Please consider registering
Guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed sp_TopicIcon
I read the news today (oh boy) - Current world events
8 December 2015
8.15am
Avatar
Starr Shine?
Waiting in the sky
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 16105
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

ahdn_paul_06 That reminds me of a scene from the West Wing

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

Brainwashed by RadiantCowbells.

If you can't log in and can't use the forum go here and someone will help you out.

8 December 2015
8.36am
Wigwam
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 1913
Member Since:
17 October 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Ron Nasty said

Well, why ever not? After all, history is full of examples of groups being picked out for unequal treatment under the law on the basis of race, religion, gender, sexuality or beliefs turning out hunky-dory for all.

I mean, there’s Hitler and the Jews… Oops! Wait . Not the best example.
There’s white South Africa and it’s treatment of it’s black population… Sorry! Another not so good one. I’ll get there though…
The Catholics and the Protestants…
The Protestants and the Catholics…
Europe and virtually every native population they encountered around the world…
Special mention going to their treatment of population of Africa sold into slavery…
The Israelis and the Palestinians…
McCarthy’s America and the Communists…
There’s African Christian countries currently jailing and condemning to death homosexuals…

Mmm, it’s trickier than I thought to find good examples of where it’s been good…

Hmm, how do you spot a Muslim? I mean, the ones you’d really want to stop, they’ve been known to lie about things. How do you tell the difference between secular, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu, Buddist, etc.?

Will I need to provide documentation to prove that I am not, have not been, and will never be a practising Muslim? What if my parents are Muslims?

 

Keep up the two wrongs make a right analogies, look up the US’ first treaty…..learn how to spell ‘Buddhists’ and consider that you only defeat the evils you so  predictably example, (as Thomas Jefferson understood), by confronting them……….

 

….I’m not making a direct comparison here, but it’s likely that well-intentioned devotees, like yourself, of the limp, downright daffy pontifications of PC thought  which I consider, (because it so often denies or leaves unspoken a truth), the most pernicious and dangerous doctrine since communism and fascism……  would certainly have written Churchill off and consigned him to the loony-bin.

……..Clutch at those pearls, brew-up another cuppa, calm down and have a Merry Christmas………While it’s still allowed.   

8 December 2015
10.05am
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@Wigwam You misunderstand me in many ways. While I disagree with Trump over distasteful and, ultimately, unworkable silly suggestions about how to respond to things as they are and keep populations safe, I’m not someone who doesn’t believe that terrorists should not be confronted.

I don’t believe you confront terrorists by discriminating against a group they might hide within. To implement such an order, America would need to break several parts of its constitution. It would also need to break multiple international agreements. The only thing that could change would be a growing resentment of America and the West from the Muslim community within it. Here’s something to think about, Labour’s next mayoral candidate for London, Sadiq Khan, is a Muslim. Are you suggesting that America will be safer from terrorism for banning Labour’s next London mayor from its shores?

And, in reality, the truth is that any terrorist posing a serious threat to America, would probably be entering the country under an assumed identity that denied their beliefs. How do you actually make such a stupid idea work?

And what do I mean by confronting terrorists? In the case of these particular scum, that would involve boots on the ground.

I remember Bono hours after the Enniskillen bombing saying, something like, “They talk about the glory of dying for the Revolution . They don’t talk about the glory of killing for the Revolution that the majority of people in my country don’t want…”

* [edit] paragraphs I missed about here… (see next post)

Something like that.

My point? Do I even have a point? I must have had a point to make when I wandered in here. I must have!!!! I know it’s here somewhere! It must be! It must be!

You do not confront these dangerous ideologies with walls and internment (which would be the next logical step, and already discussed by Trump). You just create more converts as they see themselves treated unfairly.

Just not a great idea, imo. Confront the terrorists, put boots on the ground, but don’t tar innocent people with the same stain as scum.

The following people thank Ron Nasty for this post:

Beatlebug, Wigwam

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

8 December 2015
10.36am
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

* [edit] paragraphs I missed about there… (see last post)

These scum don’t talk of dying for their Revolution , they talk about killing, and delight in showing their barbaric methods. There’s no discussion to be had here. You just take these evil people out.

But you do not assume every Muslim is an extremist, no more than every person who calls themself an American Christian is an abortion clinic bomber.

The following people thank Ron Nasty for this post:

Beatlebug

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

8 December 2015
2.57pm
Avatar
Zig
The Toppermost of the Poppermost
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 9832
Member Since:
14 April 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
925sp_Permalink sp_Print

ewe2 said
[snip] …the reason for leadership is becoming disconnected from leadership itself, and is more to do with having the spotlight and the money and setting up for the post-political career payoff.

 

[Snip]… the common denominator is very real greed and indifference to their duty of care.

@ewe2 , you should be sued for plagiarism because I looked up “Donald Trump” in the encyclopedia and both of those sentences are in his description. a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

Anyone who believes Trump really wants to ban any further immigration of Muslims into the US, please PM me. I own the rights to the Statue of Liberty and will gladly sell the dear old girl to the highest bidder.

The guy is a con man simply trying to garner approval and/or votes from the ignorant and vengeful. Debating the pros and cons of his ideas on this is moot.

The following people thank Zig for this post:

ewe2, Joe

To the fountain of perpetual mirth, let it roll for all its worth. And all the children boogie.

8 December 2015
3.26pm
Avatar
ewe2
Inside the beat
Rishikesh
Members
Forum Posts: 3025
Member Since:
8 January 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
926sp_Permalink sp_Print

Heh I promise I didn’t even look it up, it’s just what I think. Trump makes these statements and promises because they’re easy. Easy to say, easy to hear and completely useless and in fact counter-effective. Anyone with half a brain or basic history knowledge knows how useless it is and how dangerous. But these people feel immune to any consequence, and by and large will remain immune, which is why they also never learn from experience. Everyone else has to learn, and learn fast.

I'm like Necko only I'm a bassist ukulele guitar synthesizer kazoo penguin and also everyone. Or is everyone me? Now I'm a confused bassist ukulele guitar synthesizer kazoo penguin everyone who is definitely not @Joe.  This has been true for 2016 & 2017 Sig-Badge.png but I may have to get more specific in the future.

aus-flag-v-small.png

8 December 2015
4.09pm
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Thankfully not where I am.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators
Forum Posts: 24950
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
927sp_Permalink sp_Print

Would it easier to let Trump speak for an hour and show himself to be the idiot that he is or is there a section of Americans who would really buy into what he says? 

In the UK for a while UKIP with Nigel Farage was on the up in popularity and votes, he was exposed for the idiot he was the more airtime he was given and now they are on the decline. Same can be said for the BNP years ago.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris)

8 December 2015
4.37pm
Avatar
Zig
The Toppermost of the Poppermost
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 9832
Member Since:
14 April 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
928sp_Permalink sp_Print

meanmistermustard said
Would it easier to let Trump speak for an hour and show himself to be the idiot that he is or is there a section of Americans who would really buy into what he says? 
 

Sadly, the answer to both questions is “yes”.

The following people thank Zig for this post:

ewe2, Beatlebug

To the fountain of perpetual mirth, let it roll for all its worth. And all the children boogie.

8 December 2015
4.40pm
Avatar
ewe2
Inside the beat
Rishikesh
Members
Forum Posts: 3025
Member Since:
8 January 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
929sp_Permalink sp_Print

Unfortunately the US is a good deal more polarized than the UK and there is a sizeable chunk of the Republican vote who will follow Trump and therefore can’t be ignored, no matter how idiotic or long a speech from him. There’s a big contrarian factor in it as well which plays on the underdog theme, something also true for UKIP which has had more success than is comfortable.

That said, if Trump wasn’t as religiously neutral as he’s played it, he would have even greater success, but the Christian Right are suspicious and would much rather have one of the more official GOP candidates in their pocket than him. But it hasn’t come to an outright choice for them or many others yet.

I'm like Necko only I'm a bassist ukulele guitar synthesizer kazoo penguin and also everyone. Or is everyone me? Now I'm a confused bassist ukulele guitar synthesizer kazoo penguin everyone who is definitely not @Joe.  This has been true for 2016 & 2017 Sig-Badge.png but I may have to get more specific in the future.

aus-flag-v-small.png

8 December 2015
4.56pm
Avatar
Zig
The Toppermost of the Poppermost
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 9832
Member Since:
14 April 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
930sp_Permalink sp_Print

The saddest part, to me, is that there is no longer the want for either party to put forth the best person for the job. Instead, each party spews out the Ken or Barbie they feel would have the best chance of getting elected. My fear is that eventually they will throw up supermodels as candidates instead of real politicians. I can hear the campaign slogan now.

“Vote for Lars Handsomely!!! (*whisper* by Calvin Klein)”

The following people thank Zig for this post:

Beatlebug, Necko

To the fountain of perpetual mirth, let it roll for all its worth. And all the children boogie.

8 December 2015
7.30pm
Wigwam
Candlestick Park
Members
Forum Posts: 1913
Member Since:
17 October 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
931sp_Permalink sp_Print

Ron Nasty said
* [edit] paragraphs I missed about there… (see last post)

These scum don’t talk of dying for their Revolution , they talk about killing, and delight in showing their barbaric methods. There’s no discussion to be had here. You just take these evil people out.

But you do not assume every Muslim is an extremist, no more than every person who calls themself an American Christian is an abortion clinic bomber.

Redundant agreement there of course……  Trump will have scuppered his chances now…….and if not now, he will later. 

I don’t want to get into how we deal with the radical muslim terrorist threat, (unless you want to) except to say we didn’t ban or even turn on all the Irish when we defeated the IRA.

But I repeat,  I like Trump……..I see that he has two functions:

1- Make the other candidates look better.
2- Ask the questions many people want answers to that neither side of the aisle has the guts to ask.

 

If I was eligible to vote and forced to chose between Trump or that blatant liar HRC…….??? I’d er….? …….er?…..

 

………I’d vote to bring back the Monarchy….. We’ve got Charles, who’s been warming his arse on the Sub’s Bench for 60 odd years. The US could have him, he wouldn’t be missed.   He wouldn’t be better but couldn’t be worse!……….. Could he? 

9 December 2015
10.21am
Avatar
Zig
The Toppermost of the Poppermost
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 9832
Member Since:
14 April 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
932sp_Permalink sp_Print

@Wigwam  said 

If I was eligible to vote and forced to chose between Trump or that blatant liar HRC…….??? I’d er….? …….er?…..
 
  

God help us if those are the choices next November. Is there any room on your property for two more adults, a horse and a dog?

To the fountain of perpetual mirth, let it roll for all its worth. And all the children boogie.

9 December 2015
1.57pm
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Thankfully not where I am.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators
Forum Posts: 24950
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Sometimes what someone says makes your eyes roll out your head and continue out the house and down the street. Ignoring everything else spoken be her, Michele Fiore, a Nevada Assemblywoman, has said in an interview on BBC Radio 5 Live that “a firearm in a Christmas box wrapped in a Christmas wrapping is a fabulous gift“. Not sure how I’d feign delight receiving that as a gift. Out of interest would it come with ammunition or would you have to buy them separately?

Michelle Fiore has made headlines for her family Christmas card (below) as she thinks guns get a bad press and deserve to be seen in a more positive light.

fiore-christmas-card-guns.jpgImage Enlarger

The following people thank meanmistermustard for this post:

Wigwam

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris)

9 December 2015
4.15pm
Avatar
Beatlebug
Find me where ye echo lays
Moderator

Moderators
Forum Posts: 18181
Member Since:
15 February 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
934sp_Permalink sp_Print

I’m sorry, but bad press or no, that just looks wrong to me. Juxtaposing people holding guns and people holding babies–weird! 

([{BRACKETS!}])
New to Forumpool? You can introduce yourself here.
If you love The Beatles Bible, and you have adblock, don't forget to white-list this site!
whiteheart.png
avatar_creative_signature_Hmm.pngStarSpangledBanner.png

10 December 2015
10.56am
Avatar
Zig
The Toppermost of the Poppermost
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 9832
Member Since:
14 April 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
935sp_Permalink sp_Print

A political reporter from Boston responds to Trump in hilarious fashion.

From the article:

Following Donald Trump’s call for a nationwide ban on accepting Muslim immigrants, one local political writer started a petition on Change.org, calling for Trump to prove that he in not a Muslim.

David S. Bernstein, a writer for Boston magazine and WGBH, called on Trump Wednesday to prove his non-Muslim allegiance. 

“Donald Trump says Muslims — including U.S. citizens traveling abroad — should not be allowed back into the United States,” Bernstein wrote. “Since he will reportedly travel abroad later this month, how do we know if it is safe to let him return? We need him to provide clear, positive evidence that he is not a Muslim.”

Love it.

The following people thank Zig for this post:

Beatlebug, natureaker

To the fountain of perpetual mirth, let it roll for all its worth. And all the children boogie.

10 December 2015
3.08pm
Avatar
AppleScruffJunior
Sitting here doing nothing but procrastinating...
Apple rooftop
Reviewers

Members
Forum Posts: 7583
Member Since:
18 March 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
936sp_Permalink sp_Print

Zig said

@Wigwam  said 
If I was eligible to vote and forced to chose between Trump or that blatant liar HRC…….??? I’d er….? …….er?…..
 
  

God help us if those are the choices next November. Is there any room on your property for two more adults, a horse and a dog?

I’ll take ya but I’ll keep the dog- t’is my Zog now.

 

Donald Trump got attacked by a bald eagle during a photoshoot for Time- I mean even the national bird and one of the most famous symbols of the U.S doesn’t like Trump- that says something.

 

The following people thank AppleScruffJunior for this post:

Beatlebug, natureaker, Wigwam

 

INTROVERTS UNITE! Separately....in your own homes!

                 ***

Make Love, Not Wardrobes!

                ***

"Stop throwing jelly beans at me"- George Harrison

10 December 2015
5.05pm
Avatar
Joe
Pepperland
Admin
Forum Posts: 5691
Member Since:
31 March 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
937sp_Permalink sp_Print

Zig said

@Wigwam  said 
If I was eligible to vote and forced to chose between Trump or that blatant liar HRC…….??? I’d er….? …….er?…..
 
  

God help us if those are the choices next November. Is there any room on your property for two more adults, a horse and a dog?

Does Bernie Sanders have any hope of getting the Democrat nomination? I very much like what I’ve heard of him, but I’ve no idea what his level of popular support is, beyond certain online echo chambers like /r/sandersforpresident. It’d be good to hear forumites’ perspectives.

Can buy me love! Please consider supporting the Beatles Bible on Amazon
Or buy my paperback/ebook! Riding So High – The Beatles and Drugs

Don't miss The Bowie Bible – now live!

10 December 2015
5.18pm
Avatar
Zig
The Toppermost of the Poppermost
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 9832
Member Since:
14 April 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
938sp_Permalink sp_Print

The latest polls (FWIW) show Hillary at about 55% and Bernie at 31%. The election is still 11 months away though – plenty of time for her to say something stupid, although maybe not at epic proportions like Trump.

To the fountain of perpetual mirth, let it roll for all its worth. And all the children boogie.

10 December 2015
5.19pm
Avatar
Expert Textpert
In bed.
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 5011
Member Since:
18 April 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
939sp_Permalink sp_Print

Sanders has a lot of support from the public but Clinton has done a lot to rig the system in her favor. Also, the corporate-owned media does everything it can to downplay Sanders’ success. For instance, there was a TIME magazine poll to choose contestants for “person of the year.” Sanders won by a large margin but they put Trump, who barely got any votes, in his place.

"If you're ever in the shit, grab my tit.” —Paul McCartney 

10 December 2015
5.22pm
Avatar
AppleScruffJunior
Sitting here doing nothing but procrastinating...
Apple rooftop
Reviewers

Members
Forum Posts: 7583
Member Since:
18 March 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

AppleScruffJunior said

VIDEO LINK SNIP

 

At 13 seconds, the eagle’s carer touches Trump’s hair in an effort to smooth it- and Trump’s hair moves very weirdly and not naturally so…..toupée, wig? Who knows!

The following people thank AppleScruffJunior for this post:

natureaker

 

INTROVERTS UNITE! Separately....in your own homes!

                 ***

Make Love, Not Wardrobes!

                ***

"Stop throwing jelly beans at me"- George Harrison

Forum Timezone: Europe/London
Most Users Ever Online: 700
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 1
Top Posters:
Starr Shine?: 16105
Ron Nasty: 12534
Zig: 9832
50yearslate: 8759
Necko: 8043
AppleScruffJunior: 7583
parlance: 7111
mr. Sun king coming together: 6402
Mr. Kite: 6147
trcanberra: 6064
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 88
Members: 2859
Moderators: 5
Admins: 1
Forum Stats:
Groups: 3
Forums: 44
Topics: 5510
Posts: 380341
Newest Members:
frankc, viv@nelsontraining.co.uk, bornhairyman, frankkilmore123@gmail.com, onlyanorthernsong
Moderators: Joe: 5691, meanmistermustard: 24950, Ahhh Girl: 22213, Beatlebug: 18181, The Hole Got Fixed: 8410
Administrators: Joe: 5691