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I read the news today (oh boy) - Current world events
10 December 2019
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There's another election already? Boris hasn't even spent 5 months in office and it's already time for another election, that's fast.

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There's another election already? Boris hasn't even spent 5 months in office and it's already time for another election, that's fast.

  

Boris became PM thru Tory closed votes as he succeeded Mrs May who stepped down as she had no support from her own party. Boris then tried to force Brexit thru, failed numerous times and eventually had to go to the polls as parliament is gridlocked due to their minority government (May’s fault, she was an idiot and gambled it away when no need to); they need backing from others to get stuff approved and originally the DUP party agreed (let’s ignore the reasons why) but at the end they wouldn’t as they didn’t like or trust the Brexit deal or the Conservatives when they spoke. 

So on Thursday the conservatives hope they get a majority government so Brexit can be shoved thru as they want. Labour, if any use, might have been able to mount a serious challenge but most of them hate Jeremy, their leader, and their Brexit stance is the most stupidest, once you finally understand it (many in Labour can not explain it coherently and I doubt most know what it actually is), after only the Lib Dems who just want to pretend Brexit was never voted for in the first place. 

Scotland voted against Brexit so we have a legitimate reason to hate what’s going on, plus we despise the Conservatives and Boris and feel we are the King’s illegitimate unwanted offspring to Westminster, so want a second Independence referendum to get finally away from it all. But we need Labour to get a minority government to get the referendum as we would make a deal to back them into power, and they are basically offering free nationalised unicorns to everyone if we vote for them (Labour or the unicorns, it doesn’t really matter). 
 
Meanwhile the Brexit party is led by the rancid Nigel Farage. A man as vile as Donald Trump but with none of the power, money or ability to be elected. 

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Boris became Prime Minister due to an internal Conservative Party vote for a new leader, and ended up leading a minority Government because he fell out with the DUP (Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party) over his "new" Brexit deal (95% May's old deal with Ireland taking one up the rear as he puts in a border between NI and the rest of the UK) and sacked a bunch of Conservatives who didn't agree with him, leaving him with a majority of -41 or something.

This is General Election, we all get to vote on who is in Government. My last MP resigned from Boris's cabinet over his approach to Brexit and whether he could be trusted, and has stood down from politics. My last MP was Jo Johnson, Boris's younger brother.

Where I am will probably vote Tory as it usually does, though we voted Remain, and the Liberals taking Orpington has been a story before, so it'll be a tactical Lib Dem vote from me as Labour don't have have a hope in hell and Corbyn is a well-meaning disaster.

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It's very interesting to read y'all's comments on British politics because I'm learning so much. As an American, what's going on in British current events politics-wise has always kind of confused me (especially Brexit) no matter how much Last Week Tonight with John Oliver I watch. This thread keeps me educated. 

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meanmistermustard said
The one positive is seeing Nigel Farage reminding everyone on a large scale he's a very horrid person. Give nasty people with hideous views airtime and they will show themselves up for what they are.  

This sort of thing is why I'm such a champion of free speech ahdn_john_08_gif

Also, @lovelyritametermaid, I would encourage you to seek out more than just this thread if you really want to get a full picture of UK politics. Not to shade anyone here, but we all have our perspectives and most of those here are left-wing, so, y'know, balance mccartney-shrug_01_gif

As an American I take some pride in not being the typical sort of self-absorbed American who doesn't know much about other countries -- I mean, of course the US is the best country EVAHHHH but other countries exist and are interesting too. a-hard-days-night-john-6 However, since I don't have a dog in the fight, I haven't really formed a strong educated opinion that I'm willing to express and defend.

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Thinking about UK elections

United States
435 # in House of Representatives
Population: 329 million
Area: 3.797 million mi²

United Kingdom
650 Members of Parliament
Population: 67.5 million
Area: 93,628 mi²

Why does the UK have so many more Members of Parliament than the US has representative in the House of Representatives?

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Hmm, interesting. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the US has state-level as well as federal government, therefore the federal government is supposed to be more limited (at least in theory).

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Ahhh Girl said 
Why does the UK have so many more Members of Parliament than the US has representative in the House of Representatives?

  

This question actually intrigues me: Why does the UK have more MPs than the US does Reps? I have attempted to research this. Nothing gave me a straightforward answer that directly answers the question, but I did find this article that sort of relates to the topic and can give us some insight. 

Apparently, according to the article, the U.S. has the largest representation ratio among OECD nations and that since America was founded, the people per rep ratio has "grown dramatically." This is because the population has continued to grow and grow, but since the number of reps has been "capped" at 435 in 1929, the number of reps has to stay the same since then despite the fact that we have a very large population. (If that makes sense?)mccartney-shrug_01_gif

So, even though the amount of representatives is supposed to be based on the state population; in reality, the number of reps doesn't change according to population and therefore population becomes a kind of mute factor. Which is kind of weird considering just how many people there are to represent? 

The last paragraph is the of the article is the one that I found the most intriguing: 

"Even if Congress decided to expand the size of the House, the large U.S. population puts some practical limits on how much the representation ratio could be lowered. If the House were to grow as large as the Bundestag, for instance, the ratio would fall only to one representative per 458,428 people. In order to reduce the ratio to where it was after the 1930 census, the House would need to have 1,156 members. (That would still be smaller than China’s National People’s Congress, the largest national legislature in the world with 2,980 members.)" 

Sooooooo, the U.S. should, in theory, have more people in the House of Reps than the MPs in Parliament; however, America said "naw" and decided in 1929 the 435 was enough despite the fact that we have 329 million people to represent effectively. 

 

It's wack. And I also probably should've studied for chemistry instead of putting so much time and effort into this, but no regrets. 

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Hmm, interesting. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the US has state-level as well as federal government, therefore the federal government is supposed to be more limited (at least in theory).

  

Sounds plausible to me.

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Beatlebug said

Hmm, interesting. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the US has state-level as well as federal government, therefore the federal government is supposed to be more limited (at least in theory).

  

Sounds plausible to me.

  

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I suppose having less people making the decisions also makes the decision-making process a bit less rocky... wonder if it’s worth it ahdn_george_01

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In regards to the question about why the US has so few representatives compared to the UK, remember that the US had far fewer states and a far smaller population when it was originally founded, and since at the beginning they were so anti-government they probably had not a lot of representatives back then either, something that has probably been amplified by the increase in size. 

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Well, the exit polls are in...

God help us all. A predicted 86 seat majority for the Tories..

 

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The Exit Poll:

Conservatives: 368
Labour: 191
SNP 55
Liberal Democrats: 13
Plaid Cymru: 3
Green: 1
Brexit Party: 0
Other: 19
The Conservatives gaining 50 seats, the SNP 20, and Labour loses 71 seats in its biggest defeat in modern times (even Michael Foot back in '83, Labour's darkest days, didn't drop below 200 hundred seats). Worst Labour result since 1935 if the Exit Poll proves right.
 
Difficult to see how Corbyn can survive if this poll is anywhere near right.
 
 

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What a joke, who are these idiots voting Tory? Crimes rates up, poverty rates up, overworked NHS staff, people being treated like dirt because they happen to be unemployed- and the populace go "yeah, they seem good". Anyone who supports Brexit is a fool, you're restricting your own personal freedoms, fecking up your job opportunities, your future, probably your children's future and good chance your grandchildren's future. Congratulations, you tosspots. 

And because my country is so bloody dependent on your country and I'm graduating from college this year, I'm bloody ecstatic about my future.

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Well, time to drink myself into a stupor, and tomorrow the fight will continue. 

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And so it begins, Blyth Valley, former mining area destroyed by Thatcher in the '80s, Labour since 1950, is now Conservative.

The bloodbath hath commenced.

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What a joke, who are these idiots voting Tory? Crimes rates up, poverty rates up, overworked NHS staff, people being treated like dirt because they happen to be unemployed- and the populace go "yeah, they seem good". Anyone who supports Brexit is a fool, you're restricting your own personal freedoms, fecking up your job opportunities, your future, probably your children's future and good chance your grandchildren's future. Congratulations, you tosspots. 

And because my country is so bloody dependent on your country and I'm graduating from college this year, I'm bloody ecstatic about my future.

  

The alternative is Corbyn and so many people hate him, everything he says and his stance on and handling of antisemitism in the party. In 2017 he came across as offering something different in politics but two years later he is seen as horrid and un-electable in so many ways, by not only the public but so many in the Labour party. Their manifesto is insane in regards to spending where if it sounded good they would shove it in and when asked makeup words and mumble thru their explanations of how to pay for it; their Brexit position confusing especially Corbyn's which was just pathetic. The Conservatives may be horrendous and we are going to be fucked as a country (as well as a world with Trump likely to get re-elected) but at least they had a coherent message and an end to Brexit which bored and frustrated so many by the end.

 

The big thing for me is the projected SNP results with big gains, tho some saying it won't be as many as 55. We hate Boris, we hate the Conservatives, we are getting pulled out of the EU completely against our will, and we feel incredibly strongly that we are constantly screwed over and almost ignored by Westminster. More than ever we will, therefore, want a say on getting out and going it alone. With the Tories continually deny us another referendum?

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Allegations of people illegally voting by saying they are someone they are not in three Scottish constituencies; Glasgow, Paisley and Stirling. Got to love Scotland.

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