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I read the news today (oh boy) - Current world events
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I don't think there's any way Trump is going to win. He's too controversial, and most people hate him. I've never met somebody who was actually in support of him. For a while I thought his whole campaign was just a joke.a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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I don't think there's any way Trump is going to win. He's too controversial, and most people hate him. I've never met somebody who was actually in support of him. For a while I thought his whole campaign was just a joke.a-hard-days-night-paul-10

He's been beating Rubio and Cruz in almost every state, including Michigan; the state with 56 delegates.

But it's still hard to tell.

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Though even if he wins, the republicans can still stop him from getting the republican nomination.

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It's certainly not looking impossible that Trump will get the 1,237 delegates needed to win on the first ballot. Should he reach that number, @Starr Shine?, how does the GOP stop him from becoming the nominee? From over here, it looks like the more outrageous he gets, the more popular he becomes with sections of the American. And it surely does help that as candidates drop out they endorse him.

@Evangeline, I don't know, have any of the other candidates for their parties nomination (Republican or Democrat) encouraged their supporters to violence against those who oppose them? If so, it's not being reported here. I certainly haven't heard Hillary or Bernie suggesting protesters should be punched by their supporters, and offering to pay their legal bills. Even after last night's dreadful scenes, he's been making accusations that the protesters are getting paid, and that "we have to fight back".

This is looking more and more like the most frightening and disturbing US election cycle I can remember viewing, and if Trump does get the nomination this is likely to be the most decisive Presidential election in modern history.

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It's certainly not looking impossible that Trump will get the 1,237 delegates needed to win on the first ballot. Should he reach that number, @Starr Shine?, how does the GOP stop him from becoming the nominee? From over here, it looks like the more outrageous he gets, the more popular he becomes with sections of the American. And it surely does help that as candidates drop out they endorse him.

@Evangeline, I don't know, have any of the other candidates for their parties nomination (Republican or Democrat) encouraged their supporters to violence against those who oppose them? If so, it's not being reported here. I certainly haven't heard Hillary or Bernie suggesting protesters should be punched by their supporters, and offering to pay their legal bills. Even after last night's dreadful scenes, he's been making accusations that the protesters are getting paid, and that "we have to fight back".

This is looking more and more like the most frightening and disturbing US election cycle I can remember viewing, and if Trump does get the nomination this is likely to be the most decisive Presidential election in modern history.

 I don't think Sanders amd Clinton have encouraged such a thing.

I meant in my last statement that they are no better or worse than Trump in my opinion. 

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I think there is a clear difference between how everybody else is conducting their campaigns, and how Trump is conducting.

How much trust and belief there is in the political class is a different thing altogether.

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As Ron said;

I havent seen any news of any other supporters generating so much hate towards others as Trump is by his language and reactions to the violence. It would be so easy for him to openly say its a totally unacceptable reaction by either side yet instead he comes out with excuses and volatile comments.

 

But then no doubt thats a conspiracy by every one else against Trump because they are not real Americans or even from America. blue-meanie

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I think there is a clear difference between how everybody else is conducting their campaigns, and how Trump is conducting.

How much trust and belief there is in the political class is a different thing altogether.

All the candidates are trying to win a certain group of people, Trump I think is going for the middle class, Clinton for the executive big wigs, and Sanders is trying to win the Millenials. And they attune their campaigns accordingly. 

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All the candidates are trying to win a certain group of people, Trump I think is going for the middle class, Clinton for the executive big wigs, and Sanders is trying to win the Millenials. And they attune their campaigns accordingly. 

Bernie said something interesting about the crowd Trump is going for: It's mostly the whites with low-income jobs who are afraid that they will lose them to people who will get paid even less. They are afraid and want to believe he will help them. Even though Trump was joking about paying for people's bills, some take this seriously. 

I know it might be dangerous to make this parallel, but didn't Hitler promise the Germans that he wouldn't let the Jews take over their jobs? It's not a Nazi condition, it's a human one.

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Evangeline said

All the candidates are trying to win a certain group of people, Trump I think is going for the middle class, Clinton for the executive big wigs, and Sanders is trying to win the Millenials. And they attune their campaigns accordingly. 

Bernie said something interesting about the crowd Trump is going for: It's the whites with low-income jobs who are afraid that they will lose them to people who will get paid even less. They are afraid and want to believe he will help them. Even though Trump was joking about paying for people's bills, some take this seriously. 

I know it might be dangerous to make this parallel, but didn't Hitler promise the Germans that he wouldn't let the Jews take over their jobs? It's not a Nazi condition, it's a human one.

Trump himself said something very similar, but more insulting, about his supporters. During his speech on the night of Super Tuesday, he went through the groups that he had won the vote in. I can't remember the exact line, but it was something like, "I won the under educated vote, I love the under educated." So, effectively, he was saying, "Stupid people vote for me, I love stupid people."

Nor is it a stretch to compare him to Hitler, though I'm not suggesting he would go down the same path, but talk of banning Muslims (including American Muslims) from entering the country, creating a register of Muslims in America, and putting a watch on all American Mosques, that's not far from Hitler's attitude to Germany's Jewish population.

This, among many other reasons, is why I think he is dangerous to American democracy.

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Knowing nothing about US politics if Trump became president yet the Democrats won most seats in the Senate(?) (which I believe is the opposite of what they currently have now) would Trump be able to get these proposals of his thru. Obama has wanted to get gun control tightened for years yet has failed but somehow pushed thru the health plan.

Please keep the answer simple, preferably treating me as having slightly more intelligence than a Trump voter as I do know not to vote for that prat.

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Knowing nothing about US politics if Trump became president yet the Democrats won most seats in the Senate(?) (which I believe is the opposite of what they currently have now) would Trump be able to get these proposals of his thru. Obama has wanted to get gun control tightened for years yet has failed but somehow pushed thru the health plan.

Please keep the answer simple, preferably treating me as having slightly more intelligence than a Trump voter as I do know not to vote for that prat.

It would be tougher, depends what the House of Representatives are.

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meanmistermustard said
Knowing nothing about US politics if Trump became president yet the Democrats won most seats in the Senate(?) (which I believe is the opposite of what they currently have now) would Trump be able to get these proposals of his thru. Obama has wanted to get gun control tightened for years yet has failed but somehow pushed thru the health plan.

Please keep the answer simple, preferably treating me as having slightly more intelligence than a Trump voter as I do know not to vote for that prat.

It would be tougher, depends what the House of Representatives are.

I agree in normal circumstances that would be true, but were Trump to be elected President, and have a Republican Congress and Senate, they may well not be willing to cooperate with him too much.

However, using the things I cited about how he would like America to treat Muslims, he could do all those using Executive Orders, which bypass Congress and the Senate, and then only the Supreme Court could overrule them for being unconstitutional.

Much to the chagrin of the Republican Congress and Senate, Obama did recently strengthen background checks on those buying guns using Executive Orders. Nothing like he wanted to achieve, just the bare minimum, all that he could do with his powers. Ultimately it will be tested in the Supreme Court or revoked by the next President (depending which comes first).

This is the real problem with the American political system, and why there is so much frustration about it among ordinary Americans, it has virtually a triple lock (President, Senate and Congress) which means nothing much really gets done. The Presidential veto can block many bills that the Congress and Senate agree on, while the Congress and/or Senate can block bills put forward by the President, including the budget.

It is often the example used here to cite the problems that an elected House of Lords might create. The American system is often in total deadlock.

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That's why a lot of dictatorships took over before WWII since democracy doesn't get as much done quickly.

 

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Between senators and congressmen, we would need 535 members. Joe would be president, obviously. I don't think we have nearly enough regulars and semi-regulars to fill Senate and Congress. 

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Between senators and congressmen, we would need 535 members. Joe would be president, obviously. I don't think we have nearly enough regulars and semi-regulars to fill Senate and Congress. 

We could solve this proportionally and calculate what % of people make up congress and apply it to the forum.

 

535/318,900,000 = 0.00000167764% of the population

0.00000167764 x 3376 = 0.00566371903 users

 

So for our Congress, we would have about .006 users on it.

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Between senators and congressmen, we would need 535 members. Joe would be president, obviously. I don't think we have nearly enough regulars and semi-regulars to fill Senate and Congress. 

We could solve this proportionally and calculate what % of people make up congress and apply it to the forum.

 

535/318,900,000 = 0.00000167764% of the population

0.00000167764 x 3376 = 0.00566371903 users

 

So for our Congress, we would have about .006 users on it.

So who do we dice up for the 0.006 of a user required.

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By rounding down.

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meanmistermustard said

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So for our Congress, we would have about .006 users on it.

So who do we dice up for the 0.006 of a user required.

Maybe Andy Griffith can lend some assistance in how fractions and/or ratios work...

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The whole .006 reminds me that none of our votes really count. The U.S. voting policies seem more like a Republic than democratic from that (but then again, I don't really know much about it).

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