.

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This is terrible. I'm not a UK citizen, obviously, but I am a EU citizen and I hate this outcome. People are now clamouring for a "Nexit" referendum as well. Well, I'll vote to stay IN. This is just.... Bollocks! paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

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@AppleScruffJunior said
Just look at the value of the dollar to the pound, yesterday it was $1.50 for every £1 now it's $1.11, Jesus Christ. It's good for us pound-euro wise but everything else it's shit.

It ain't good for me. @Ahhh Girl booked her flights to come across in October earlier in the week, which I will be paying her for as she's as my guest. When she booked the flights, I owed her £893.91. Just before the polls closed, I owed her £887.71. Currently I owe her £949.68. A bit of an improvement as it was £970.52 a little earlier.

Can just keep my fingers crossed!

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Nicola Sturgeon has said that a 2nd Independence Referendum is now on the table for Scotland, though discussions need to be had.

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Scotland now has the ground to have a second referendum due to the UK leaving the EU and as soon as Scotland voted no in 2014 the SNP were just waiting to get another opportunity to have a second Independence Referendum. It was therefore inevitable and almost certainly this time round, i think, we will be leaving the UK. 

I can easily see leaving the EU leading to the break-up of the UK.

I voted for Independence and to remain in the EU. 

Meanwhile Labour should be in a position at the moment to really push forward and be a threat to the Conservatives as Boris comes into power yet they are in more of a mess than ever and even more detached from their voters.

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If Scotland get their independence referendum (and they'll definitely go independent, better to have some security than the unknown of Brexit), then I can definitely imagine the UK as a whole just breaking down. 

All hell will break loose in Northern Ireland though between Republicans and Unionists if the UK collapses, Unionists will not want to join the Republic and a lot of the Republic don't want N. Ireland anyways because it's a money drain.

 

I'd hate to be a student in the UK atm, I'm studying languages and business and the thought of not being able to go on Erasmus in 3rd year is horrible. 

It really is a plunge into the unknown and I'm kind of scared to be honest. Our economy has just managed to get back on its feet and we're getting back to late 90's/pre-Celtic Tiger era Ireland again, I really don't want us to go back to post-2007 Ireland where everything was crap and no one had money and unemployment was rife and ugh no, not again. 

 

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Already talk from Northern Ireland of looking at Independence and if there is an appetite for such a move.

If the Republic dont want NI and the Unionists dont want to join the Republic then surely they agree and its tea and scones all round.

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^Maybe if Scotland became independent, N. Ireland can join them to create Scotireland.

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And now for the "Law of Unintended Consequences" to kick in...

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And now, to top it all, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has cancelled his appearance at the Glastonbury Festival this weekend. Just when I was so looking forward to more of his lacklustre and dreary performance...

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Already talk from Northern Ireland of looking at Independence and if there is an appetite for such a move.

If the Republic dont want NI and the Unionists dont want to join the Republic then surely they agree and its tea and scones all round.  

No offence to Northern Ireland but it is the truth, they wouldn't be able to keep themselves afloat for long without financial aid that they wouldn't be getting from being in the UK or the EU. 

Quite a bit of the UK's money goes to helping Northern Ireland balance its books and it doesn't produce much that it can export (unless it tries to start its motor industry again, all hail the DeLorean), so if it declared independence as a sovereign state recognised by the UN then it wouldn't be able to keep its self running.

 

In other good news: The Republican party, Sinn Féin, is calling for our own EU Referendum. No Gerry Adams, no.

 

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@AppleScruffJunior, some business talking heads on satellite radio said that Brexit would be good for Ireland because more American business would move their European operations out of Britain and into Ireland.

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^ That's true (tbf we were attracting the majority of them already). We are the only predominately English-speaking country in the EU now. We have the lowest corporation tax in Europe (@12.5%) and if we really like you we won't make you pay tax/very little tax at all coughAPPLEcough. 

In saying that it is one of the very few positives for Ireland with the UK leaving, rest of it is pretty crap to say the least.

I don't want to see our Balance of Trade this year- yikes.

 

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This might sound stupid, but...

Could someone break down the Brexit to me.  I normally somewhat try to keep up with international news,  but between the latest shootings and what not and my father in law dying Ive been thrown out of loop until last night. What's going on?  Why do they want to leave?  What's going to happen? It all sounds very scary to me. I know the UK voted to get out of the EU. Well,  the majority not Scotland or London.  Scotland wants to break away from the UK.  I know it was mostly older folks who swayed the vote.  I know stocks have fallen and the pound has fallen. The Prime Minister is resigning. Apart from that I'm still trying to pick up the pieces for it to make sense. 

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Sky999 said
This might sound stupid, but...

Could someone break down the Brexit to me.  I normally somewhat try to keep up with international news,  but between the latest shootings and what not and my father in law dying Ive been thrown out of loop until last night. What's going on?  Why do they want to leave?  What's going to happen? It all sounds very scary to me. I know the UK voted to get out of the EU. Well,  the majority not Scotland or London.  Scotland wants to break away from the UK.  I know it was mostly older folks who swayed the vote.  I know stocks have fallen and the pound has fallen. The Prime Minister is resigning. Apart from that I'm still trying to pick up the pieces for it to make sense.   

Well I'm sure there will be disagreement but here's my twopennythoworth......

 

Scotland who proudly state they want independence will leave the Union of Britain to join the European Union. They will cast aside all the devolutionary gains, the influence they have over England with 50+ seats in the Westminster Parliament, and the financial support they've enjoyed from the rest of the UK since the price of oil crashed..... They'll do this to become an insignificant, un-listened-to 8 and a wee bit% voter in an enlarged European Union. That's if Spain's veto, (they have their own separatists problems) can be bought off.

London did indeed vote to remain by a whopping 19.8%

But the majorities in the rest of England for Leave were: NE 16% NW 6.9% West Midlands 18.4% Yorkshire 15.4% and so on.

The vote that tipped the balance turned out in the end to be the honest patriotic core Labour voters. These are the people least consulted and least respected, who have been ridiculed, and sniffed at for years by London's right-on politically correct Blairites.

For ordinary working men and women immigration is a major and genuine concern that the politicians ignore and won't discuss. The Scots don't see this of course because nobody goes there.

Out of 260,000 net immigrants from the EU in 2014......only 8,000 went to Scotland......Doesn't add much to housing or surgery lists does it?

 

But for me Sovereignty was the major issue....by a long way.

The EU (as Scotland may find out) is increasingly authoritarian and dismissive of populous' concerns. There are five EU presidents....and practically no one in the UK or on Earth can name all five of them. They already, in many areas supersede in authority the British Supreme Court, British Parliament and the Prime Minister. You might be interested to know that there are 10,000 Brussels eurocrats who earn more than David Cameron.

These presidents are unelected ....unaccountable.

The greatest symbol of British democracy is the removal van outside No 10 Downing ST.... But we can't vote the EU five out. Call me old-fashioned and out of touch but I don't like that.

The history of the EU, from noble beginnings is one of gradual political union. The Common Market we joined is a thing of the past. South European countries joined for more democracy.....they didn't have much. Eastern Europeans joined because they were fed up with the Warsaw Pact.

My firm belief is that as home to the Mother of Parliaments and the oldest democracy in Europe we have that covered. We don't need to be assimilated like the 'Borg'

We joined on a trade basis.......It's changed. 

For me this was the last vote that mattered....That counted.....The pace of political assimilation was increasing......Not long from now we would have been questioning why we have a Parliament at all.

 

There will be problems ahead......Not least because Referendums are polarising.....No common ground to glean votes from as in a General Election it's In/OUT and the arguments get nasty and drive a wedge between the opposing camps. Bridges will have to be built and the large percentage that voted to remain must also have some of there concerns addressed. 

 

Others here will think differently and why not?

But the arguments were made...the votes cast.....and counted.

Leave won.

I won't be posting on this subject again. I know how upset some of you get.

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Sky999 said
This might sound stupid, but...

Could someone break down the Brexit to me.  I normally somewhat try to keep up with international news,  but between the latest shootings and what not and my father in law dying Ive been thrown out of loop until last night. What's going on?  Why do they want to leave?  What's going to happen?  

A perhaps less one-eyed perspective from another outsider: Wigwam is probably right that a key motive for voting Leave was the belief that immigration is the chief cause of UK woes. Two problems with this view are being demonstrated and will continue to unfold

* An immediate and long-term economic effect. And of course the political fallout. For instance the celebrating UKIP MEPs seem to have forgotten they'll be out of a job and any influence on EU policy.

* Immigration is not actually the problem, it's inequality and that will most definitely not change nor will the situation be helped by being both generational and to the advantage of the already wealthy and powerful.

Changing PMs is not a big deal, they're only the representative of their party, not like a President. Whatever happens with Scotland Ireland and the whole process of Leave itself, there will be quite enough time to take in the full implications. So don't worry, there will be many many better explanations in the months and years to come.

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