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I read the news today (oh boy) - Current world events
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The Texas two-shooter ongoing incident actually appear to be two separate (though probably connected) incidents, from different vehicles, in the towns of Odessa and Midland (about 20 miles apart).

It has been reported that the Midland shooter is in custody by some sources, and that the Odessa shooter is still at large.

I'll never understand those who believe the 2nd Amendment is something to be proud of when loose gun laws take so many lives with legal weapons week after week.

Early reports suggest at least 20 shot and 1 dead.

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Ron Nasty said
I'll never understand those who believe the 2nd Amendment is something to be proud of when loose gun laws take so many lives with legal weapons week after week.

Well, maybe if you tried to understand, you would, but I really don't see why we need to drag up the gun control arguments again and again after every shooting here, at any rate mccartney-shrug_01_gif

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@Ron Nasty Times were much different back then.

We didn't have body cams or abundant supplies of crops (the quality and quantity of crops depended on where you lived) or phones to call 911 when someone breaks into your house, nor did we have the Geneva conventions and the United Nations to say what rulers can and can't do. Back then, you were pretty much the king's bitch so making it a constitutional right to own a firearm seemed like a good idea back in 1787 because at the time, that was the best safety precaution out there.

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That was just a comment in passing, @Beatlebug, not really a raising of the arguments for more gun control in the US. Perfectly happy to go into the arguments for increased gun control though, should you want.

It is strange how you'd prefer it if people here didn't discuss aspects of America - gun control, Trump, etc. - where you find your views and opinions in the minority among Forumpudlians.

Not a great fan of the First Amendment, I take it?

Why would American gun laws be of interest to anyone on a Beatles forum?

I wonder... Could it have anything to do with the fact that the founder of a group many of us here are quite fond of was gunned down on the streets of New York very nearly forty years ago, and that he was gunned down by a man with a history of mental illness who was still able to legally purchase a gun, and that the only thing that's changed in those forty years is that someone like John's killer can now legally purchase more powerful weapons.

The murder of John Lennon on the streets of New York with a legally purchased weapon is why America's gun control laws, or lack of them, will always be a valid subject on a Beatles forum, and why they might be referenced in passing at the news of more senseless loss of life.

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What I was really referring to, @Dark Overlord, was about how the Second Amendment is still the battlecry for those who reject tighter gun controls - despite all the ways in which the world has changed in centuries since it was written, as you point out, including how powerful those weapons are.

A founding principle that was written for muskets is now held up as inviolable and is used as the defense for the legal availability of an AR-15.

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Found this article today

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It's kind of odd when you look at that list of aging rocks stars that they don't even mention some of the original rockers who are still with us like Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Don Everly Not sure if any of the Crickets are alive? The Isleys?

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@Ron Nasty I don't think Beatlebug is trying to silence anyone, she just doesn't like how frequently this issue is brought up.

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I recognise that the gun genie is out of the bottle.......more guns than people legally owned in the US 

If I was American I'd vote for the 2nd Amendment rights but also for greater controls......

Greater controls would at worst mean the vast majority of decent law-abiding Americans like me would only face some extra delay......Anyone with significant mental disorders or felons convicted of certain classes of crimes should face a brick wall and if they circumvented those rules to get hold of a gun that in itself would be committing a serious crime.

I put myself in the position that I'm a good guy..I obey laws.... Any law that took my gun away would likely be effective.......But those same laws that I would obey would be completely and pretty easily ignored by the bad guys.......Disarming the guys with the white stetsons and leaving guns in the hands of the guys wearing the  black stetsons leaving me at their mercy isn't an attractive proposition.....Bear in mind:

"Gun Owners of America states that armed citizens kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year, 1,527 to 606. GOA also said that: “Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8 percent of the time, a citizen kills or wounds his/her attacker.”

 Also consider.....36 people died from gunshot in Dem' controlled Chicago this weekend.....All black.....The left/anti first Amendment crowd don't appear to attach the same degree of heartbreak and concern to that.....Only the Texas shootings made the news...Perhaps it fits their narrative better.

Consider many of the famous mass shootings took place in States where gun controls were strict .....most of those shootings the gunmen broke several laws before they fired a single shot......And the rules didn't prevent anything.

 

As I said at the beginning the genie is out of the bottle......That being the case it is not a simple question..It can't be answered simply. As a good guy I'd want to keep my right to own a gun.

A blanket ban is simply not going to happen, it shouldn't either.......

Tougher controls will help but will be unlikely to stop mass shootings completely.

 

There are pluses and minus' to the 2nd Amendment ........In a Mexican stand-off....disarming the good guy is unlikely to end well.

 

 

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@Ron Nasty said
That was just a comment in passing, Beatlebug, not really a raising of the arguments for more gun control in the US. Perfectly happy to go into the arguments for increased gun control though, should you want.

Very well, fair enough, and I'd really rather not, although I will address your post to clear some things up.

It is strange how you'd prefer it if people here didn't discuss aspects of America - gun control, Trump, etc. - where you find your views and opinions in the minority among Forumpudlians.

Not a great fan of the First Amendment, I take it?

*deep, tongue-biting breath*

Oh, stuff it. You can say whatever you like, and I'm allowed to criticize both your speech and your decision to say it. That's what the First Amendment is about -- not that you'd know, being a citizen of a country in which stupid jokes can be a jailable offense. I'm probably the most pro-free-speech moderator here (not that the others are particularly inclined to censorship or anything -- don't worry y'all). I'm not trying to shut anyone down by any means, but....

Why would American gun laws be of interest to anyone on a Beatles forum?

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...is this really a productive discussion to have? Don't get me wrong, you are perfectly free to have it If You Wanna -- once again, I am not trying to shut anyone down, but I just know it's gonna go in the same old circles that it does every time it comes up and I am frankly beyond tired of it. This problem is not unique to this forum, either, I just happened to vent my frustration here.

I'm feeling kind of caught between the devil and the deep blue sea here: on one hand I wanna go in tooth and nail to defend the principles I believe in, but on the other hand I just can't be bothered because it ends up devolving into so pointless a discussion, and so I end up saying nothing 80% of the time until finally I do say something and then get dragged into a long-running defense of some offhand comment I made out of vexation. a-hard-days-night-paul-7a-hard-days-night-paul-10a-hard-days-night-ringo-14 I don't know about you, but my idea of a nice afternoon's browse of the forum really doesn't include getting into vigorous debates where I feel like I have to mentally steel myself to put forth steel-reinforced arguments to defend my positions. That's simply not what I come here to do. I come here to prattle about the Beatles song I heard in the shop, saving the Beatles Bible House from Fiddy's and Walrian's hijinks, and how I'm not listening to Abbey Road for six months because anniversarism. I think most people can understand that. mccartney-shrug_01_gif

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Boris Johnson got up to make his first statement to the House of Commons as Prime Minister, and as he did so, Conservative MP Phillip Lee got up from the Government benches and crossed the floor of the House to the Opposition benches, defecting to the Liberal Democrats.

Johnson's Conservatives, with the DUP votes, had a majority (though in name only) of one. He now no longer has a working majority.

A General Election moves closer.

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Boris loses vote, MP's take control of the order of the House tomorrow to motion their bill, Boris signals intent to motion for General Election, all 21 rebel Tory's lose whip and are booted out of the party. 

Isn't it fun to see all this go on? I've gone from interest to annoyance to extreme boredom to deep amusement at the utter chaos that may never be concluded. 

The last PM to lose their first vote in the HoC was in the late 1700's.

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It should be mentioned that among those being booted out of the Tory party are Ken Clarke, Father of the House (honorary title given to the longest serving MP, Chancellor of the Exchequer under Thatcher); Philip Hammond (Theresa May's Chancellor); Dominic Grieve (former Justice Secretary); Rory Stewart (International Development minister); Nicolas Soames, the grandson of Winston Churchill ffs!!!

Many of the 21 Boris is expelling from the party are among the most prominent names in the party.

Even with the DUP votes, Boris is now 20 votes short of a majority.

So, now he's asking for a General Election.

Only thing is, David Cameron bought in mandatory term-lengths, and a Prime Minister can no longer just call an early election when it suits them. Under the Fixed-Terms Parliament Act, he needs two-thirds of MPs to agree with his request for an early election.

The opposition are saying they will not vote for a General Election until the UK not leaving on a no-deal Brexit on 31 October as they don't trust Johnson.

So, he now leads a minority Government, and getting a General Election is far from straight-forward.

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Corbyn says he wants no-deal taken off the table, and then a general election. For once, I think Corbyn's policy is coming together to actually make sense. 

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QuarryMan said
Corbyn says he wants no-deal taken off the table, and then a general election. For once, I think Corbyn's policy is coming together to actually make sense. 

  

That's a move that's likely to work in Corbyn's favour. It's a move that Boris can't really refuse - Boris, I think, is the kind of guy who would want to restore his majority. The issue he'll have is that while Corbyn is likely to lose seats, he's just as likely to lose even more, as I can see a slewth of independants (the kicked out MPs) and other parties (lib dem, SNP, Greens etc) getting a much higher vote. SNP lost a lot of seats at the last election, I'd have to imagine they'd regain a few of them.

An election again would be a very interesting experiment. I feel like a lot of people are getting fed up with the two-party politics, but what that translates to would be very interesting.

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There are problems with the position of the Rebel Alliance, @QuarryMan.

Let's say Boris decides to let go through the Bill being put forward tomorrow to prevent a No-Deal Brexit to get his General Election on the 15 October (14 October was his first choice of suggested date, but people spotted that was a Jewish religious holiday).

First problem, once given the right to call an election, he could change the date, making it after 31 October, and having no Government in place for the European Summit on 17-18 October to ask for an extension.

Second, and equally as dangerous, assuming he goes for the strongly rumoured 15 October date, and that the No No-Deal Brexit Bill has been passed into law to the satisfaction of the Rebel Alliance.

The outcome of any election before Brexit is unpredictable but it is possible he could get a majority, his rhetoric attracting back many who have voted for Farage's Brexit Party, gaining some Labour seats in the North, not losing too many seats in Scotland.

A previous Parliament cannot bind the hands of a new Government, and should he have a majority, he could make the first act of his Government to repeal the prohibition against No-Deal put in place by the previous Parliament, allowing us to exit with no deal on the 31st, but leaving no time for those against No-Deal to again reject a No-Deal, assuming they still had the numbers after an election.

A General Election before 31 October is a huge gamble for those against No-Deal.

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Early yesterday I applied for a postal vote.....

I expect a General Election soon.......A GE may not even be decisive and then another Referendum may appear on the horizon..I intend to vote in either or both.

All I can do is vote and encourage everyone I know to do the same.

I don't find anything amusing or entertaining about the division in my country and what has been so far a successful strategy of dither and delay carried out by essentially un...democratic hypocrites seated in parliament...... our departure which should have happened last March hasn't  ..... so kudos to them. 

All I feel is a cold anger and a determination to do the little I can by voting and encouraging everyone I know to vote....

I'm at an age where every day subtracts more from less.......All I can do is vote and keep my faith in the democratic process. I will accept the result however the numbers stack.

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Hong Kong is still in turmoil:

I'm troubled by the violence, but I also appreciate that the citizens are deeply desperate and pretty much between the devil (their own government) and the deep blue sea (China). I don't know that there's much hope for them at this point, Chinese takeover is inevitable and even if they do succeed now, it will only be buying time; I feel like they're carrying out Dylan Thomas's advice to 'rage at the dying of the light'.

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It would be wonderful if the lesson this teaches us was truly understood by more of the UK's and the US' youth and some on this board......It demonstrates to our youth how precious democracy actually is to the young of Hong Kong......

I feel I'm often written off here at least in part because I'm from an older generation. My concerns for their generation don't signify.....But take a look at the barricades  .... it's not old farts of my age on the streets in Hong Kong it's young men and women who are fighting for self-determination and resisting bravely however they can what they know would be the death knell of socialism/communism on their wishes, aspirations.......and happiness. 

 

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